C.B. asks from Olathe, KS on March 24, 2009
Toddler Fears
hey mamas,
just have a need for some "i've been there's" and possibly any advice. my son is 2 1/2, has always been a very sweet and bright little boy, seemed to hit all his milestones early. he's also a big boy (which i think some people forget how young he is because of these things). he is 41 lbs and his head comes just above my waist now. he's a big boy, and such a blessing. and i know he's "two", i try to remind myself and my husband of that - daily! but i have been having some issues with him the last week or so, and i am pretty sure it's just normal toddler stuff, but it's wearing me out. there have been several changes in his behavior lately; he has become even more opinionated and obstinate, the smallest comments or requests from me are answered with "NO!!" seemingly for no reason. (not too crazy for a two year old, i know). he has also started to act really scared of things for the first time. i tell myself it's just his little brain learning what fear is, but it still freaks me out. so many things that he has been around all his life, now scare him. for example: we were watching one of his backyardigans videos today, and he came and hid behind my legs. he's been watching this video since he was 9 months old! another example: we were walking to the car the other day, and we live near railroad tracks, and a train came by and whistled really loudly just was we were coming out, and his hand (i was holding it) was shaking SO badly i thought he was about to have a panic attack on me. one more: he has always gone RIGHT to bed for me, no problems, and last night he threw a huge hissy fit, and i'm convinced he was scared to sleep in his bed. he was nearly hysterical.
AND then there's the separation anxiety- when i drop him off at the sitter's (who he has known since he was three months old, and we both love totally) he does the classic fit throwing, screaming, kicking, crying, running out the door (crawling on his belly and squeezing between my legs, this morning). then the funniest thing (again, i know this is typical toddlerhood), in the afternoons when i pick him up it's just as bad, because he doesn't want to leave. he has had to have timeouts the last two days, AT the sitter's because he has been violent, kicking, screaming, telling me "NO!" when i tried to put his shoes on him. yesterday it worked okay, and afterwards he got up and was basically manageable...today he was just as bad as ever when the time out was over. i asked my sitter (she is more experienced than i am, has five of her own as well as the daycare kids) what she suggested, and she kind of smiled sheepishly and said, "well...a swat on the bottom?" she is like me, it wouldn't be to hurt him, just get his attention, because he was just being so unreasonable. but i couldn't with everyone right there lol. anyway while we were discussing it his flame went out a bit, so we got through it. anyway...sorry this is so crazy, but there have just been a LOT of changes in him in the last week or so. i haven't seen this many changes in him since he was tiny and learning something new literally every day...is this normal? do i need to worry that something is wrong?
there haven't been any major upheavals in his routine or anything lately, but i should mention that a week and a half ago he seemed kind of sick so i picked him up from the sitter's early and took him to the dr, who said he had a really bad ear infection. he hardly acted sick at all. the first time we noticed anything, i took him in. but apparently he had been sick at least a few days before that. he acted totally fine. so he's been on amoxycillin for the last 10 days. could this have something to do with it? other than the antibiotic, he hasn't had any medicine since like a week ago. those children's ibuprofen and tylenol made him HYPER, i think it was all the sugar in them. anyway...any advice or encouragement would be appreciated. i know (i think) it's probably typical, but it's just getting kind of overwhelming because this is not like my little boy at all.
PS, any advice on how to handle these violent temper tantrums at the sitter's when i pick him up would be great too- it is a bit inconvenient (and a bit awkward!) to have to stand around while he's in timeout, and if it's not going to work (did the first day, didn't the second), then i need a backup plan. should i just physically haul his rear end to the car and deal with him there? i just don't want to be standing around waffling on what to do next time he does it, i need a plan. help! thanks again!
