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Almost 4 Yr Old Son Having Problems in Preschool

Hi Moms: My son will be 4 in November. He started a full-day daycare/preschool this summer. I then switched him to one closer to home where he would be with kids he will eventually go to elementary school with. The teachers have been working with him, but he NEEDs to sit on a teacher's lap to be able to sit quietly and listen during 'group time and story time'. He has trouble focusing on the task at hand, which I saw first-hand while trying to get him to do homework (tracing and writing the letter A a and tracing straight lines top to bottom and left to right). The childcare center is asking that we take him to a different center since they don't have the resources for him and he is also hitting other kids and himself. He WAY overreacts at small things (like dropping a spoonful of his dinner or pencil on the floor). He has never used scissors before, but there is concern over his fine motor skills (holding the crayon and the scissors). In general, they are concerned about his social skills (side by side play at school, but I've never seen this, he plays just fine with strangers at the playground) and an apparent developmental delay (fine motor skills).
Now, he watches entirely TOO much TV, which my husband thinks contributes to this. I know I haven't tried to make him use a crayon properly or to write letters (I didn't do that until 1st grade). In addition to going to the doctor and maybe having an in school evaluation, we will probably try to cut out all sugar and refined bread products (pasta, white bread).

Has anyone else had a nearly 4 year old son who overreacted to little things and had trouble focusing on tasks?
Help!! Advice, personal experience, anything.

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Apparently there was another kid who was sort of instigating things. He is no longer there and my son is doing better. The preschool set up 3 evaluations by the Judy Center, 2 have been done. The Director wanted to have evaluations of the 2 teachers and herself on 3 separate days, partly because my son wasn't the only student with problems, there are a couple other boys, too. We are supposed to be getting a call from Parents as Teachers after the evaluations so they can come to our house and help us address any issues. We still need to figure out how to get him to sit still during group time without having to be on a teacher's lap. Keep your fingers crossed for us! Thanks to all the Mom's who sent advice, it was quite helpful.

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Well first off there is no age for crayons my daughter has been using them since she was like 2 yrs old it prepares them for pencils. I think you need to help with these things at home. Read to him each evening setting on the bed. Not on you but next to you. This will help. good luck

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B.

Get him out of that preschool! Not because there is anything wrong w/ him, but because there is something terribly wrong with that school! Homework? Wow. Developmentally your little guy is right on track, perfectly normal. The very first thing I thought of while reading your post is that your son's hitting and such is a reaction to the stress he is feeling from being overwhelmed in his situation. A full day, full time preschool is an awful lot to handle, especially at his young age. And a facility which is more focused on unrealistic, unnecesary, age-inappropriate standards is probably more than he can handle and may end up laying the groundwork for much bigger problems than are happening right now. You are NOT A BAD MOM and he is NOT A BAD BOY! He will learn to use scissors and crayons in a more mature way when he is more mature. Right now, "properly" using these items means using them in the way that is natural for him, if at all. When he is ready to learn to write letters or copy lines or cut he will. If you have those things availible when he shows an interest is a good time to introduce. Forcing them before he is ready creates a feeling of inadequacy and frustration that such a little person should not have to endure. There are plenty of other ways and lots of time yet to develop fine motor skills, etc., etc. His age group benefits most from a learning style in which teachable moments are taken when presented and they can happen when taking a walk, cooking dinner, riding in the car, shopping, everyday moments. Being forced to sit for a lesson plan is a completely unnatural style of learning for a small child and will usually not result in the desired effect b/c the child will naturally resist. My daughter just turned 4 10 days ago and she sounds very similiar to your son! She needs a lot of individualized attention and is very "passionate" in her approach to life! This is just her personality type no matter what, as is probably the case with your son. However, when I am asking too much from her (my expectations are too high for where she is developmentally), or she is in an otherwise overwhelming situation her personality can explode. I manage this part of her behavior pattern best by better assesing my own behavior and expectations, and trying to be respectful of who she is right now. It can be stressful and very difficult when you have a spirited child but it can also be soooooo much fun when you embrace them for who they are.

