13Yo Daughter Having Issues with School, Sorry Its So Long

Updated on December 01, 2010
K.W. asks from Hughesville, MD
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My 13yo daugter is driving me crazy! She has become lax and very nonchalant when it comes to school work. My daughter was on honor roll throughout elementary even in advance classes. This continued in 6th grade which was her first yr in middle school. We moved from VA to MD just prior to her starting middle school. I had my concerns because my daughter was both shy and had been raised/educated a prodomently caucasian enviroment. My daughter is biracial.(latino/africa american) and I am AA. My family expressed concerns that she may have issues adapting. She did great, made some friends & made honor roll every quarter. In fact she was switched to advance classes after the 1 few weeks. Last year she started wanting to pick her own clothes, which wasnt a big deal but this was a kid who would wear plaid & stripes if she picked out an outfit just months before. The first quater, honor roll again then halfway though the second quarter I received a notice that she was failing 4 classes! I was floored, during this time, I was home by 4:30 4 out of 5 school nights. I didnt just check to see if she did her homework, i went as far as working out the algebra problems to make sure they were done correctly & reading some of the assignments so that I could .make sure she answered the questions correctly. After talking with her to see if something was going on (bullying/peer pressure/ classes to difficult ), I scheduled a meeting with all the teachers. The concensus was she was well capable, in fact making A's on most assignments turned in. However that was the problem, most of the time she didnt turn in her work, or didnt complete class assignments due to socializing. I was livid, I went through her backpack only to find paper after paper not handed in. It was like a slap in the face. Im a nurse, I work long hrs & when I thought about all the hrs i had wasted "doing" homework i could strangle her. Instead I went to Staple & researched online ways to help her organize her notebook, folders & backpack. I spent over $75 & most the wknd sorting, labeling & organizing. I took away her ipod, Wii, DS & limited TV and computer time. I emailed teachers weekly, it was like being a Police. The grades came up 2nd quater had C's but 3 &4 was honor roll again. This year 8th grade started out great, she had all A's & B's on the 1st progress report only to drop down to 2 C's by report card time. I mean this was 2 A's that drop to C's. I was frustrated, I talked, encouraged after fussing a bit. Today I checked her grades & 2 F's at about 2 1/2 wks into the new quarter. Im losing my mind, feel like im gonna have a heart attack. Whats up with this kid?? When I ask whats going on her response is shoulder shrugs & i dont know. I asked if classes are too difficult. No. Do you need/want help or tutoring? No. How can I help you? I dont know. She admits to not reading all the directions at times & not studying even though she realizes it causes her to get lower grades. One thing that has really bothered me is she a taking an advance Spanish class for HS credit & barely skating by. Besides the fact that her biological father being Cuban & could definately help, I was with him for more than 11 yrs, at one point being almost fluent in Spanish yet she never asks for help. I understand maybe not asking him b/c he has been absent most of her life but what about me??? Im there & very capable of helping. Im at my wits end, dont know where to go or what to do. These are the yrs I looked forward to, doing girl stuff & bonding. Im forced to become a dictator & its a job I dont want. I dont school to ruin our relationship. Please any advice would be appreciated.

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M.M.

answers from Washington DC on

TEenagers!!!!! This is why animals eat their young.
I have gotten through one, am in the middle of another and my dear darling daughter just turned 13. I hear ya!!!!

Something that helps my now 15 year old.... She loves to go to the store with me. We go almost every other day just to get sopmething for dinner. It's our time. She talks about her school day and I just listen. We tell jokes and make it a fun time. It only takes 20-30 minutes.
She is also involved in Swimming and she has to maintain a C average to be on the team. She joined the debate team and loves that and a writing club. These are with kids she can socialize with and kind of let loose.

Ask once if the homework is finished. Tell her that you are available and that you would love to help her. Let her now that if she fails and has to repeat 7th grade that it would be a very bad thing but say nothing further. Then let her fall on her face. It's time to stop doing everything for her. She may get an F and have to repeat 7th grade English but I bet she won't let it get that far.

Good luck M. and please don't eat her. :o)

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A.J.

answers from Portland on

Ahhhh the teenage mind! Good times huh?! I have extensive experience working with this age group (mostly high risk youth) and I'll share what I know in case it is of help.

