Remaining Friends...update

Updated on May 23, 2014
L.M. asks from Hartly, DE
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I wanted to follow up with you ladies for your thoughtful responses to my earlier post. Thank you for your time and advice.

He kept falling asleep before our daughter did and I couldn't have a conversation with him without little ears so I left him a letter Friday morning covering a few topics. I told my husband that we needed to talk so this past Friday when our daughter went to the neighbors (and my son was home), we went out on the deck and had a long converstation.

I told him that while we could just have an agreement, not through court, I was concerned that while we were both very agreeable right now, there may be a time that we are not agreeable. And then possibly having to get the court involved and making things more difficult for all involved...I just didn't feel that was the best option. We can reach an agreement and file it with the divorce petition and thus give the court the power to enforce it if necessary and that is what we're gonna do.

I told him that I feel he's in a bit of denial. He assures me he's not but he still thinks we will get back together and that we're just messing up but doing what we have to at the moment. To me, that is still denial but I refuese to argue with him. We spoke concrete details (not the generalized "we'll figure it out" that he normally pulls)...including that being friends is a bit reaching especially at first. Explained it's not a matter of "him not getting what he wants" but rather us being separated and acting separated (both for ourselves and others to accept it). Trying to make it easier/less confusing for our daughter (and him) by not sending mixed messages. I took my wedding ring off Saturday morning and, while I am sure he has noticed, he hasn't said a peep. My actions have clearly drawn a line in the sand and I feel good about that.

We told my son last night, he's 22 and only here part of the time, but he took it well. I think it has now become real because he even looked at a new place to live...he likes it so as soon as we get a couple financial details buttoned up he's gonna pursue that. It's close to our current house (where me and the kids are planning to remain) so I hope it works out. My mom and his one brother also now know. We are still holding off on telling our little one as we just want to get the details ironed out and get her through June 7th (last day of school for the year) so that is why everyone doesn't know yet. Two of my two co-workers know but rumors spread fast at my place of employment so I was careful to tell those without loose lips.

Of course, the one co-worker's response was sort of typical when I said we were separated...something like "Just sleeping in the same house...TOGETHER". The response seemed "sure you are", like I'd have reason to lie.

So the required question (which I really don't need an answer to since I think I know and I'm only asking because I need a question in my post)....why is it so hard to believe that while we are living in the same house, it does NOT mean we are sleeping together (with or without sex) and ARE separated?

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So What Happened?

Thanks ladies.

I don't really care what other think per say...just had to have a question. This co-worker's response sounded more like someone not thinking we're separated (sort of like "the other woman" not really believing her boyfriend is separated from the wife)... sort of like "yeah right!"....it just struck me as funny.

BTW...the date to tell our daughter isn't necessarily June 7th but we don't want to tell her before that. I hope to tell her ASAP after that but I hate to tell her too much before he is actually moving out.

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L.C.

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Divorce is a loss, not unlike death. If there is one thing I've learned about my divorce situation, it is that some people just don't know how to react to the news. Some of my closest friends have pulled away from me, and some of my casual acquaintances have dived right in to offer me a sympathetic ear and impart wonderful words of comfort.

I've had people just nod their head and C. the subject when I told them about the divorce. I've had other people ask for the juicy details.

I liken everyone's reactions to when my sister lost her full term stillborn baby. Some people just don't know what to say, so they say really dumb things. It doesn't mean that they don't care. They just haven't been in these shoes and hope they never will.

Best of luck to you. It is a difficult process, but the grass is getting greener for me everyday!

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L.R.

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One thing jumped out at me -- you have a date on the calendar for when you will talk to your daughter, but no date on the calendar for when your soon-to-be-ex will move out. He's making progress, yes, by even looking at other places, but he could stretch that process out forever, and his strong tendency toward denial means he probably will. While it's good that you finally had a talk with him as you did, and that he's working on one specific place, if there is no agreement between you on an actual move-out date, he sounds like he's likely to linger and make excuses: "The place I liked fell through so I have to start looking again." "I can't find a place in the right location so I can see Daughter and take her to school." "I found a possible place but they want X, Y and Z." And so on for ages.

Set. A. Date. It needs to hold even if he doesn't have a place to be and you need to be clear that if he stays and stays it is only hurting your child.

You were very wise to tell him that though things are friendly right now, you and he both need to consider that times may come when things are not friendly. You are being realistic and he is, as you note, still in denial even after your talk. He needs the reality of a move-out date, followed by the reality of your presenting him with empty boxes to pack one week before that date. If you worry that he is going to pull a "We need to get back together, you know it's best for Daughter" routine as the day approaches -- stick to your guns and stick to the idea that what daughter needs is firm certainty even if that means the certainty that dad doesn't live there any more.

I can't remember from your other post, are you getting any counseling or therapy through all this? Please don't hesitate -- a counselor could help you have the strength to ensure your ex sticks to a departure date. And please line up a counselor for your daughter! There are ones out there who specialize in working with young children during divorces. Good play therapy could help her through what will be a long and difficult time.

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L.A.

answers from Austin on

Because others cannot believe THEY could live like this for so long.

But why do you care what others think?
You know the truth and that is all that matters.

I am glad you are going to tell your daughter real soon. I hated living in a house with people saying they were trying to work it out, but knowing they were wasting everyone's time and me needing closure. Yes it is selfish, but I was a child who had lived with people that no longer loved each other in a healthy way.

Your child needs happy parents and right now the 2 of you are not happy and totally stressed.

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S.T.

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sounds like things are progressing in a positive fashion. good for you! i'm glad you talked to him and made things clear.
don't be surprised if your drop-dead date for informing your daughter gets pre-empted. news like this doesn't stay private for long.
as for the required question, it's probably less about actual disbelief or thinking that you're lying, simply the reality that it's not a sustainable or healthy situation. i guess that since you shared the information with the co-worker, they felt it was okay to give you their opinion.
khairete
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T.N.

answers from Albany on

I admire your level headedness very much. We could all take a page from your book.

However, I still wish you would retain your own legal counsel.

:)

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C.N.

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What your coworkers believe about your sleeping/sexual arrangement is irrelevant. They will believe what they believe, and you can't change that. But their belief has no real impact on your reality. So don't stress over it.

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A.V.

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My DH stayed in the same house, but in the basement, for a few months when he was in your shoes. I think people always want to get to some juicy detail and are disappointed when there isn't one. And, frankly, not everyone is being chaste.

I'm glad things are moving forward. Sounds like you all need it.

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O.O.

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It's not hard to believe.
I suppose due to the logistics of finding a place, beginning a lease, moving etcetera., this happens for various lengths of time quite frequently.

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D.D.

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Because they are thinking like your husband; if you are there then there's hope of getting back together. Or a friends with benefits type of situation. Let them think whatever they'll think because it's your life and you get to make the choices.Let the rumors fly because they are probably more interesting than the real situation. lol

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J.L.

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There's never a "right" time to tell your kids I don't think. It was one of the most different moments in my life. I understand wanting to wait until school it out, but that's also removing her ability to lean on her friends and ask them questions. My daughter's initial response was she needed to see her bestfriend. Every child responds differently, but just give a lot of patience and remember that she's got to figure this out too.

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