They learn so much just being awake and alive everyday. If it is neccesary for your child to be in full time care my suggestion would be to look into a different type of school that embraces a learning/teaching style that follows a child's natrual learning style and psychology like Waldorf or Montessori Schools, instead of one that focuses more on academic standards. I have a feeling your son will be much more succesful and more importantly, much happier in that type of environment, and so will you. No matter what make sure that he is not, or does not feel punished for is lack of "success" in THIS preschool, and that you don't punish yourself for not raising your child to these wacky standards.
Best of luck!
S.

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You're not a bad mommy. You're just trying to do what this crazy society thinks is appropriate for a child your son's age. He's not even 4 yet and he's supposed to be doing all the skills you're describing in your message? Wow! Well, there may be some kids who are ready to do all of that when they're 3, but very few. You said yourself that you didn't do some of this stuff until 1st grade. That's 7 years old! Your son is telling you (through the behavioral "issues" he's displaying) that he's not ready. If I were you, I'd have him start pre-school next year and just let him play some more this year. He sounds like he needs a little more time to just play until he's ready to do all the stuff they're requiring of him in class. What's the rush? He'll catch on a lot quicker when he has another year under his belt. He'll be more confident and happy. And, most importantly, it's no reflection on his "intelligence." He's probably channeling the energy he needs for these tasks into his growth or other aspects of his kid-ness. As a mommy, you see his behavior as cues to what you need to do next. Don't let the social pressure of having your son in school keeping up with other kids (who are probably mostly older than him anyway) keep you from doing what your son is asking you to do, slow down. Good luck!

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B.,

You sound like you are describing my son (who is now almost 7) when he was that age. The preschool he went to said he behaved the exact same way. They didn't request he go elsewhere - thank goodness - but he did all the same things your son is. BUT, we didn't think it was too much of a problem until he started first grade and then all hell broke loose.

In retrospect, we should have had him evaluated right then and there in kindergarten, but we simply didn't know that the symptoms we were looking at were possibly the symptoms of something more than just a normal immature 4 y/o.

When he started 1st grade, everything you described just intensified to such an extreme that the teacher called us only 2 weeks into the school year and he was just being such a terror. He was getting very aggressive, argumentative, wouldn't do his work, and yet still wanted to sit on or next to the teacher at all times. He wanted to be the teachers helper all the time and couldn't understand when he was told to sit down or whatever.

Anyway, we put him in therapy right away. Honestly, we thought it was some sort of anger management for a 5 y/o. And we were at a loss as what to do with him. Believe me, we felt like horrible parents at that point. The therapist helped but she said he should be evaluated for possible ADHD or even possible autism. This totally freaked us out - the autism part. So immediately, I went into research mode and found that these two diagnoses have very very similar characteristics, so it was no wonder the therapist said to get him checked. We attempted to get into Johns Hopkins Kennedy Kreiger (they're one of the best childrens facilities in the country) but their wait list was around 18 months. I was frantic and was concerned he would fail 1st grade while we were waiting. I also contacted Mt Washington Pediatric Hospital (excellent rating as well) in Baltimore and although it took 6 months (6 loooong months) we got in and after the evaluation, they diagnosed him as ADHD. With their help, help from the therapist and our pediatrician, we agreed to try medication. It worked wonders. We've been very very lucky in that there have been no side effects but the meds have truly made a difference. Within 2 weeks, he was moved up into higher math and reading classes in school and the teacher (who worked so hard to make it as easy as possible for him the whole year - she was a saint!) was very thankful that we were to active and pushing to find something that would help our son be the wonderful boy we knew was in there.

OK, I'm not trying to push medication, I just know that we know what Duncan is like off his meds. He isn't happy with himself either since he just can't control all his impulses. Meds works for us and for Duncan. There are alternative therapies out there which I think do have merit, I just think each family has to decide for themselves what is the best route. BUT, you have to get to a doc and talk to them about these symptoms and see what if anything is going on.

It is hard, stressful, and scary going through all this but the earlier you attend to this, the better - but keep in mind. It often takes weeks/months to get appointments with psychiatrists who are the ones who make the diagnoses, so this is not a quick process which makes it harder because each day your getting more and more stressed because the behavior is still so out of control.