One of the techniques I learned when communicating with the teen who loves to respond with "I don't know" and "no" and very brief avoidant speech is to tell them "I promise I'm not going to ask anything you don't already know the answer to so if you don't want to answer, just say so, okay?" You'd be AMAZED how well this works! Of course, then it was up to me to make sure I asked open-ended questions to not provide an opportunity for "yes" or "no" responses:) If she then says "I don't want to talk about it", then maybe have a conversation about why.

Now, I realize when it comes to school work not being done you might be thinking she HAS to talk about it whether she wants to or not. I'm not suggesting to not talk about it, simply be creative about how you talk about it because my guess is that it has less to do with school work and more to do about growing into the teenage life experience and adapting to new environments and new friends.

Starting around age 12 the human brain begins a process called 'pruning' where all of the brain cells that have not been used are discarded (and there are hundreds of thousands not being used regardless of how smart a child is!). One of the results is the area of the brain responsible for regulating emotion (limbic system) becomes highly active. This is true for ALL teenage brains! Because the limbic system is highly active, the part of the brain responsible for reason and logic is less influential. Stress of any kind seems sooooo huge for the teenager for this reason...we think they are over reacting, they don't.

Developmentally, children younger than 11 or 12 look to their parents for support and connection. Children 12 and older magically switch to looking to their peers for support and connection. This doesn't mean that you don't matter any more, it just means the priority is on what peers think and do. And this is when the relationship with the parent needs to shift a bit to provide different kinds of support in order to help the teen navigate through all of the pitfalls of making poor and risky choices. The part of the brain responsible for understanding 'future' in terms of why not to do something doesn't fully develop until around 19-20 years of age. So having a conversation about the importance of looking to the future often does little good, but is still good to have anyways.

So maybe try to find immediate rewards that demonstrate why school success is important.

If I were to make a guess as to what is happening with your daughter, I would say she's adapting to a new environment and making new friends and seeing that many of them don't spend as much time as she has excelling in school and maybe she's wanting to try to be 'normal'. I'd look at who she's spending time with in school (peers) and maybe try to get her involved in an activity with peers who are wanting to excel in school AND have fun being teens as well. There is a balance in there somewhere and it seems to me your daughter is pulling to an extreme direction in response to the extreme excellence she has demonstrated thus far.

I might try to balance fun time with mom and academic time with mom. She needs to learn that there is no need to choose between fun and education...she can do both!

As far as the Spanish speaking help you have to offer...maybe set up an hour or so over the weekend and a few weeknights where this is the only language spoken, and where English is not acknowledged or has to be explained in Spanish...sounds like you are fluent in Spanish so this might help her. Immersion!

Lots of luck to you with your daughter! You sound like a very wonderful mama who loves her dearly so I'm sure this rough patch will work out:) I might recommend googling "protective factors" and "developmental assets" to learn more about how to support a young teen and help them succeed during this very complicated time in their life.

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D.P.

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What about just letting her fall on her face? I mean, I know it sounds harsh but at some point she's going to realize that it is HER responsibility to turn in the work and assignments. Better 8th Grade than 11th or 12th when she's applying to universities, right?
Perhaps she KNOWS you will rescue her? Or do you think she's enjoying the attention, even though it's negative?
Sorry if this doesn't help--just trying to think outside the box, I'd probably be freaking out, too, if she were my child.

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R.J.

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I had an "Air Force" report card in middle school ALONG with "Is a Pleasure to have in class" "Participates in class" "Does not consistantly or regularly complete or hand in homework. ((Air Force report card mean's A's & F's... A's in the interesting classes -or classes that didn't weight HW-, and F's in the boring classes or where HW was 60% of your grade)). Prior, I was straight A's. Later as well I've managed a 3.8 to 4.0 in all my college classes. But middleschool and highschool it was A's and F's all the way.

Couple the report card & failure to turn in HW with the giftedness and I'll lay $50 on the table right now that she's ADHD. (most adhd kids are gifted) Girls tend to not get tagged for it until puberty... because it expresses differently in most girls, AND because it's not until the hormones come along and muck everything up that our "coping mechanisms" fly out the window leaving all of our challenges that we've dealt with on a daily basis - and triumphed over - are put on public display. Our hormones "out" us very very frequently. We tend toward adhd-c & adhd-i, instead of adhd-h... and we tend toward figuring out that SMALL constant muscle movements are just as satisfying as large ones (playing with our tongues in our mouths, minute but constant facial expression changed, changes in our breathing, moving our toes inside our shoes, swinging or "jack hammering" one leg... things that don't annoy teachers. Many boys with adhd-i or adhd-c duplicate the "girl's standard" of avoiding detection until puberty, but most boys tend to be "caught" between ages 4-6, while most girls tend to be "caught" between 11 & 13.

