Vaccines? - Eagle River,AK

Updated on February 01, 2011
J.C. asks from Eagle River, AK
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I am not looking for a debate here. I know there are very heated arguments of both sides. I am familiar with the fraudulent work of Mr. Wakefield and his MMR Autism link and know his work was faked. But even knowing that, I keep hearing about unsafe vaccines and vaccine injury. So, my question is, do any of you actually have a child, or know a child, who has had a vaccine injury? What type injury was it and did they truly show no signs of a problem before the vaccine? I know vaccines can cause temporary issued like low grade fever and soreness at the injection site, but I am talking about long term issues. Since there is so much info on both sides, I would really like some first hand information so I can know if the vaccines I give my children are safe.

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So far we have 2 people who knew a kid that had a seizure but was fine, and that is it. I will not be going to any anti-vaccine sites, I already know they lie which is why I am looking for FIRST HAND information to be truly informed. Thanks for your responses ladies, so far I think my boys will be getting all their vaccines, just maybe only one or two at a time, not 8 (oh my goodness, I could not believe the doctor would do that!)

I asked this on anther site I am a member of as well, I will let you all know what I learn.

From the other site, I had one mom say she knows someone who thinks a vaccine caused her child's autism, and one reported seizures and a high fever.

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B.P.

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Actually, Dr. Wakefield's research is not proven fraudulent, nor is he even anti-vaccine himself. He merely raised the question, which is a mainstay of the scientific method. The vehemence of the mainstream response should raise a red flag. Anyway, there is a book by a former head of the Center for Disease Control regarding vaccines. I recommend reading it for an alternative point of view. I don't think I'm allowed to post the title, as per the rules of the site, but with some research you can find it.

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R.J.

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I have heard stories but never actually met a kid with long term problems from vaccines. Most mothers I have talked to say the same thing.

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S.H.

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The Vaccine Book by Sears is a great straightforward reference. He is not for or against vaccine's... easy read and very informational and credible.

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R.K.

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No I don't. I am very concerned about the rise in parents not vaccating their children. We have so many people crossing our boarders illegally, no papers, no shots, possibly bringing any number of diseases with them. For many years the states that border Mexico had nearly epicidemic proportions of diseases the U.S. had under control. This was not just because of illegal immigration but also because the diseases crossed the border with day-workers and visitors.
Look back into history and see how many families buried their children maybe only one survived because of polio-measels-small pox ect. Then decide what to do for your child. Me, I was born just before the last polio epidemic in 1955, I have always considered vacines a gift from heaven.

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D.M.

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I also do not know anyone with a long-term vaccine injury.

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M.R.

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I do not know one person who has had a vaccine injury and have worked with kids for 15+ years.

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M.R.

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I know one person who was allergic. No other vaccine injury, and I have two autistic children who attend a school for kids with autsim. Even with all that contact with parents of atutistic children, I only know one parent who thinks this, though she has no direct evidence of injury, she beleives that vaccines caused her son's autism. Vaccine injuiries are from seizures that may occur after the vaccine, and are very, very rare. They have zero to do with autism. I also know many kids who are not vaccinated...and one in 110 of them have autism, one in 99 if they are boys, the ratio is the same for unvaccinated children. Let me tell you this, if you have the one in 110 or the one in 99, they really are the last kid on earth who should get mumps, measils, or rubella.

M.

I post the names of books and authors all the time. Utter nonsense. MR

Here is an article from CNN, unless you think that these are lies, the only one caught in dishonesty and fraud is Wakefeild. No quotation marks without citation here...

(CNN) -- The author of a now-retracted study linking autism to childhood vaccines expected a related medical test to rack up sales of up to $43 million a year, a British medical journal reported Tuesday.
The report in the medical journal BMJ is the second in a series sharply critical of Dr. Andrew Wakefield, who reported the link in 1998. It follows the journal's declaration last week that the 1998 paper in which Wakefield first suggested a connection between autism and the measles, mumps and rubella, or MMR, vaccine was an "elaborate fraud."
The venture "was to be launched off the back of the vaccine scare, diagnosing a purported -- and still unsubstantiated -- 'new syndrome,'" BMJ reported Tuesday. A prospectus for potential investors suggested that a test for the disorder Wakefield dubbed "autistic enterocolitis" could produce as much as 28 million pounds ($43 million U.S.) in revenue, the journal reported, with "litigation driven testing" of patients in the United States and Britain its initial market.
Among his partners in the enterprise was the father of one of the 12 children in the 1998 study that launched the controversy, the journal reported.
In 2010, after a lengthy investigation, British authorities stripped Wakefield of his medical license, and the Lancet -- which published his original study -- retracted the paper. He has denied any wrongdoing, and a vocal contingent of advocates for children with autism continues to support him.

