Swine Flu Vaccine

Wow - you are brave. I thought this was all still in the testing phase. I would not be willing to be a guinea pig for something so new. These things come out and in a few years you find out all this damage & side effects they cause. I also am pregnant and have a 2 1/2 year old and would not let them near me or my daughter with that needle until it has been truly tested and proven to be safe. Until that time, the drugs they treat you with if you do happen to come down with the flu work well and I'd rather go with that on an IF basis.

I would encourage you to do a little research before subjecting you, your children and especially your unborn child to this untested vaccine that has been hurriedly thrown together. The toxic cocktail being used for this vaccine is quite shocking. Not only does it contain the standard toxins like mercury, aluminum and formaldehyde but is contains squalene which is noted to have caused the Gulf War Syndrome.

Healthy individuals are not at risk of fatal outcomes from the regular flu or the swine flu. They do suggest such vaccines for newborns (Lord knows why they would inject such things into tiny babies) but that is because they are often exposed in daycares. If you are a SAHM you have no need to risk an untested vaccine.

I again just encourage you to do some research before you blindly accept a vaccine that has no track record and is full of toxins.

Hi and congrats on your pregnancy. I too agree with Tiffaney. Why would you want to suppress yours or your children's immune system with this toxic cocktail. I understand the medical profession has its reasons for suggesting this: $$$ I strongly suggest that you do some research and thorough research. There are some serious risks to these vaccines and I'm talking LONG term damage, things you would never realize came from the vaccines. Ultimately the choice is YOURS but here are some sites where you can make an informed decision. If you'd like more information, I'll gladly get it for you.
www.thinktwice.com
www.909shot.com
www.vacinfo.org

Here is a list of some vaccine ingredients:
MSG, antifreeze, formaldhyde, aluminum, glycerin, lead, cadmium, sulfates (proven to cause cancer), yeast proteins, antibiotics, acetone, neomycin, streptomycin, mercury, monkey kidney, dog kidney, chick embryo, chicken egg, duck egg, calf serum, aborted fetal tissue, pig blood, horse blood, sheep blood, rabbit brain, guinea pig, cow heart, animal viruses, etc!

I agree with Tiffany 100%. Please do some research before accepting the recommendation.
This is an untested vaccine and you and your children will be the guinea pigs.

I googled it and found a webpage from WebMD (so I don't give an opinion to it or try to recall from the news channels, I have a bad memory)

Here is the site: http://www.webmd.com/cold-and-flu/news/20090720/swine-flu...

Here are the talking points from the article (please note that these are just notes from the article and not the full article, which is 4 pages long):

Will there be a vaccine? Perhaps not that soon. And the clock is ticking away the short amount of time before federal officials, including President Barack Obama, have to make hard choices about whether -- and how fast -- to get swine flu shots to everyone who wants one. Or at least to those who most need one.

If the government makes the decision to go ahead with a full-scale vaccination program, it would be the largest, fastest vaccination program in world history.

Warning: Flu viruses -- and flu vaccine production -- are notoriously unpredictable. Many things can change, even by the earliest points of this timeline.

The CDC will recommend people get their flu shots or flu sniffs earlier than usual this year, to make way for possible pandemic flu vaccination.

Seasonal vaccine doesn't protect against the new swine flu bug. But there's a long history of safety and efficacy for flu vaccines made of H1N1 antigens, notes flu expert John Treanor, MD, chief of infectious diseases at the University of Rochester, New York.

The most important question about a pandemic flu vaccine is whether it will be safe. Unfortunately, like nearly everything about flu bugs, safety can't be guaranteed 100%

By mid-September, results from clinical studies will show the best dose for pandemic swine flu vaccine, how many doses are needed for which populations, and whether the vaccine appears safe in different populations.

If the decision was made in August to start packaging vaccine doses, vaccine will become available around Sept. 15. Early results from clinical trials will guide the decision whether to start vaccinating people. But that decision will have to be made before officials have all the information they'd like to have.

Hope this helps :) Congrats on Baby #3!

BTW Healthy people have died from the swine flu!! People use keys words like "toxic cocktail" to make it sound like you are poisining your family. Doctors give vaccines for people's health - NOT for $$$... If they were in it for the money, then they would have chose a different field like plastic surgery. How much money do they really make off of one shot??