So What Happened?™
thank you guys SO much for all the input! this has been so great, reading all the responses. so i have also been asking a lot of advice from coworkers, my mom, etc, and after all of the advice, i have realized a few things. i think i will definitely just nip it in the bud, the next time we have a pick-up meltdown, and just haul his little bottom either to the car or to the mudroom (for some privacy) and deal with him one-on-one. i do think in a way the timeout is prolonging the issue, where normally they work great for when he is misbehaving, this is a slightly different situation with it being at the sitter's house etc. i have used supernanny's version of timeouts since he was "about" two- i went more with the idea of whether he would "get it" or not, not his age. they have ALWAYS worked great. in the entire time we've been doing them, only once did it not work (other than at the sitter's the other day) and after three time outs, he finally picked up his toys. we've never had to go farther than one time out, since. and even having to put him in time out at all is pretty rare, that's why his behavior suprised me so much. he is normally a very well-behaved little boy.
anyway, i was looking at things, and i have to say that his naps, routines, schedules, meals, etc, are all pretty dead on, consistency-wise. so then i started thinking about other things. the amoxycillin has been done since monday, and yesterday we actually had a GREAT day. he was a bear in the morning, not wanting to get dressed as usual, but we talked all morning about how we were going to be nice at ms. sherry's house and not kick and scream, and also the sitter met him at the door and took him from me (not an easy thing to do with a 41 lb kid!), i was carrying him, so we nipped that fit in the bud, he was fine. then in the afternoon, with a lot more coaching from her during the day, and also a small amount of bribery just this once (she gave him fruit snacks at the end), he was AMAZING! he was happy to see me, giggling, excited, it was SUCH a relief lol. like i said there was a bit of bribery involved, he was promised a treat if he was sweet and nice. and also we had plans for dinner so we talked about those while we got shoes and coat on (which, by the way, he was an angel all night while we were out and about, too!)...anyway i think it was a mixture of a lot of things, but we finally had a good day yesterday and i am SO thankful. i have the best sitter in the world! i will just have to keep up the reinforcement, talking about how much better it is when we're sweet and nice to mommy and ms. sherry. i do think that was a big part of it. he knew that we expected better of him. but i also think perhaps the antibiotic had something to do with it. which shouldn't surprise me because of his behavior when i gave him the children's tylenol...but since he had never had that kind of reaction before i am suprised. well regardless...we had a good day yesterday so if it was the antibiotics and it's "over" for now, or if it was just a small break, i think i am better equipped to deal with it after reading all these responses, so THANK YOU again. you guys are such a comfort!
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K.O. answers from Wichita on March 25, 2009
His behavior is perfectly normal. He is trying to separate from you (emerging independence), yet at the same time is beginning to realize how big the world really is and his need for you. It can be an exhausting period for us parents, but comfort him when it is truly fear and create consequences for when it is simply disrespect. Easy to say, but more difficult to actually do! Good luck!
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R.C. answers from Wichita on March 25, 2009
My daughter was about that age when she had high lead. Her behavior was similar. Everyone said it was perfectly normal for her age, but it settled down a lot as the lead level declined. Can't say that caused her behavior, but it is known that lead can exacerbate behavioral problems, so I would get a test if it hasn't been done.
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B.S. answers from Joplin on March 25, 2009
That amoxicillin has flavorings in it, and the flavoring has lots of sugar and dyes.
Also, some children's medicine (not sure about amoxi, but worth asking about) has alcohol in it. My 6 year old granddaughter was given a prescription "tummy" medicine and within the week had mild alcohol poisoning from it. The doctor said some kids can't tolerate it as well and switched her to a different medicine. This was a med meant for children !
Also, the same granddaughter can not take a very popular allergy med that supposedly has little or no side effects. She has hallucinations and freaks out when she takes it. Another form of an allergy I guess ?
Since you mentioned your son gets hyper on children's Tylenol, I thought these might be things to consider.
Go to a "compounding" pharmacy (they specialize in special order meds)and express your concerns. There are so many ways they can mix that amoxi without the regular sugary flavors and dyes.
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K.W. answers from St. Louis on March 25, 2009
I think it is perfectly normal. I have a 3 year old (just turned 3 on Saturday). We have dealt with some of the same issues. She wakes up in the night scared, thunder scares her, noises scare her. Even as you said, she cries when she goes to the sitter (whom she adores). I think their little brains are comprehending more and they are just trying to figure it out. We deal with all of this with more hugs and cuddles and lots of assurance that it will not hurt her. If she cries when I leave her with the sitter I assure her that I will be back to pick her up. I let her know if it will be Mommy or Daddy picking her up and we try to stick to that. It follows the same rule as everything else to this point, Consistency. I don't remember how long it lasts, but you will get through this. And your child is fine and perfectly normal.
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L.S. answers from Wichita on March 25, 2009
WOW!! What loaded questions!! lol One thing I can relate to is his size. You've describe my son to a tee. So far, my son hasn't shown the actions you say your son has.
