Pull This Too?

We can't have any substantive socio-political info disseminated here. After all people might actually become informed.

Let's discuss Real Housewives instead.

Eyes rolling.

sad that it was pulled. i started to read the responses and had to log off and went back on now to read more, get INFORMED and see that the thread was pulled. sad.

If it was for it, I bet it wouldn't have been pulled. Just another example how grown people can't express their beliefs and have their own opinions. If they don't agree with me then they must be againist me. Hmmmm....and we wonder why there is so much anger in this country.

People need to stop trying to convince others that their way is right and just respect others opinions.

I am the poster of that question. I have never been pulled before so I wasn't sure what just happened. I really was reading everyones responses and wanted to respond to some of the posts and thank them for taking so much time to tell me their stories. I really wanted to get a dialogue going without so much venom. I apologize for inciting people...that was not my intention.

Good luck and best wishes! I guess I will stick to less emotional topics. I never read anywhere when signing up that we could't discuss politics.

That's infantile. 10 flowers to you, Angela S.!

I have three kids and I don't think I've screwed them over! I also don't think the rules have been stacked against me by the top 1%. I work hard and I am responsible and pay my bills. Many of the people bitching are because they were irresponsible with how they've lived their lives. Now they want someone else to pick up the mess and make it go away.

I did not respond to the original post.

My thoughts are that this is not a political website but we are grown women, mothers, wives and children some on the same path and others walking a different path and we should be able to discuss any topic that we are passionate about. We talk about our vigina, uterus, breast and our beautiful children, commen sense tells me that we should be able to discuss politics without bashing each other! We should be able to discuss any topic on here that we are need of clarity on, after all at the end of the day POLITICS has something to do with everything we discuss on this board...

We have to grow up and learn to discuss the things we are passionate about without bashing what others believe in. Until then they will continue to pull our post and send us to our rooms!

I also believe that any topic that contemplates what will make a better future for our children and their children is relevant to a mom-site. That includes politics and national policy.

What makes this such a difficult topic, especially now, is that almost every thinking American (and every citizen of the world) is scared, and it's hard not to be reactive and defensive when we're scared. So many changes are happening, so fast. Nearly all of us fear what this will mean to our families, even if we still have jobs, and our homes, and regular meals, and health care.

None of us who have those things want to lose them. And only some of us are willing to share, to make the urgent sacrifices to keep the nation afloat, to keep the lifeboat from shrinking, to help pull drowning neighbors back on.

Many of those who are still surviving have become reactive to any and all messages that suggest change is needed, before we all go under. But the lifeboat IS getting smaller, almost by the day, and more people are being shoved off. Most of those in "The 99%" (the Americans who are not in the privileged 1% that controls approximately half of the wealth in the country) are trying to get out the warning to fellow citizens that they could be next if they don't get informed and active.

Those of us who have lost, or are now losing those basic needs, are like drowning people, grasping desperately for any way we can find to survive. It's hard, risky work to survive without a job or a home, demanding ingenuity, persistence, and endless sacrifice. The people who still have their lifestyles, jobs, and benefits sense the power of all this desperation, but are not yet in a position that requires them to recognize that the quality of their own futures depends on helping to make things right for all citizens.

If we don't do this together, we'll become a society ever more divided by two main classes, the Haves and the HaveNots. What will be the impact on the souls of the Haves to sit in their comfortable homes while the HaveNots scramble for the crumbs from their tables? It's a typical Third World scenario. And it will be the end of the U.S.A. as we know it.

And how many of the children of the Haves will be guaranteed a place in this shrinking group of privileged, successful people? The world we are creating is genuinely frightening – a world of life-or-death competition for ever fewer resources. I don't want that for my grandson, or for any child of any mother. I really doubt that any of us want that. But it's coming, unless we rise up together to stop it. That's what the Occupy movement is ultimately about, even though the motives are articulated in many ways.

They did.

I am mad.

It was probably me that got it pulled.

I truly do not care.

I will defend the movement until I am blue in the face from yelling.

I have been through enough to know now that we have to wake up. and if you choose to stand by and just watch.....then I can not help you.

I was that Occupier who posted.

I sent a PM apologizing for using her remarks as an example. For the board range of negatives being place on the people out there Occupying and why we are there.

I yell because this will forever effect my families standing.

I realize none of you are in control of what is going on.

The 99% need every person they can get in support of this movement.

Although we do not know what will come of it. We dont know who will come of it. at least give us a chance to try and change the wrong that is going on in this country right now.

it is not any one of our faults. we only thought we were doing the right things.

It is not our fault that the system failed.

I want to apologize only for calling the one person out on something I meant to be more board.

That I am just trying to paint the REALITY of what is really going on.

