Love and Logic Workshop/Books

Love and Logic is pretty great. It is one of my favoritwe 'go to' parenting books and principles. I don't think that the consequences are harsh, rather that parents are more concerned with have a nice relationship with their kids and being friends rather than teach them correct principles and consequences.

good luck!

I have taken the classes twice and loved each and every minute of them. Kids get told so many times that such and such will happen if they don't do this or that and they start not believing you.

For instance, how many times have we told the kids to keep their shoes on in the vehicle? I have done that so many times it's crazy. My oldest granddaughter was about 3 and would take her shoes off each and every time we got in the van. She would throw them every where so when getting out it was a seek and find mission for sometimes half an hour. I realized one day she did not believe me when I said her feet would get cold in the snow if she didn't have her shoes on.

So, I plopped her down barefoot on the snow, she started screaming and trying to climb up my leg immed. It was not a frigid day but a sunshiny one where the snow was beginning to melt. I made her walk up the driveway barefoot. She did not get frostbite, she did not turn blue, she had zero lasting damage from doing this. She has never taken her shoes off in the van again. for 4 years.

I think that is a logical consequence to taking off her shoes. There are many ways they teach you to deal with misbehavior. The child getting to experience the LOGICAL outcome of their actions is preparing them to be smart and functional adults. Take the classes then decide what you want to use from it.

Yes, I attended a workshop many years ago when I had a foster child. The workshop was geared towards fostering. I've read many of their books. I don't understand where the criticism of being too harsh comes from. Many parents take awhile to even realize that the consequences are "harsh" enough. The idea is to have natural or logical consequences: consequences that fit the misbehavior. The goal is to teach rather than punish.

I'm guessing that there is some info in the books about how the philosophy was started. They had/have a residential treatment facility for children with attachment disorders. Their methods in this facility do seem very harsh. However, they've shown success in turning these kids around so that they are able to make a connection with their care givers.

I try to follow Love and Logic principals and have found that they work. In reality I use several parenting methods, but Love and Logic seem to be the most successful to me. It did take me several weeks to be able to understand the process before I started seeing results.

I highly recommend attending a workshop.

WE love love and logic!

We have taken the classes and I think that doing so is a must for learning how to use their techniques correctly.

They do them at Community Colleges/Tech schools...Some Churches will run classes...This is where we took ours.

they range from $65 on up for the class... and ours ran I think 8 weeks once a week.

The books are good...If you are a visual learning or a do it yourself learner...I find that they can be a little hard to follow and full understand(this is where the classes come in)

Since your work shops run longer they are gonna get alot covered each time which is nice....sorry I wanted to through that in...back to what I was saying..

The Cd's are suppose to be amazing...They can be expensive though.

I know you can get all thier materials at the Public Library...But Ours has a waiting list that goes about 8 months out for them....So buying them is probably better...unless you are willing to wait.

Good luck...and give our self time to adjust!! It does get better I promise:)

I really recommend Love and Logic. I've read several of their books and gone to their parenting classes. Before I had kids (I was pregnant) I saw a seminar by the Love and Logic founders on PBS and I was hooked. The approach to parenting made so much sense. My own mother naturally parented this way (allowing us to suffer the logical consequences of our actions, but in a loving, empathetic way and consistently enforcing the few rules she had) and I loved my childhood. I felt little need for rebellion. My siblings and I all were normal teenagers, but without very much rebellion. There wasn't much to rebel against. We learned a lot of responsibility and ownership for our actions and cause and effect with choices since we were never rescued. In fact, she called the police on my brothers when they went around and shot all the streetlights out with a BB gun and they had to do community service. But there wasn't resentment either because she was so loving and kind about the fixes we would get ourselves into (the empathy part of Love and Logic is key). And she did a lot of work to build our bond and spend time with us, which is also encouraged in Love and Logic.

I love Love and Logic! I used it as a teacher and parent. I am surprised too that the negative criticisms had to do with consequences being too harsh. I am wondering if people were confusing it with depending on the circumstance the steps for a child to correct a misbehavior can take awhile and be a struggle-but not in a harsh way. Jim Fay's philosophy is that some struggle is necessary and it can be painful for the child (not physically, but mentally). That sort of struggle is good because it puts the child in the thinking state in which learning takes place and lessons can be learned and remembered. Love and Logic in my opinion has to be one of the most thoughtful, empathetic and Christian-based teaching/discipline strategies available. And the methods are also ageless. They work just as well on adults as children because it is all about giving choices, sharing control and using natural consequences to teach valuable lessons in responsibility, fairness and compassion. The workshops are wonderful. The speakers are entertaining to listen to and they will have you role play and practice the strategies so you can actually go home and implement them. Highly recommend going to the workshop. You won't regret it!
HTH,
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The consequences will be as harsh as you make them, basically. But if consequences don't make a child uncomfortable, the child won't learn much. As with any philosophy on parenting, take what works, leave what doesn't. I took a class and most of the parents couldn't get behind having a child "pay" for a babysitter or any other fee. So they left that and used what resonated more naturally with their families.

Anything you are willing to invest in your relationships with your children is worth it.

I've read the books, gone to a 4 or 6 week class (1 day a week) with my ECPTA group, have a workbook, "liked" the site on facebook, love them. I don't follow everything to the letter (I do believe in occasional spanking but reserve it for very specific issues, and it is very calm.....and I do give my son an allowance for his chores), HOWEVER, I can't recommend them highly enough. The teacher (not the father, but the son) is a TOTAL TOTAL TOTAL nerd, I mean hardcore, serious nerd. BUT if you can get past that, what he has to say, I love it. It's a great program. I can't really imagine why in the world someone would think it "harsh". It's very logical and makes sense to me. More importantly, it makes sense to my 2 boys, and all the children I used to babysit for. There were a few children that parents had to corner me to find out WHY their sons did so well with me and didn't respond at home. I loaned them my workbooks, and they were happy with the results as well.

Our school embraces Love and Logic and offers the class twice a year for $60 per person or $80 per couple. S Phoenix near Baseline and I-10.

The fall class starts NEXT WEEK 9/27 (Tuesdays). Not sure that there are still openings.

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All Saints Eposcipal Day School in Phoenix use to require (i think) at least one parent to attend the workshop (they provided it). Great ideas. I failed as i couldn't stop myself from dropping off the kid's lunch (book or something)when it was forgotten at home.