You may be right, maybe he is now realizing fear. You may want to try explaining things to him... see if that works. Tell him he's safe, that you're there for him, etc.
As far as the sitter goes... I'm thinking he's testing his limits- to see how far he can push them. He's a bright kid, so no wonder he's doing this. You should go about things as normal, and if he starts acting up, as the saying goes, "Apply the hand of knowledge to the seat of learning."
The meds you gave him may possibly have been a culprit in this, but I doubt it. You could give his dr. a call and ask about side effects.
About the violent temper fits... YES, you should haul his rear end somewhere else and deal with the issue. Let him know YOU'RE the mama and HE'S the son!! :) Don't let him get away with it otherwise it's gonna get worse.
Now about the bed issue; go about your routine as normal. Stand firm and tell him what you expect of him. Being as bright as he is, he'll understand. This may take a few times, but it'll all work out. It won't be easy, but keep in mind you're doing this FOR him, not TO him.
I hope I've answered most of your questions and concerns. I'm just sure you're going to be getting TONS of responses. Write down all the good ideas and go from there.
Good luck... raising kids is not easy!! :)~ls
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K.O. answers from Wichita on March 25, 2009
His behavior is perfectly normal. He is trying to separate from you (emerging independence), yet at the same time is beginning to realize how big the world really is and his need for you. It can be an exhausting period for us parents, but comfort him when it is truly fear and create consequences for when it is simply disrespect. Easy to say, but more difficult to actually do! Good luck!
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S.G. answers from St. Louis on March 25, 2009
First of all, with him outbursting, I wouldn't "swat him on the bottom" becasue it will just show him that hitting is okay and clearly it's not. Plus, if he's throwing tantrums, you don't want him to start hitting back.
Time outs never worked for my son...
As far as your child's fears, he could just be realizing that he is his own person, and experiencing some seperation or just some typical 2 year old opposition. Ignoring if you can or distraction are good behavioral ploys...good luck
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K.G. answers from St. Louis on March 25, 2009
My son is two and a half and is going through many of the same things.
Some things that work for me: holding him when he's scared or unsure of the situation and talking him through it (he soon jumps down and gets in the thick of it!); telling him about the day in the morning so he won't be surprised; giving him transition time so he knows that we'll be leaving/eating/picking up toys and he has time to adjust to the idea (a few minutes before we do it or he forgets about it); when he asks to do something, I say "OK, you want to read a book. First, let's change your diaper and put your pajamas on. Then we can read a book." That way, he gets what he wants but he doesn't dictate our whole night. He will often repeat it and be very happy that he gets what he wants.
I hope this helps!
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B.C. answers from Joplin on March 25, 2009
C.,
I am up to baby number 3 and we are starting to experience some of the "typical" two year old behaviors as well and my little guy won't be 2 until June. I just want to assure you it all sounds normal to me = )
I would tell you as a person who has worked in a proffessional daycare setting that the best way to deal with his anxiety of being dropped off is to remain calm and positive, hug, blow kisses....whatever you usually do but don't linger and please don't try and just sneak out. It is always nice is your sitter has something to kind of get his attention right away or distract him, but since you have no bad feelings about where you are leaving if you have any added anxiety he is going to pick up on that, so make sure you aren't feeding into it.
I don't know how well time outs work with a two year old, but if that is working for you then I guess that is a good thing, just remember no more than a minute per year of the child.
And...although this may get a lot of frownie faces from other mamas...I do not think a light swat on a diapered bottom when the child is being over the top ridiculous is a bad thing at all.
Even though my son loves to go outside or bye bye and he can say shoes and socks he has been naughty at times when I have tried putting his shoes on and tried to kick me and I held his legs very firmly and said we do not kick...that serious mama tone can work if you don't over use it = ) Also even though I know that I have read time and time again not to use the place they sleep as a "punishment" we do have a pack n play that he doesn't sleep in or nap in set up dpwnstairs that if he is throwing a fit and won't use his words I will put him in the pack in play until he calms down, sometimes I put a stuffed animal or some board books...I don't call it time out, I just feel like even toddlers get stressed sometimes.
Please do get his ears re-checked after he is done with the antibiotic though, it may not be a coincidence that some of this seemed to flair up when he started the antibiotic...it may not be working and they may have to put him on a different medicine.