For years we have watched what we thought on TV was real. the craze to get rich fast.

No the reality is that people are hungry. Out of work. homeless. and being attack by the very system that got them there.

My anger for people not understand gets the best of me.

that was a moment I should have taken some advice given to me by a very smart mom here. I should have walked away and let the anger subside.

Because we did not get into this mess alone. We will not get out of it alone either.

It is hard to wake up and realize what we thought to be true our whole lives was a lie. a big fat lie.

J.:

Have no idea what you are talking about. I've been gone for a few hours.

What happened now? Who got their panties in a bunch and reported?

URGH!! So many people spout off on here about free speech - but they report soooo much stuff!!

I don't know why these things are pulled. I think that discussions of this kind are important. God forbid someone look at the other side of the coin. I think someone said that the people that were doing the occupy thing was people who made bad choices and are there of their own accord. I have to severely disagree.

My mom didn't choose for the company she worked for, for 20 years to shut down because record profits weren't enough.

She didn't choose to get Breast Cancer while she was both looking for a job and going to school, and have no health insurance at the time.

She didn't choose to be a 55 year old woman whom no one will hire.

She did however pay her taxes and has for the past 40 years without (until now) ever taking a dime. So how is she using YOUR money to pay for these things? Isn't she just using the money SHE paid into the system for 40 years?

See the other side of the coin.

WHAT?!?! Our thoughts can extend outside our children and home? We can evaluate and discuss the system/s in which we function and contribute?? We can question the movement of our nation and can worry for our children's future??? That's just craziness!!!

Now, BACK TO THE KITCHEN with ALL of you!!!!
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Joking, of course.

*Sigh*. This will also be pulled, most likely. Mamapedia doesn't like being criticized and will censor any posts that question it's (ever illusive) policies. It's the inconsistency that I take issue with. Posts are pulled without having violated the terms and conditions of this site, while others stay. I spent a good while trying to figure out what the criteria for censoring is...and I got nowhere real fast, but here's the conversation I had with the Powers That Be. http://www.mamapedia.com/questions/13722960296136540161

Having only one child so they can get ahead is like walking everywhere you go to get back at the oil companies.

If you wait to have kids until you can afford them, then you will never have any kids. When I had my first child, the government figures said it would cost $125,000 to raise and educate a child through his first 4 years of college. I was making only $600.60 per month. That's 208 months of 100% of my gross, not net, income. That's 17.34 years of 100% of my income. There was no way I could afford to have even one child.

Corporations don't have our bests interests at heart. The government doesn't have the working family's best interest at heart. If the government did, we wouldn't spend trillions more dollars than we take in. The government tries to buy voters by giving away money, (welfare, food stamps, unemployment, extremely lax disability requirements to receive disability payments, etc.) 100 years ago we didn't have all those government giveaway programs ad we didn't have masses of people dieing of starvation in the streets.

100 years ago national defense made up about 75% of our budget. Now it is less than 25%. Why? Because social programs were less than 5% of the national budget. The increase of social programs has caused us to have the debt we have now. National defense didn't shrink in real dollar terms. The government giveaway programs just swallowed the budget, It costs us about $2 to give a welfare/food stamp family ONE roll of toilet paper. Why? Because of all the government employees that over see the program, the palaces they work in and the extremely (!!!!) generous retirement beniefits they enjoy.

And we still vote the giveaway party into office! Go figure?

ADDED: There are still people starving in the streets. That has never stopped, even with all the giveaway programs. Reagan dropped taxes on the highest earners and reduced corporate taxes and that helped stop Carter's runaway inflation and lead to 25 years of prosperity. I tried to buy a home while Carter was in office. Because I had outstanding credit, I was offered a 16.5% home loan. That is not a typo, 16.5%. To buy a new car or truck, the interest rate for the buyers with the best credit was 21%. I remember talking with a neighbor that bought a new car and was paying 29% interest on his car loan. That's scarier than any halloween movie I have ever seen.

The government says unemployment is at 9%, but that is only based on the fact that 9% of the Work force is receiving unemployment payments. I've read and heard on the business cable channels that the real rate of unemployment is around 22% and that doesn't take into effect the number of people that were working full time and are now working part time. Example: The employees at Nucor Steel have been on 50% hours for around the last two years. The company did that so they wouldn't have to close some plants and totally fire people or lay them off.

And what pulled us out of the Great Depression? WWII. We employeed people to build weapons, planes, and employeed millions in the military.

Good luck to you and yours.

Occupy mamapedia =)

Yep.
Too many rabble rousing Mamas out there!
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All you have to do is ask about taking your kids to an Occupy protest and it becomes a thinly veiled parenting question, but should pass the censor.