He's pretty healthy: http://www.nwfdailynews.com/articles/swine-19491-defuniak...

**Addition**
There are ALWAYS thimerisol free flu vaccines. However, the amount of thimerisol is so small, I garuntee you injest more when you eat certain types of fish! Also, there is not a single newborn baby in the WORLD that gets the flu vaccine, that is wrong. Caregivers that will be around the baby get the vaccine. People can list the ingrediants and call them evil all they want, they save lives. Even though I strongly feel this way and will be getting my whole family the regular flu vaccine, I too would not rush into getting the swine flu one. New vaccines need to be tested and I do perfer not to be one of the first to get it, especially if I was pregnant. If your preschool starts getting hit, keeping her out will be far more effective than the vaccine. Good luck with the decision! It always seems like you feel your darned if you do, darned if you don't doesn't it?

I'm surprised they gave you a date like that. My doctor said they hope to have it in time but might not. I wouldn't think there would be any way to schedule for this already. You just need to wait until it is actually started being given. You should have no problems because your whole family will be in the high risk catagory. It is going to be a really bad flu season, but I'm not sure I want to be one of the first to get the vaccine. I usually like to give it a few weeks so I can hear if there are any horrible reactions to it. Plan on getting the regular vaccine ASAP and play the rest by ear. My son got a mild case two weeks ago. Bad fever and some vomitting, but he recovered very quickly. He got put on tamiflu very quickly and I recommend that if you should come down with symptoms. Keep in mind more people still die of the regular flu every year.

Hi M.,

Congrats on your pregnancy! I too am pregnant and have a few friends who are currently pregnant. We have discussed this very issue and are all currently undecided and confused.

My initial reaction was, "there was no way in heck I was going to get that vaccination, it is way to new". However, I now have a slightly different view. One of my best friends cousin recently died from the Swin Flu and her story is very heart breaking. Young pregnant mother who contracted the swine flu. They had to delivere her baby at only 6 months, she was in a drug induced coma and just recently died due to flu complications - you can read further details on her story here:
www.komonews.com/news/local/53051347.html

I am eagerly awaiting test results so that I can further educate myself - remembering that every thing we read isn't always the complete truth.

Living in South Florida I have choosen to vaccinate my daughter - mearly because of how many tourists and short term residents are here in Florida - you just don't know who or what you may run into. I believe that the US doesn't suffer from many of the life threating diseases as we did in the past and as other countries do - becuase we vaccinate.

Everything we do for ourselfs and our children is a personal choice and I do not condemn anyone for their choices. Many of my close friends have not vaccinated their children and we are still friends and still have play dates. Although, I pray that years from now disease we have been free from due to vaccinations don't sneek back up on us.

Wishing you the best!

T.

I don't think I'd risk getting the vaccine until it's well-tested either. More people died in the 80's from the vaccine than the actual disease itself. (There was an outbreak of swine flu in 1976.)

Look what's going on with that Gardisil HPV vaccine/cervical cancer vaccine. There are at least 10 death associated with that vaccine now, not to mention numerous cases of blood clots, strokes, seizures, etc....

The swine flu vaccine is not currently available and will not be available by Sept 1, as far as anyone knows yet. The regular flu vaccine will be available Sept 1 and, according to experts, may offer a certain degree of protection against swine flu (though not fully), so maybe that is what your doctor is talking about? You and your children should be able to get the regular flu vaccine any time after Sept 1. My ped's office starts giving them on Sept 15 (they use flu-mist for age 2 and up, so no shots), and I get the shot at work in early October.

Just wanted to clarify that vaccines do not suppress your immune system, they do the opposite. They cause your body to build antibodies toward the virus, thus strengthening your immune system.