Wakefield did not immediately respond to a request for comment from CNN. But in an interview on an internet radio site Tuesday, Wakefield again defended his research and called the BMJ series "utter nonsense."
He said the patent he held was not for a test or an alternative to the MMR vaccine, as BMJ reported, but an "over-the-counter nutritional supplement" that boosts the immune system. And he blasted allegations that he used the cases of the 12 children in his study to promote his business venture.
"The children were not exploited," he said. "They were seen because they were sick. They had clinical referrals. They came to us. We responded to a crisis."
He also repeated his attack on the author of the BMJ report, freelance journalist Brian Deer, whom he has accused of being paid by the pharmaceutical industry. In financial disclosure forms, Deer has stated that he has received no such payments.
Dr. Max Wiznitzer, a pediatric neurologist at Rainbow Babies and Children's Hospital in Cleveland, said that if true, the latest BMJ allegations would indicate a major ethical breach.
"Assuming the facts Deer lays out are correct, it is disappointing that Wakefield in his book casts aspersions on others for all their purported conflicts of interests and failures of disclosure, yet does not examine the same issues in himself," Wiznitzer said. "Therefore, those who are trying to objectively evaluate the situation have up to this point not been given all the facts."
BMJ reported the business venture failed to launch after Wakefield's superiors at University College London's medical school raised concerns in 1999 about a "serious conflict of interest" between his research and the company formed to launch his new product.
"This concern arose originally because the company's business plan appears to depend on premature, scientifically unjustified publication of results, which do not conform to the rigorous academic and scientific standards that are generally expected," a letter stated. But the university offered him a year's paid absence and help in replicating his original research with a larger group of 150 children in the name of "good scientific practice."
The follow-up study never occurred, and no other research has duplicated Wakefield's original findings, BMJ reported. He left the university in 2001, and BMJ quotes his former boss as saying the school "paid him to go away."
The BMJ pieces are a series of investigative reports, not a clinical study. The journal's editor-in-chief, Fiona Godlee, said last week that of the 12 children Wakefield examined in his 1998 Lancet paper, five showed developmental problems before receiving the MMR vaccine and three never had autism.
According to BMJ, Wakefield received more than 435,000 pounds (about $674,000) from lawyers trying to build a case against vaccine manufacturers -- a serious conflict of interest he failed to disclose. Most of his co-authors abandoned the study in 2004, when those payments were revealed.
The now-discredited paper panicked many parents and led to a sharp drop in the number of children getting the vaccine that prevents measles, mumps and rubella. Vaccination rates dropped sharply in Britain after its publication, falling as low as 80% by 2004. Measles cases have gone up sharply in the ensuing years.
In the United States, more cases of measles were reported in 2008 than in any other year since 1997, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. More than 90% of those infected had not been vaccinated or their vaccination status was unknown, the CDC reported.

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L.J.

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I would HIGHLY suggest you read these two articles about vaccinations.
vaccines dont really help prevent diseases like all the drs and pharmaceuticals say they do, in FACT they dont have proof that the vaccines prevent the diseases. your child can still get the disease he/she was vaccinated against. it has happened many times.

"The peak incidence for SIDS is age 2 to 4 months the exact time most vaccines are being given to children. 85 % of cases of SIDS occur in the first 6 months of infancy........These deaths from SIDS did increase during a period when the number of vaccines given a child was steadily rising to 36 per child. "

"As measles immunization rates rise to high levels measles becomes a disease seen only in vaccinated persons."

"An outbreak of measles occurred in a school where 100 % of the children had been vaccinated. Measles mortality rates had declined by 97 % in England before measles vaccination was instituted. "

"In 1986 there were 1300 cases of pertussis in Kansas and 90 % of these cases occurred in children who had been adequately vaccinated."

"The number of cases of pertussis has steadily decreased[3] even though far fewer children are receiving pertussis vaccine."

the cons of getting your children vaccinated outweighs the pros, by quite a bit. do the research.

http://www.newswithviews.com/Howenstine/james.htm

http://www.relfe.com/vaccine.html

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T.M.

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I have never heard of anyone with a long term injury either.

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B.L.

