J.T. asks from Olympia, WA on January 10, 2010
Single Dad Needing Help with Abc's and Numbers.
So im on mamapedia, and i'm a dad. I really need help from some of yall. I just got custody of my 4 and a half year old daughter who had been secluded by her grandparents in Montana. She has had no interaction with an adult that is willing to teach her until now. I have tried A, B, C, and D for about 10 days now and she can only tell me what A, and C are. Is this normal? I have her grab any letter she wants and then try and tell me what that letter is, and she just cries. She can be in the happiest mood before until i try and teach her what the letter or even number in front of her is until it comes to the flash cards. I actually have tried some previous threads of advice and she can count candy pieces but not the amount of letters or numbers in front of her. I don't know if it is intimidation or something or if she actually never got any guidance on education. I need your help and advice, PLEASE!
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M.M. answers from Eugene on January 11, 2010
Hi J. - don't give up! You are doing the right thing in wanting to help her...just maybe take a break on trying to get her to tell you the letters/numbers. Focus more right now on reading fun, engaging stories to her and spending time with her. When you are driving around point out a stop sign and say "stop - s, t, o, p" and other things like that at random without making her repeat it or asking anything of her. If you spend enough time showing her that letters are fun, she will want to join in. Besides, she will still be absorbing everything you say and do.
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M.G. answers from Chicago on January 10, 2010
If she's 4, a good preschool program would be ideal. Don't worry about education, worry about playing! She might love preschool, with friends and activities. And, they do learn letters there while they play. The local park district is often inexpensive, and good. 3 days a week is plenty. Look for play-based.
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M.B. answers from Chicago on January 10, 2010
You should try to singing the ABC's and when she does say a letter right make a big deal out of it. You said she really hasn't had much attention like this so you do not want it to be negative. When I sit down with my 3 1/2 yr old to work on her writing skills she loves it when I yell 'you did it' or 'yeah' then give her a high five. I also reward her.. nothing big... my daughter really likes stickers and fake tattoos so if she learns something new I give her one. Remember it is very difficult and new for her already so be patient.
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C.W. answers from Lynchburg on January 10, 2010
I do not have a 'magic' answer for you...EXCEPT to say that a 'child's work' is PLAY!
I am NOT a big believer in flash cards...
I AM a believer in allowing...and being 'available' to a relationship (with a child...or others...) in the 'here and now'...
Let your child 'play'...relax...grow to 'know' her...and allow her to 'know' you...
cat/michele
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M.B. answers from Seattle on January 11, 2010
J.,
Good for you for getting custody of your daughter. I was raised by my dad.
My first reaction is stop!!! stop!! stop!!! forcing her to learn. Like you said yourself she's been secluded from people and none of them have interacted with her the way you are. Take itty bitty baby steps. Play games with her. Show her that you love her unconditionally. Play more games. Give her a strong support base and a safe harbor. Make it absolutely clear to her that she has every right to have a complete and total meltdown at home, that home is safe and she can unload as needed. Love her.
At four years old she should be able to easily identify up to groups of four things. But I wouldn't push learning. Provide the opportunities but let it be her idea to do these things. As a parent of two kids one of the hardest things for my competitive spirit is to let things go. My two year old still speaks mostly in baby babble/toddlerese and not many understand her. It's very hard for me to accept that she's not clearly verbal like many (in my mind all) of her peers can be understood. I have to tell myself often to let it go and that she's excelled in other areas and her speech will come.
Remember too, this little girl has recently been ripped away from everything she's known and placed in a completely unfamiliar environment. Yes she's probably desperate for "education" but she's also desperate to get her feet solidly on the ground again and relearn which way is up.
By the time they finish Kindergarten they can all read and write. My son is six, misses the age cut off here by 6 weeks so is one of the older kids in his class. He's been able to read since he was 4, but his handwriting just wasn't there. He wasn't interested. Since September when school started until now I've seen a huge improvement in his writing. At the district school fair I went to last year I talked to his teacher and she said that they get the whole gamut of abilities.
They're little for such a short amount of time. LET them be little. Adults spell "Love" L-O-V-E. Kids spell love T-I-M-E. I would introduce her to the joys of parks and playgrounds instead of the tedium of learning.
Sorry for the length,
M.
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K.L. answers from Spokane on January 11, 2010
Hello J.,
Well I am glad you have your daughter and willing to teach her.
