Help! My 9 Year Old Daughter Lying and Deceiving. Ditching Band Class to Go Play

Updated on May 01, 2012
D.G. asks from Camarillo, CA
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My 9 year old has been getting in trouble at school since kinder. She has been getting better while I work with the teacher constantly but at times she lies about her homework I have even found her homework hidden just because she didn't want to do it. I know she understands the work because I work with her everyday. The problem I am so very frustrated with now is her lying to me about ditching her band class to go play with her friends. I take her 2 times a week at 7am to go to band and she comes to me the other day and tells me that she quit band and she turned in her instrument. We had already had talked about her not quitting band because she wanted to quit because she didn't want to get up so early. I come to find that she had been having me take her at 7am for the past month but she goes to play instead of going to class. I have punished her with no Tv or computer as well as not able to go to a planned birthday party but scared at the thought of her lying to me for this long. I am a dingle mom and am a full time student. I talk to her about being responsable/quitting/ lying/ education etc but she does what she wants when she wants no matter what I say. She seems to have no common sense in some of the things she decides to do. Does anyone have any advice?

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V.W.

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I am confused. How is it that a 9 yr old is being dropped off at 7:00 a.m. for a class (band) and you, who are doing the dropping off, is not seeing her go inside to her class. HOW is she skipping it? Surely there is some sort of sign in or something? How does she leave once she is signed in? There should be a more secure system of supervising than that...

And she is going without taking an instrument? Hellooo... Is she not practicing at home? again.... hellooo...

Where exactly is she being dropped off at 7:00 a.m. for band?

Something about this just doesn't make sense to me.

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T.N.

answers from Albany on

Well, band is not for everybody. She's already told you it's not for her, so that's why she's being lying, she feels she HAS to.

Everybody's good at SOMETHING. It's just a question of finding the thing that turns her on, that she's willing to make sacrifices for.

Lying and skipping band practice at such a very young age shows an extreme lack of self respect. And small wonder since she's being forced to do something she doesn't like, while whatever her strength is is going un-nurtured.

It's not you against her, it's you AND her together as a team in building the best possible life for her.

:)

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L.R.

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D., first, I want to say you are doing the right thing to halt all TV and computer time and to say no to the party; just be sure that your withdrawal of all TV and computer is total and lasts for a very long time, because this is a very serious offense; a week or two of doing without "screen time" is not enough here. I also might ground her entirely for a long while -- no play dates, no friends over, no phone calls to friends, etc. She needs to understand that what she did is very serious. It's about lying and lack of respect, but does she also understand that it's about her own safety? During that before-school band time, where was she playing? Who was she with? She could have wandered off or anything could have happened -- and you would have thought she was safe at band and the band director would have thought she was safe at home, having quit band. This needs to be brought home to her so she understands.

On the bigger issue: You also are right to be as concerned as you are. Her behavior is more like that of a middle schooler or high schooler than an elementary level child. Ask yourself: How did she know she could deceive you? Why did she believe she would get away with it? And how did you finally find out the truth about band -- because she finally confessed out of some sense of guilt, or because she confessed only due to fearing being caught, or because you found out another way, such as the band teacher contacting you? If SHE told you, that is at least better than hearing it another way and having to go to her and say, "I know you've been doing this...." when she was planning to just continue her deception. I would let her know that this one big deception, and the little deceptions of hiding homework, now have you questioning everything she says and does; you cannot trust her right now, about anything, so she will have to stick close to you and account for everything -- and she has brought that on herself. Tell her you want her to earn back your trust because you DO want to trust her, but she has broken trust and must earn it with truthfulness.

D., the band issue combined with the lying about homework indicates she does not worry or care about displeasing you or letting you down. So building some respect for you is vital. So is building respect for her school commitments.

It is great that you are already working with the teacher! That needs to increase. I would immediately ask for a meeting between you, the teacher and the school counselor about this; give them every detail about the band issue; and say that you need some outside help to nip this in the bud now, because if she is doing this at nine, she will do much more and much worse ditching as she gets older. Ask the counselor and teacher for specific ideas on what to do (discipline) and what to say (ways to teach her to respect you and to respect school) and also ask what they think may be the root of this.

For instance, she may be a child who operates (many do) on the principle of "I want what I want, and I want it now," which you need to fix or she will not only lie to you, she will drive off friends eventually and alienate teachers to the point they won't want to keep helping her. She may need more rules and chores (with rewards if she does well!); she may have friends who are encouraging this behavior (so she must get some new ones); she may be afraid of failure at school or in band, so she says "I don't want to get up early" when the truth is she is just scared to death of band because she thinks she's bad at it. That's a self-esteem issue that would need work. There are a LOT of possible motivations to explore here. And a lot of new rules to set up, and new systems for rewards and discipline that you must use, consistently, every single time.

As a single parent you don't have another adult around to help enforce things, so you will have to do it solo and that will be tough. I would ask the counselor about how to get some professional counseling for you both as a family and also some parenting counseling for yourself, to help you map out the behaviors you expect and the rewards and consequences of her behaviors, and to help you be consistent. It is tough to find time for meetings and parenting classes but if you do it now you will probably have fewer problems later -- this really is your wake-up call to do something immediately. Please update us here!

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M.S.

answers from Portland on

I think there are some bigger issues going on here that you need to look at. 7 is young, but she has already established patterns that are alarming. I would get her into a counselor, and not just the school one since they are more academic and less emotional. It sounds like there are some things she needs to work on and resolve, and she needs help to do it because she is only 7. Its tough being a mama, but you are trying to do your best, so that's the important thing.

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J.S.

answers from Columbia on

Welcome to Mamapedia! What a toughie for a first question. :)

So your 9 year old is ditching? Seems a little young, but the issue seems to be a lack of respect. You aren't demanding it, and she's not giving it freely.

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L.P.

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Try having her tested for ADHD.

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