Hear, hear! You are absolutely correct.
A number of years ago, there was an old guy who worked at the job I was at at that time. He told me, "Your generation is the first generation in America that is going to have a lower standard of living than your parents."
This was about 2004, 2005. He was ahead of his time.
I thought he was a quack. I dismissed his comments.
Now, six years later, I realize he was absolutely right.
My family has a lower standard of living than my parents or my husband's parents. Yet we work just as hard as they worked.
And I am watching advantages that I had as a young person - for example, the Florida Bright Futures Scholarship - get gutted. They most likely won't be available for my son.
I am extremely lucky to be in a job with a real pension. But certain factions in the government are working to dismantle that. And lots of my friends and neighbors support that, because they are angry that THEY don't have pensions......They are turning the working people against each other.
My son will most likely not have any kind of pension at all. He might not even have a job!
There are people on here posting about paying 700,800, or OVER A THOUSAND dollars a month for health "coverage." They still have to pay copays and deductibles on top of that!
Mom at home, like our mothers' and grandmothers' generation could afford? Not a chance.
There are many more examples.
This is a mothers' issue.

UPDATE TO YOUR UPDATE:
I think people need to look into what life was like in this country BEFORE social security, Medicare, and other programs that were put into place to alleviate suffering.
These "entitlements" (NOT - we pay into them our whole working lives) are not that new and if we don't remember our history they could be taken away from us.
Where do you think the term "poor house" comes from? Google it! The poor, sick and elderly who had no family to take care of them would labor in "poor houses" in exchange for a nominal existence. They were often abused.
That is where we are heading if we continue to empower the 1% at the expense of the rest of us.
They could very well bring back debtors' prisons as well!
All this stuff is NOT THAT OLD....our children's children could very well end up living in a Dickensian society...if we don't get educated and stand up for ourselves!!!!

My son just graduated from college with a lot of debt and at this time he has only a part time job. Guess we should be grateful he has a part time job that is more than some of his classmates have. You can't tell people they should have done a better job and they wouldn't be in this position most people that are now out of work thought at the time they were doing the responsible thing then the rules changed. I don't know for sure what the answer is but I do know the divide between the haves and have nots is getting bigger all the time.

I was wondering what happened to that, too!

MANY moons ago I posted a question: "Are politics relevant to you?"

I got 29 responses, overwhelmingly the opinion was, if you're raising a child, you'd BETTER be aware of what is going on around you politically.

Here's the thread:
http://www.mamapedia.com/questions/11478003250872057857

~~from AB's post
A number of years ago, there was an old guy who worked at the job I was at at that time. He told me, "Your generation is the first generation in America that is going to have a lower standard of living than your parents."
This was about 2004, 2005. He was ahead of his time.
I thought he was a quack. I dismissed his comments.
Now, six years later, I realize he was absolutely right.
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And you want to know part of the reason *why* this guy was/is right?? How many times do we look for the cheapest item we are wanting?? Is that item made here in the USA?? Nowadays, most llikely not! And yet, people keep looking for cheaper and cheaper items -- all while wanting that high pay for whatever job they're doing! So what happens?? Stuff is sent overseas to be made, built, whatever - costing US jobs. And the cycle repeats....

(hmmm...maybe this should've been a separate post??)

Really? Of course we have different opinions and it can get heated sometimes because some of us can't be nice about it (not calling names because I do it too) but WOW! It's what makes this a good place to come for advice...getting views other than your own on things!

It was getting pretty heated last I looked. Heck! The first poster said the OP was being **itchy. If calling someone stupid is against the rules and will be pulled, I would be pretty upset if cursing doesn't...

I do think we should be able to post about non-mom topics, but if the posters by and large are attacking each other rather than discussing the original OP, then I think it deserves to be pulled. It would be nice if in its place Mamapedia would post the reasons it was pulled for everyone to see...

Edit: There is an element of worry... of "what will happen" when we're not the superpower anymore. However, England was the superpower at one time - they're not doing too badly. I almost would prefer that we step out of that role - with it goes some bargaining power, but so with it goes a lot of the responsibility that we have to be so careful about... watch what we say, what we do... I think it might be nice to be able to focus on US and not the rest of the world quite so much...

The topic is relevant. Most likely it was pulled because of the "shouting" and calling people "bitchy" that muddies the waters. Now, in my opinion, if the responders are acting in way contrary to the Mamapedia terms of service, those posts should be pulled and the posters should have the opportunity to reword their posts in a respectful manner, but the original post should remain.

My two cents.

I got up to make some lunch and came back and it was gone. Did it get nasty in the 20 minutes I left?

If a thread turns for the worse and people start shouting at each other, they do pull them.

I'm glad they pulled it, this is NOT a political website, there are plenty of other places to go for that kind of discourse.