I used to tutor children of your daughters age on up and as many have said......Make it fun for her. Personally with such a big change in her life, try not to teach her to much at once. If she is more comfortable with numbers stick with that until she masters that. If she can count to 10 that is good enough. Let her master counting to 10 before you go higher. If I am not mistaken by the "end" of kindergarten they need only master up to 20. When cooking dinner have her help you with getting the potatoes, say something like "Daddy sure could use your help with dinner, would you get me 4 potatoes?" then be there while she is getting them and YOU count them as she is getting them. Then as you wash them you can hand them back to her to put on the table to be wrapped. Saying 1 potato, 2 potato, 3 potato and so on. Then as you wrap them do the same thing. As you put them in the oven again, the same thing and maybe ask her to count along with you. If she doesn't don't worry, just continue counting. Chances are how ever, she will count with you. Later after she is ready for you to introduce her A B C's to her. You can count AND sing the A B C's and when you get to "P" you go P P is for potato and pick up the potato. Do this with EVERYTHING you do. Then later on you can "show" her a "P". get those magnet letters for your fridge, and start showing her the letter that goes with the object. Like if you are getting out "1" Apple, you count 1 Apple and after you get the Apple just go to the letters and point out "A" A is for Apple. But like I said start out with numbers if that is what she is comfortable with and as you feel she is ready add the other stuff. Don't get frustrated if she doesn't take to it. Just go back to numbers and "occasionally" add in the letter. Even if you think she isn't paying attention...just say it once or twice and move on even if she doesn't engage in it. But I think you will find that she will. Also associate it with her name. Some times it isn't as important to keep the alphabet in "alphabetical" order. Teach her her name first. For instance. Put her name on the fridge and say Oh Look! Your name is right here! Say for instance it is "Amanda", Say Amanda, A M A N D A! Amanda! other things you can do is sing the alphabet and as you come across each letter in her name pull it out and place them on the fridge to spell out her name. Soon enough she will start pulling the letters out for you. (arrange the letters in order on the fridge first) You must do things like this every day. Be creative and have "fun" with it. If it starts getting frustrating for either of you, stop, and try again later.
Keep in mind that at her age you will only be able to keep her attention as far as "teaching" her something for only about 15 minutes "if" your lucky. That's why it is important to do this through out the day this way it doesn't seem like you are teaching her where she feels she has to pay attention to just that. It just becomes part of the activities that you do through out the day.
Hope this helps. Forgive me if I've rambled I just got up about 5 minutes ago! I don't think the birds are awake yet! .......you can always email me if you like.
Good luck
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G.R. answers from Spokane on January 11, 2010
Hey J. - We are all glad that you have come to join us on here (there are other dads who come on too)! I can tell you one major thing... relax, it is your job to be a loving parent - not the full time teacher. She has and continues to go through adjustment of moving from grandparents to you. This takes time (sometimes years). Encourage her with reading to her and doing more play time, helping cook dinner, etc. These are ways to help get the same thing across but in a less threatening way for her. Check into the Head Start program or preschools in your area. These will help open the door to expose (not demand teach) her socially as well as beginning letters/numbers. Your daughter will have plenty of time in school over the next 12 plus years, let her enjoy being a kid and enjoy spending time with her dad. These are the memories that she will cherish for years to come and they are PRICELESS!!!! Dont stress about it, just enjoy it! God Bless
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S.H. answers from Seattle on January 11, 2010
I'm sorry that she has obviously been through some hard transitions.
My advice to you is to keep it simple and fun. Get her some preschool games. Nearly all of them are designed for learning numbers and letters. We got one for our son that is put out by Little Einsteins. It's a puzzle, matching, number game and he loves it. Sing silly songs with her and sneak in the ABC's song and "Ten Little Monkeys" and the like. There are sooooooo many kids CD's out there with silly learning songs on them if you don't have a personal arsenal already. Read with her every day and encourage her to make up stories in picture books and with her toys. Engage her imagination and teach her how to use it.
Don't let her get too involved in TV, but let her have a little time with preschool focused programing and watch the programs with her. Dora the Explorer is a good one because Dora asks for help and your little one can "help" Dora solve problems, go places and help others by interacting with the program. Also, Leap toys are great. Each one has a slightly different approach to teaching numbers, letters, colors, sight words, writing, etc. and some are even bi-lingual.
Coloring pretty pictures will help her develop fine-motor skills that are needed for writing. Play is designed to help kids learn. Play with her in everything. This will give her much needed social skills and help her develop a greater sense of self esteem and help the two of you to continue to bond and help her feel safe and loved, which she clearly is.
