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Help with Dishonesty

My 9 year old son has had a problem over the last few year with no being honest. We have tried grounding; we have tried sentences, taking things away etc. I am not sure what else to do. I thought we were over this stage but I was mistaken. Recently my son went on a fieldtrip with his daycare. I gave him $10 spending money and told him that it was for him (not his friends) and he was not to buy candy and soda. It was for a treasure. If he did not find anything then we would save it and buy more fireworks. When he got home he said that he had bought me a postcard. When I asked for my change he said he did not have any. He claims the card cost his almost $9 and the rest he put into a fund for the park. He promised that he has bought nothing else. He made up this huge story about how he asked why it cost so much etc. So I called and checked the price. It was $.75. We confronted him on it. I told him that I was so worried that they had taken advantage of a 9 year old I called to verify the price. He still claimed it was $9. After telling him we were going to have a meeting with the park and we were going to have them check their records and disciplinary actions would be taken etc etc he finally told us more. His store still does not completely add up. However, when he was asked why he did not just tell me he said that he did not want to make me mad and get in trouble when I told him just before he got on the bus the rules for the money. It is now time for consequences and I have no idea. We have tried everything and nothing is getting this to stop. I know that some of this is normal, but I fear when he becomes a teen and this is more of a problem. Is anyone going through this, or has gone through this that might have some suggestions? I am looking for reasonable consequences and how to get him to stop.

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I haven't had this problem but I wonder if not making as big a deal of it might be something to try. He's still only 9. Just tell him you know he's lying when he does, and tell him that approach won't work, and then go on with life. I am very big on not making kids feel BAD about things they do wrong. A person's behavior may need changing, but that does not make him a bad person.

People usually feel the need to defend themselves and NOT change when you make them feel too bad about themselves.

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Hi C.,

You are not alone. My granddaughter is 7 and she is falling into the dishonesty. I feel they are looking for attention and will go any length to get it. I sat down with Ariana and told her that people will not like her or want to spend time with her if she lies. I also advised her she will get into more trouble by lieing then telling the truth.

When he does something well start to praise him so he will want to please you more.

Hope this helps.

N. Marie
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This time instead of taking things away pile on a bunch of chores that he doesn't like doing and write a story on why not to lie anfd how important telling the truth is.

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Dear C.,

I think a reasonable consequence is to make a list of chores around the house and yard, put a price on each chore and have your son work on the list until your $10.00 is repaid. This would be for telling the lie, not for having a good time at a park.

Teaching your children to be truthful is important. I have a concern for any parent who feels that being a good liar is an attribute--it isn't.

In your specific case I have this comment, your son was going on a field trip to a park. Sounds like you are a shopper who would tend to buy souviners rather then food, games or rides?? When I go to an amusement park, I like to eat my way through the day....hot dogs, fries, strawberry short cake, lemonade, etc...(I call it fair food) and I don't like to buy what you refer to as "treasures". When my son was 9, he was into the rides and games and food was last on the list.

This was suppose to be a field trip for you son and not you. He sounds like the kind of boy who would share with his friends and that's a good thing unless he's buying friends attention with money. I wouldn't put my preferences on him when he's on a FUN trip. So maybe the next time he's going to an amusement park, you could have him earn his OWN money and he can spend it the way he likes...(within reason).

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You have so many responses, I feel hesitant to add.
But I feel that this is important.
One thing to remember when dealing with kids this old and about to get older is:

punishment usually does NOT encourage greater honesty,
it usually makes the person hide their actions more

( and as they enter teenage years-this is something you REALLY want to avoid)

That said, explanation of CONSEQUENCES ( as opposed to punitive action on your part)
is very important. You should have a conversation with your son and explain to him that you cannot stop him from lying BUT when he does, and you will find out that he is lying,
and the natural consequence of lying is: he loses your trust. Thats the truth.
And you could even tell him how sad you are when you can't trust your own son.
Then together come up with a solution. And ask him how he is feeling, and maybe, maybe he has some reasons for using the money how he did. Ask him about it, try to see it from his point of view,(did he really want something sweet? maybe together you guys could talk about when is appropriate time for him to have sweets- or maybe he can get natural soda instead of coke, etc.)

not to say it was okay what he did- but to understand and have compassion for what he might be going through, AND still let him know how it has affected YOU.
Turn this into a really great learning experience in getting to know your son better, and teaching him to get to know himself better and to understand YOU better.
good luck.