Please go on the internet and check out the safety - mercury in a pregnant lady-
Check International Chiroprctic Pediatric Assoc, and I think they have links to Vaccination sites so you can get the whole story- and I know there is a site from a place in Detroit- let the woman who started it tell you her story
Autism one in 67 now- it isn't genetic it is because of something- you check it out for the safety of your children-
don't take any one else's word- they are your children and you are making a lifetime decision for them
As you probably gathered- my kids were never vacinated, and now my 3 wonderful and very healthy grandchildren are not either- they eat well and are the healthiest in their classes.
best of luck-k

The vaccines are very dangerous, causing potential short term or long term damage to the immune system - they really don't protect much against getting flu and they confuse the immune system and inject toxins directly into the body. I strongly encourage you to research the dangers of vaccines and why the manufacturers have been granted immunity from any legal claims about vaccine damage. It's actually impossible to have a vaccine ready for a current flu strain and it would take YEARS to test vaccines for safety - so anyone promoting vaccines for flu right now is ignorant or has a devious agenda.
Read more about vaccines HERE: www.phinsights.com/autism.html

People are led like sheep to follow what they are told - even doctors are like sheep, afraid to question orthodox beliefs regardless of evidence. Vaccines CAUSE epidemics of illness more serious than what they are alleged to prevent.

Best wishes,
J. Shlackman, LMHC, C.Ht.
www.phinsights.com

No one knows the exact date that the vaccine will be available, but the hope is that it will be out around the time that the yearly flu vaccine becomes available (September/October). The vaccine is currently in clinical trials. Once out, the vaccine will be available to kids and adults (there may be a prioritization list which you will definitley be on!). It is also a 2 part vaccine (23 days apart). Also, since you are pregnant- make sure you get the regular flu vaccine, too!

**I just read your other responses, and understand why you would not ever want to post another question!! I posted one a while back about having to stop breastfeeding, and I got attacked (my breasts dried up but some moms made me feel like I was the devil b.c of it)!! Please know that not ALL moms on here are judgemental. Just go with your heart, and do what you think is right for your family! I know my family will be vaccinated!

Hi M.,

I'm pregnant as well but will be avoiding that shot like the plague. They are currently doing the testing of the vaccine now which is why it isn't being given yet. But the testing is not done on children and pregnant women, only on healthy adults and there is obviously no long term studies on any of it. It is going to have thimerasol, which is mercury and very toxic especially to the unborn baby and children. Please just educate yourself before rushing into shots.

My pediatrician told me it would be ready around Oct. so I have no real answer for you, other than to ask someone else in your pediatrician's office or try another pediatrician. Whenever it comes out I will get my kids both the regular flu vaccine, and the swine flu vaccine.

Hi M.,

There is quite a bit of controversy over the swine flu vaccine. They are rushing it through and it is not thoroughly tested for safety. It is unclear whether or not it will have Thimerosal or Squalene added to it. Both of these are harmful and can cause severe adverse reactions. My neighbor's grandson is autistic and they feel it is due to vaccines. I have a relative that spent time in a hospital because of the last swine flu vaccine and he is still not right. And, on top of all of this, the companies that produce the vaccines are immune from being sued or prosecuted for any adverse reactions because of current government laws. I have to wonder how that effects the safety issue plus there is the greed issue over how much money they will make over selling the vaccines.

You would do well to be extremely careful of vaccines. Your immune system is actually depressed from the vaccines. Do some research. You can check out mercola.com and there are other places. Dr. Mercola has a lot of information about many things so you will have to search swine flu vaccine on that site. Nutrition plays a big part in whether you or your children are susceptible to things that are going around. I have heard that the figures on swine flu are highly inflated.

Take care of your health and that of your children. Do some research and be informed. Don't rush into anything.

Good luck! C. M

I would strongly urge you to avoid an "non-standard" vaccines for you and your children, i.e. flu, pneumonia, etc. When my daughter spent a week in the hospital with pneumonia, the other children in the ward were admitted for getting pneumonia days after getting the vaccination. I am not willing to risk mine or my child's health for something that is not required, especially when the probability of contracting the disease is slim.

Ultimately, the decision is yours, of course. I have not heard any information about the CDC approving the drug yet though.

There is nothing worse you can do for yourself than to inject that poison in your body!! There is no reason to do it. The pharmaceutical companies create these vaccines because it is a money making conglomeration. They have their hands in the government pockets. You want to be healthy? There are natural ways of doing so. Essential oils of thieves which is naturally antiviral, antibiotic, antibacterial, antimicrobial, antiplague can keep your cells healthy in a natural way.

S.