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My son had his first seizure right after his MMR vaccine. Thousands of people reported the same thing. If you go to Dr. Tenpenny's on facebook, you will see all the mothers and fathers posting about what has happened to their perfect children right after a vaccine. And you will see the TRUTH about Dr. Wakefield. He is not a fraud. He was the only one in that study willing to lose his license because he thinks something needs to be done about that vaccine.You can see the videos of the reporter Brian Deer and being asked questions and his answers don't match what he had preciously said. And, the news refuses to tell the truth of what really was said in that article from Dr. Wakefield. He NEVER said that MMR was linked to autism. But, the news says that he did say that. You can find all the proof on Dr. Tenpenny's page. When thousands of people say that their child "changed" after the MMR vaccine, you can't deny the proof there. You just can't! Please become of fan of Dr. Tenpenny's page and you will learn alot!

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M.L.

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I do not know anyone with a long term vaccine injury.

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C.S.

answers from Houston on

I think it's very interesting how several poeople missed the part about you not wanting a debate but rather FIRST hand information. So to answer your question- I do know one little girl who goes to the same in-home sitter as my children who had a reaction to one of her shots and she did have a seizure (a small one) but only one and it's been a year now and she is just fine- and right on track developmentally and emotionally.

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J.B.

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Before I tell you of an encounter, I just wanted to let you know that 100% pro-vaccination and my son himself has had every vaccination recommended by the CDC on schedule and has never had any problems whatsoever. A close friend of mine has 3 children with her husband. She is also pro-vaccine and first 2 had all their immunizations. Her third child was a year old at the time when the entire family rented a Hawaii vacation home and stayed there for a year. for that year, her one year old did not get any vaccinations at all and didnt see a DR. at all while they were in Hawaii. When they came back, she took her son to her pediatrician for a check up and the Doctor gave her son all of the vaccinations that he missed during that year. I believe he got eight vaccines that day. Well, a day later, he stopped talking. He had a pretty good vocab before the vaccinations, but he just stopped talking after that. It took 6 months of speech therapy just to get him talking again. He is now a 4 year old boy and although otherwise normal, he gets sick all the time. His immune system always seems to be compromised and catches everything. He is always sicker than his brother and his sisters. I am 100% FOR VACCINATIONS, I just wouldnt recommend giving my kid 8 shots at once. lol. Especially with the MMR, I made sure my son only got 2 shot when he got the MMR (MMR plus HIB). Also, avoid shots when your child is already sick with something else.

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T.C.

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I just wanted to mention that not all vaccines have immediate side effects. They have linked childhood diabetes and cancer to vaccines as well. These are listed on VAERS (Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System). This is a government site, and they estimate only about 10% of adverse events are actually reported. When you pump a body full of toxins, sometimes it takes time for the body to react to the ingredients coursing through it. Vaccines are administered straight to the blood stream, not giving the liver an opportunity to filter out the impurities and toxins, like things that enter in other ways do. And yes, I know several children with diabetes which could be linked to the vaccines they got. The thing is, it is hard to pinpoint these things directly since there are so many factors. However, when compared to a non-vaccinating society, like the Amish, you can see a correlation. There was a doctor's office in the Chicago area where his clients were 100% non-vaccinated. It was shocking how his office also had very minimal, if any, number of children with diabetes, cancer, ADD/ADHD, autsim. The children were healthy in comparison to the "normal" pediatrician's office. I do think it is good to ask questions. But, I think it is better if you don't have your answer already before you ask.

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S.W.

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No problems from vaccines, none. Not even a spot of redness, soreness, or fever. My daughter never even uttered a cry during any of her vaccinations.

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V.W.

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To actually respond to your question,
No, I do not have a child who has had a vaccine injury (we have two children, ages 9 and 12), nor do I know a child (or have even heard via another person that THEY know a child) who has had a vaccine injury.

My 2 siblings and I (3 of us) were all vaccinated according to schedule (at the time we were born in the 60's) also, and none of us has any vaccine injury, nor do I know of any adults who were vaccinated as children who have vaccine injuries.

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S.E.

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Here is my question to you. What kind of long term injury are you talking about?
There have been NO LONG TERM STUDIES done on vaccines. So no, you cannot prove that they cause long term autoimmune diseases or immune related disorders (rheumatoid arthritis,multiple sclerosis,psoriasis,lupus,asthma, ezcema, etc). All of which are on the rise, and that's just a small handful of some...
Think about it though... Vaccines do alter immune response...
What I really hate, is the flawed reporting system. Say you take your child to get shots and they do have a reaction. First of all, good luck finding a doctor that will admit it's from the vaccine. Second of all, how do you find out which vaccine caused the reaction? They give several combinations of different vaccines.
And what constitutes a reaction? A high fever-induced seizure? A child non-stop crying for hours? The reporting system is very flawed and hugely under-reported.
Those are just the tip of the iceberg too...
Follow the money...Why are kids getting 50+ doses of vaccines today as opposed to less than 15 a mere 20 years ago? And yet our autoimmune disorders and infant death rate is increasing, rather than decreasing.
And guess who has life-long patients with those autoimmune disorders?