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C.,

Your son is 9 years old, so I agree with your desire to help him understand right from wrong. It's important. He's old enough to just ask him for an explanation, as you've done, and he's also old enough for you to doubt him if what he tells you is far fetched. He needs to know this! On the other hand, what has he done with the money? Are there any bully kids in his class pressuring him to give it to him? This might explain missing money and his lies, as he's possibly been threatened by them not to tell. Also, maybe he is searching for some of your attention, given you have a baby and another one on the way. Make sure he gets some quality time. Keep up your efforts, even in discussion with a professional or trusted doctor, and make him aware honesty is an important quality.

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I think Gma A hit on an important point about siblings. You had a baby just over a year ago, you have another one on the way, and you are in school. It sounds to me like your son is looking for your attention. Perhaps you could make a special day where it is all about him, you give him 100% of your attention all day. And make triple sure he knows that when the new baby comes that you will love him just as much.

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well, I think the restraints you put on him were unfair. You told him no candy or treats and not to spend it on his friends, only to use it for a special treasure. What if there wasn't anything he wanted to buy besides cotton candy? If you gave it TO HIM TO USE FOR HIS OWN FUN, he should be free and clear to make good and bad decisions about it and be able to express how he felt about spending it afterwards, for both good or bad decisions, with you guiding him and his choices and explaining your opinion afterwards. I think you put conditions on money you gave him "for himself" to get some pleasure out of a day of fun, and he got just that out of it. But because of the constraints you chose to place on that money, he cannot share that with you. If you give him money, and then earmarked it for specifics, he doesn't want you to think he is not being responsible so he tells you what you want to hear. The more you push him, the more he will deny he did anything wrong because he truly fears disappointing you and knows you are checking him because you already don't trust him, so he will continue a pattern of lying unless you fix how you approach him.

Maybe what you need to do is establish an allowance for him as a reward for "telling the truth and doing chores on time and general good behavior." Set it for a reasonable amount so that he can actually buy things that make him (or his friends) happy. The only constraint I would put on that system would be to have him pick a charity to donate 10% a month to, and 10% to save. The rest can be spent on treats when you go to the movies or for extra spending money with his friends. You can also teach him about saving and using his math skills by setting up a bank account and teaching him how to use it online.

I think $10-20 a month is a reasonable amount for a 7-12 year old.

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I haven't had this problem but I wonder if not making as big a deal of it might be something to try. He's still only 9. Just tell him you know he's lying when he does, and tell him that approach won't work, and then go on with life. I am very big on not making kids feel BAD about things they do wrong. A person's behavior may need changing, but that does not make him a bad person.

People usually feel the need to defend themselves and NOT change when you make them feel too bad about themselves.

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I think the thing to talk to him about the most is peer pressure. I am sure that he probably just bought the things that the other kids were buying and at this age he will have trouble doing "the responsible thing," which in this case was waiting until the end of the day to buy his special present. It was probably hard for him to make the correct choice. I would try to give him more choices which would be buy a healthy snack or a prize which ever he prefers. But most of all let him know that even if he does the wrong thing, you will not punish him if he is honest with you. Once you build the trust foundation it will help your relationship and carry you through the years ahead, the pre-teens. It is very important that he know that you trust him and give him opportunities to gain your trust and in the long run, it will help him make better decisions.

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Hi C..
It's never -easy- to stop the lying. But, what I have works best for me and my sons is back tracking. What makes a person want/need to lie? Your son already told you. This is actually great news! You have a strong enough relationship he is communicating and trusting you with the information. (Versus shuffling his feet and remaining silent because he is afraid it'll get worse if he fesses up completely and reveals he knows what he did was wrong, or the usual 'I don't know'...)
You may have already done it and just not mentioned it here; but, I'm thinking you need to thank your son for thinking of you and buying the postcard. This should have been Step 1 - acknowledgement of his thoughtfulness. This is thoughtful behavior you want to encourage and not have the thought get lost in the quest for discipline/punishment.
Step 2: Acknowledge his willingness to share with others, if that's where the money was spent. Again, encouraging the thoughtful behavior. And, at 9 it's a good way to get positive reinforcement from his friends -- very, very typical.
Step 3: Remind him he must have self-discipline about his money or you will not be able to trust him with that amount again.
Moving forward, you may want to give him less spending money. Explain to him you will only give him a little bit more than he needs each time. When he shows he can save his money or return it as instructed, you will begin giving him more of it. Until then, you may want to encourage him to tell you the truth (with the understanding lying will give him greater punishment than the wrongdoing he was lying about). After making this the rule, and with the complete understanding this is what will happen the next time (so it's fair to him, and he has repeated back to you so there's no misunderstanding).
The main thing to keep in mind is we want to encourage the good behavior at the same time as curb the non-desired behavior. Once he sees you appreciate his other actions, and that the truth will help get him out of additional punishment, he is more likely to give it a whirl.
Good luck! AND, you're right. It's better to fix it now than deal with bigger stuff later. :)
K.

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