Hi M.,
I know that my pediatrician is going to get the vaccine in a couple of weeks. He is getting it early because he does trials for new vaccines. He is offering it to all his patients and if they do decide to get it, the only stipulation is that they have to take a blood sample 1 month after getting the vaccine. He said it is the same as a regular flu shot, just with the components for the swine flu. As a side note, my husband just had the swine flu last week and I was extremely nervous for my children (2.5 and 9 months)and for myself (almost 8 weeks pregnant) but we have all faired quite well!! No illness!! Both my ob/gyn and pediatrician did not prescribe anti-viral meds since we all showed no signs of sypmtoms. If we had ANY signs, they would have prescribed immediately. Anywho, back to your original request, our pediatrician is Boca Del Mar Pediatrics and the pediatrician is Dr. Kaweblum. Hope this helps!!!

I don't know if you'll even read this since you feel so victimized by the responses, but I thought it was interesting you feel you're a terrible mother because you believe in vaccines 'cuz often I'm made to feel I'm a terrible mother for not using vaccines. We stopped at age 4 after lots of reading about vaccine side effects, ingredients and the money side. Of course, I also haven't even taken so much as an aspirin in 3 years so I guess it's not just vaccines I have a problem with.

As far as the swine flu, yes it is widespread, but it's a flu. Unfortunately many people die from many strains of flu every year - before and after the creation of flu vaccines. People also die from many other more common or rarer reasons. Give your body a chance to do what it was made to do. I know it's especially scary since you're pregnant. For this particular vaccine, I would be concerned since it's being rushed into the marketplace with minimal testing and no responsibility on the shoulders of the companies creating the vaccine. I don't think I'd want me or my baby to be a test case.

Common sense precautions: wash your hands ALOT. Stay away from sick people (too bad they don't just stay home like they should). If the swine flu becomes prevalent in your area, avoid public places as much as reasonably possible. Take your prenatal vitamins (oh, I miss those suped-up vitamins) and eat healthy foods. There are also homeopathic "safeguards" such as Oreganol and SuperSilver which are anti-viral/anti-bacterial, but you will need to check any safety precautions for pregnancy. Also a splash of apple cider vinegar in your water (don't make it so sour you can't drink it!) daily has amazing health capabilities and no side effects that I'm aware of.

In any case, you have to do what you believe is right. It's just hard to know who's right/wrong. There's so much info out there positive and negative, and it's all to spin for one side or the other. Actual facts and news have been replaced by public relations and sensationalism on both sides making it scary no matter what you decide. Believe me, I know and empathize (only from the other side!).

Best of health

Do you really want to put anything in your body that there aren't too many studies on as of yet. You are putting yourself, your unborn child and your other kids at risk.

I have read studies that they want to make this mandatory. It's your choice but think about the consequences and remember that you can't go back.

the h1/n1 (swine) flu vaccine is supposed to be available mid to late Oct. you and your children will be in the priority groups that are designated to receive the vaccine first. You should check with the health dept. they will probably be one of the first to receive the vaccine.

My goodness, I was just reading all of the responses to your request! The minute you bring up IMMUNIZATIONS people sure did get all sorts of emotional and judgemental!

I just had my son at the dr for his 4yr check up and the reg flu mist was already available and so he did get that. My dr also said that the swine flu vac would be available late October. I was very surprised by this myself and will do much research as well. I do believe in vaccinations but am also weary of the newness of the swine flu vac. Good luck to you in whatever choice you make! I myself, would like to get the flu shot but do not get them each year because of the Thimerasol in the adult vacs... I had a sensitivity years ago to this as it was in contact solution.

Again, good luck you you and your family!

The seasonal flu vaccine will be arriving in pediatric and adult offices soon. Currently the swine flu vaccine is in research and development. They say it will not be available this fall.

I was pregnant last year - delivered in late Oct. It was recommended that everyone in the house receive the flu vaccine since we would have a newborn. We all will be vaccinated again this year, including my infant.

Hope that helps.

Hi M.,

I am in your same boat with a toddler at home and I am expecting in November. As far as the physicians that I have spoken to about getting the vaccine - it's not available and the CDC does NOT have a date when it's going to be ready, they are saying Fall which can mean September or even November. High risk patients will be the first in line and since we are pregnant we are considred high risk. I can't recall the age range for kids but some are in that high risk category, not all kids.

I'm waiting just like you so let's hope they have something really soon!!!