I could go on forever and ever about this subject but that is all I will say on this matter for now...

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R.G.

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I have two mommy friends who have kids who have been hurt by vaccines. One was a perfectly normal toddler until he received a vaccine, then he stopped communicating, stopped functioning as he had been and was diagnosed as autistic. His mother is slowly bringing him back thru diet, cleansing all the high levels of metals from his system, several years and thousands of dollars worth of therapy, etc. All the result of a vaccine. The other child had a severe allergic reaction to a vaccine as a baby. She is now in her 20's and is mentally retarded. Yes, this was an allergy but how do you know if your child is allergic until it's too late?

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J.L.

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I am on the cautious side because of the debate!!!! Ugh...My son's have had one shot at a time and thank God no side effects. A few of my friend's kids experienced fevers and then some cold symptoms. I do not know of anyone who has had a siezure. I say better to be safe than sorry. Since I only do one shot a time...if there is a reaction then I know which vaccine it's from. Best wishes :)

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B.M.

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My son had a reaction to his 15 month shots which he received at 18 months old. He stopped talking altogether! Not even a sound for about 6 months. I work with him for several hours every day, and also have a specialist work with him. It has been just over a year, and he is just now putting two words together. (this is different then a late developer- He was talking prior to the vaccinations). We are very careful with his diet, household and personal care toxin exposure, and have haulted all vaccinations until his body may be able to handle it. Only you can decide what is best for your child, knowing his family history, and any weaknesses he may have. As with anything all humans react differently to exposure, and as a parent you have to make a decision you are comfortable with- and live with the consequences. Kudos to you for wanting to research, and it is good to see the good and the harm that these vaccinations cause so you can make an educated choice!

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A.J.

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I haven't heard of anyone/infant or child I know who responded with more than a slight fever or fussiness same day. My son has two shots and an oral vaccine for his 3 and 6 month visits and didn't have a fever but was a bit fussy the same night. We just loved him 'extra' and he has been fine. He didn't get any vaccines for his 9 month, except the flu shot, and I expect some vaccines at his 12 month.

I know people with children who didn't vaccinate and then later developed pertusis (wooping cough) and mumps as young children (5 and 7 years of age). Not sure if this helps?!

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C.K.

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My son had a reaction to one of the vaccine. He was fine with the first 2 doses, but develop rashes on the 3rd one. The alergy specialist said it probably because the body start developing the antibody and caused reaction to the vaccine. Nothing serious. A couple of dose of benadryl clear the issue. But since then, he only gets one vaccine at a time. Just in case there's another reaction, we will know what cause it.

I also always refused to get the MMR and Chicken pox together for all of my 3 kids. I told the doctor that I'd rather come back and pay again to have it administered separately. Other than just a regular low fever and on site discomfort, I don't see any severe reaction to any vaccine.

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A.H.

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Othen than a fever we never had a problem after getting a shot for our daughter.

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M.D.

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No I haven't heard or know of any one who has had a first hand vaccine injury. I do believe in vaccine's I just wish doctor's office didn't do so many at once. At four year old check up most doctors do 4-5 at once. I think this is uncalled for, but again, I'm not a doctor. My 15 year old had to get her TB this year, I ended up changing doctors not because of this, but he wouldn't give her because she had a common cold. My 4 year old goes to a different doctor and I asked if she gives to TB if a child has a runny nose and no fever if she would and said of course. I found that to be really odd, I think they just wanted another co-pay. But back to your question, I never have known anyone or heard of anyone.

L.M.

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I don't personally know of any injuries from vaccines. Both my kids have NEVER had a problem and only once seemed fussy afterwards.

My sister is an acquaintence of someone who had the H1N1 vaccine and had a severe side effect...paralyzed but that was a very long time ago and I don't know the specifics. Not because of that but because I am not comfortable w/ the lack of knowledge on the current H1N! vaccine's long term effects, my kids don't get this one optional vaccine. They normally get the regular flue vaccine but since they are combined this year they did not.

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