I will be praying for the two of you. Please give an update on how you are both doing. Kudos to you, Dad.
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P.M. answers from Portland on January 10, 2010
I completely agree with the advice to back off on the alphabet and numbers. Your daughter is only 4 1/2, and play is what will teach her the most about how to be a happy person, how to be in relationship with others, how to solve problems.
It's likely that your daughter already knows how to use her imagination, stay curious and engaged. When you notice how her happy mood goes away and she becomes tense and unhappy when you quiz her, you're being given important information.
A focus on learning letters and numbers at this age is only likely to backfire to your daughter's detriment. These skills come early and easily to some kids, and not until much later for others. But those other kids may be way ahead in other developmental areas. Your daughter will get on the educational treadmill soon enough. Please let her enjoy her childhood now.
If you work on anything with her, make it conversation. Help her build her communication skills and learn to express herself, freely and exuberantly. The quality of a child's vocabulary is the single best predictor of success in school.
If you google "the importance of play in early childhood," you'll get links to the latest research. Here's just one: http://www.buzzle.com/articles/importance-of-play-in-earl...
Congratulations on getting custody of your little girl. It sounds like this is still a very new situation. I hope you'll give both of you time to let your relationship blossom. My best to you.
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H.D. answers from Portland on January 11, 2010
Hi J.,
I think that one of the questions in your post resonated for me: "is this normal?". From your description of your daughter's life in Montana, I'd say it sounds as though her life has been pretty atypical, but teaching comes in many forms.
It sounds as though your little girl has had some monumental changes in her life; you don't say what's happened with her mother, and she's just left her two primary caregivers. I can't imagine how frightening that must be. I also understand how, as her father, you are trying to get her caught up. Nonetheless, her most primary needs are to be addressed before you can go any further. She needs to feel unconditionally loved and secure and that may take a while for her because of this enormous change for her. One way to get help would be to address this with a counselor who specializes in working with children. Even the most loving parents with the best of intentions can use a hand from time to time, and counselors can often provide an emotionally safe haven for children.
As for education, let me give you some information you might find a huge relief: a recent poll of kindergarten teachers and the corresponding analysis concluded that what these teachers need most from the children is not academic, but largely self-help and social cooperation. Namely, this means that children know how to put on their shoes, coats, operate their zippers and buttons and other skills we adults take for granted, as well as taking turns, being able to follow the teacher's cues, etc. As teachers, ( I teach preschool) it takes far more of our time to teach these skills than it does to teach more academic ones, which seem to come easily when the child is ready.
My advice would be to back up on the flash cards and just get some time together with your little girl. Focus on the fun things around you and read, read, read. Believe me, reading to children is better than flash cards when it comes to sparking interest. If you are concerned about her name recognition, you can use construction paper to cut out big letters of her name for her to color/sticker and then hang her name up where she can see it. You can use letter beads on a cord to make her name and let her add beads on for her own name necklace. You can make nametags for the places she hangs her coat or places her shoes, etc.--in short, a gentle immersion is less likely to be upsetting to her than something as demanding as flash cards. Sing the entire alphabet to her and find toys like puzzles to help. and then, relax. She's got a lot of catching up to do right now, and the alphabet isn't her first priority.
One more thing, and I know you didn't ask for this, but I'd like to suggest a book that may be extremely helpful for your family: "The Good Enough Parent" by Bruno Bettelheim. There are a lot of gray areas in any parent/ child relationship, and this books tends be very, very encouraging as well as enlightening. I do hope you check it out; I've gained so much knowledge through his very pragmatic and thoughtful approach to raising children.
My best to you!
PS--Please don't use rewards...I know it was suggested, but it just makes the situation heartbreaking when kids can't "earn" the treat. And it's a terrible way to develop a teaching relationship.
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B.O. answers from Portland on January 10, 2010
I am graduating in June with my degree in Early Childhood Education. You have received some great advice so far. Children learn through PLAY. You can also read books to her to first introduce the love of reading and literacy. Burn those flash cards, because they are worthless. Children learn best and faster through meaningful interactions and play. You are intimidating her with your methods...It sounds like she has been away from you for quite some time....I would work first on building a trusting relationship with her.(through KIND,PATIENT,WARM interactions) She has been removed from her primary caregivers of 4 years, that has got to be devastating for her.
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