They hyperfocusing on clothes to the exclusion of other things, hyperfocusing on other "trivial" things... hyperfocusing on things that are interesting to her (can you PRY her away from things that are interesting to her without a crowbar... or do you get tears/fits or the "glazed and confused" when you do manage it?)... all the things that you mentioned are

Anyhow... It's something I would strongly suggest looking into. Advanced classes & F's, & not "consistantly or regularly completing or turning in assignments" are so "classic" they're practically in the diagnostic criteria.

Here are my two favorite resources for adhd:

http://www.amazon.com/You-Mean-Lazy-Stupid-Crazy/dp/07432...

www.additudemag.com

((And, just to highlight again, many rabidly successful people have adhd... it's part of what makes them rabidly successful to begin with. The way our brains work is different from most people, and in the right environment we practically explode with "talent" & "success". Of course, most of us also need a full time maid... but who really judges worth off of their laundry skills?))

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S.S.

answers from Los Angeles on

It looks like you have a lot of helpful suggestions below. I just wanted to comment on your daughter's shortcomings in Spanish class. Even though she probably speaks Spanish very well, she may not know the correct/proper conjugation, punctuation, phrases, etc., to do well in the class. I was a teacher's assistant in my German class when I was in high school (I'm Asian, so didn't grow up speaking German) and noticed that the students who grew up speaking German at home did the worst in the class. They tended to take for granted the proper language (grammatical and vocabulary) skills, didn't pay attention to the teacher and thought they didn't need to study, so consequently received grades of Cs and Ds. Thus, you should try to encourage her as if she really is starting from scratch... Best wishes!

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E.R.

answers from Chicago on

Sadly- yes, you have to be the dictator! it is SUCH a drag and I often say to my son " You do realize that *I* already went to school and did my homework, right?? lol

But- your options are to just let it go and let her hang out with her friends and blow off homework and studying for tests- or just to constantly keep on top of it.

It sounds like you also have some personal issues bound up in this (with the Spanish class and your ex, etc). I am divorced and I totally get that! Whenever my son does something irresponsible, I have to really MAKE myself take a step back and not automatically go to a place where I think " OMG- just like his dad! He's going to turn out to be irresponsible!"

The biggest thing I can say is just to schedule specific times to do homework and rules about it and always follow through. Every night before or after dinner, YOU check the homework. If your daughter has an assignment folder, you check it off (my son's school does this and it is VERY helpful). I also email my son's teachers every other week or so- we found that he was sort of fudging between us what was due when, etc. Now that he knows we are emailing, he also knows he can't get away with that!

Just keep on it- you are being a good mom. You don't have to be mean- just consistent. Let your daughter know up front and ahead of time what the consequence will be for missing an assignment or not studying for a test. Then follow through- if she knows what the consequence is ahead of time, she can only blame herself if she doesn't do her work!

Good luck- I know how frustrating this is! No one wants to be the Homework Police- but you are being a good mom!

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S.E.

answers from Los Angeles on

Hi K.,

As one responder mentioned, at this age many children turn to their peers for support and what they "should" be doing. My question to you is what do you know about her friends? Becasue she is in a new place and there is high pressure to fit in, she might be hanging around with kids who are not as advanced as she is in school so in an effort to fit in, she is dumbing herself down. Generally for a lot of girls around this age, being smart is not cool and focusing on looks is. My thought is to help her with ways to increase her self-esteem so she is more secure with herself. It's not that the pressure gets less but she will find ways to cope with it better.

L.M.

answers from Dover on

I had the same problem w/ my son. Very bright, very lazy though. He had a bit of a learning disability. Not one that he was born with but rather one that was created by being bored early on so he didn't pay as much attention as he should have and missed some key things. In elementary school he was able to skate by, still doing well with very little if any effort. Then middle school came and he was still skating by but I fought constantly with him about getting the work done and turned in. Finally, they listened and discovered that while he was testing very high, he was struggling in some areas (reading). Because he was so bright they didn't notice until they put him in a group w/ strong readers (because he was off the charts for math and science...abilities were there). Then they saw the discrepancy.

Your daughter may have a similiar issue. The sooner you look into it, the sooner she can be helped.

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