Lots of luck to you, these things shall pass...I have a sweet 8 year old and a pretty great 13 year old that both went through the sometimes terrible, sometimes terrific twos!
B.
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K.B. answers from Wichita on March 25, 2009
GooooooooooooooooD Morning C., Its it loads of fun being a mama!!!?!?!? Almost as much fun as being a Nana or Grammy which is more fun. We get to send them home in the evenings!! Your not alone dear heart, not by a far stretch!!
Corbin 4 is still acting out when mom comes to get him once in a while, and sometimes he is so worked up to stay at Nana's he does get a swat!! When just a few minutes ago he was wanting Nana to take him home now.. He wanted his mama!! It goes back and forth C.. I go over to their home every morning at 7:15 so mom can go to work then I bring them here usually, He wants me to Leave and Mama not to go make the bacon!!
Of course he doesn't get his way, usually goes to his room or time out if he gets to rowdy. Now his baby Brother 17 months has learned to throw FITS royally. He will throw his self on the floor and scream and cry. I step over him and walk away. Nana's not watching so it's not as much of an attention getter.
I have kept this sweet, smart, highly vocal little man since he was born and mama had to go back to work.
This started about maybe a year ago. He has a very high vocabulary since he was 2 1/2 so can really voice his opinion, thoughts and wants or needs using correct words and usage. Not bragging, just how it is. He can make me laugh so hard at time with what he can say or come up with. Super vivid imagination.
Monday night they had Tyrannosaurus Rex Fajitas for dinner. And they were yummy.
Few weeks ago he was really acting up as they were getting socks and shoes on to go home. Well Corbin wasn't listening or complying. His Papa was home this time, Gen was taking care of the baby Zane, trying to talk reason to Corbin to get ready to leave. Corbin wasn't having it. Papa got up walked over to Corbin and give him one of those Lifting off the floor swats. Then got down to his level and told him "Now listen to your mother, and get your socks and shoes on". Tears streaming, little chin quivering, not a sound though he sat down and did it. We get out to the car and he said, Nana you tell Papa not to do that again, He hurt my feelings!!! I told him I couldn't do that because Corbin needed to be reminded to obey.
See Papa reads to Corbin every time he gets home before mom gets there, they sit in papa's chair and read at least 2-3 bks. He is what Corbin calls his best Papa in the Whole World, and it broke his heart papa would swat his hinny!
We usually do time outs also C. when he does this. We ask him where our sweet Corbin disappeared to and when is he coming back?!?! He will tell us He is right Here Nana, the naughty bad boy left already. Then smile really big, and gives hugs.
Most of the time he is very well behaved, well mannered little boy. He is tall like your little guy and has been for a long time, he is over 40lbs also but slender in stature. A Lot of energy wrapped up in the package.
I wouldn't stand around waiting for his time out to be over C., I would tell him he goes to time out when he gets home and if he continues to act out it will be a longer time out. Then when you get home remind him why he is in time out. They seem to forget so quickly. Let him know Mama is not happy do to his behavior. By the time you do get home you won't be as angry with him but still Time him Out.
He needs to learn consequences to his Actions.
I would imagine after you leave he is fine at the sitters and she can place him in time out after your gone. So don't hang around long, give kisses hugs bye byes, see you this afternoon and leave no matter if he throws a fit or not.
Patience and endurance, endurance, endurance. You have to be stronger in temperance then they are. They know what buttons to push so early.
Like shopping...lol Corbin loves to ride the Hee-haw
(horse) at Wally World so we usually do that on the way into the store not as we leave. Because by the time we leave with Two little guys my patience could be frazzled. I don't promise to do it later. We do it first thing as I know they will both be good then.
Best of everything to you C., it is something most kids go through and ya just gotta stay bigger and stronger then they are.. LOL My Momma used to say "They were good until you got here"!! I've never said that yet!! Never will. But I do miss my mama!!
Corbins room is beside the street and he has woke up crying at night also the last few months saying he is scared. The train is a block away and he used to get up to watch out his window when it goes by. Now he says he doesn't like the train it scars him. During the day though he wants to go out and watch it go to Towanda LOL or To Emme's house in TX. This is new for us with his fears and we are working with him on it.
God Bless and hang in there C. it will be something else down the road
K. Nana of 5
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