I wish you luck and please feel free to contact me if you have any questions or just want to talk. (sorry this is so long!!)

Julie

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I agree that he simply may not be mature enough yet for full-day preschool. That's not saying there's anything wrong with him or with your parenting -- maturity comes along at different times for different children.

As someone mentioned, it couldn't hurt to have him evaluated by the child find program, but probably he's just still immature for a full-day setting that requires him to (a) move from activity to activity when the group does and (b) not react so emotionally when little things go wrong. Those abilities are criticial to coping in kindergarten, so many preschools do rightly emphasize them, but he sounds like he's just not there yet.

He may need a day care or preschool that focuses on socialization and play and doesn't get around to forming letters etc. for a while yet. He would probably do better in a half-day, socialization-based preschool than a full-day program where he has less "down time" that's not organized for him. You may have to do a lot of shopping around, visiting and sitting in on preschool classes and talking frankly with the directors.

And definitely turn off the TV--how many studies have shown that TV revs up young brains, especially in kids 3 and under? (There was an article in the Post about it again recently.) The time he now spends on TV, spend interacting with him -- drawing and coloring (yes, that's holding a crayon, but not necessarily making letters), crafting (great for motor skills and can be as simple as spreading glue on paper and sticking it together) and having play dates. Does he have other kids he sees regularly for play dates at your home or theirs and at the park, or does he just meet up with kids he doesn't know at the park, play and go home? Play dates or play groups are good, controlled, one-on-one ways to start getting kids to share better, play both alongside and with others, etc.

I know this is a tough prescription if you are in school full-time or working full-time. But it sounds like he might benefit from day care or preschool that is not full-day, and like he might need more play dates and adult interaction.

One other thing -- he's not all that far from kindergarten age. If he is not totally ready for kindergarten when the time comes, if he cannot follow directions from someone who is not you, if he frustrates very easily, if he still hits other children, if he has difficulty moving from activity to activity without upset -- do not send him to kindergarten at that time. You do not have to start him just because he's five. If he's not mature enough it's much healthier for him to hold him out for another year of preschool than to send him for a nightmare year of kindergarten. I know I've seen postings on here by moms who said they never regretted keeping a child home another school year before starting. And friends of ours sent their son, who was off the charts on intelligence tests, to kindergarten when he was not socially ready for it and the result was a tough first four years of school. Smart isn't what matters at kindergarten decision time; being ready to move with the group and listen are. Do what you think is right for him at that time and pay attention to his maturity level, not whether other kids his age are all going to kindergarten. Good luck.

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homework at 3? good gravy. sure, improve his diet and if you are really concerned have him evaluated but i would change schools. not because they asked but because they are obviously not a good fit. all kids have environment in which they will learn/play best. your son might do better with smaller class sizes, less focus on academics but keeping focus on age appropriate skills, perhaps one with more outside time? my dd is in a home daycare and they are working with a little boy who came with zero self control and he has just flourished with the small 'class' and warm personal attention. since your son isn't going to kindergarten next year (i assume) you might try a smaller environment with a less rigorous academic curriculum. learning your letters before learning self-control is really backwards. someone recommended 'raising your spirited child' and i second that rec. good luck!

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Is he always unfocused or only if he doesn't enjoy the task? We ended up pulling our then 3yr old out of preschool because he was the only one who could not sit still for circle and chapel. There were 15 kids in the class and he needed a smaller, shorter group. (I was fortunate to be a SAHM) He also would not hold his pencil "correctly". He hated transitions,is sensitive to loud noises and heaven forbid if his banana or cookie broke while he was eating. He is not exactly athletic either. We had him evaluated with Child find and he tested "normal". At almost 6 he has improved(matured) greatly. But the issues are still there; the Kindergarten teacher has already asked for a meeting.
I highly recommend reading "Raising your Spirited Child" by Mary Sheedy Kurcinka. It has some great insights and reminds you that you are not a bad mom. I was laughing and crying at the same time as I was reading and recognized the behaviors and realized I was not the only one:) I have also begun to realize how alike he and I really are. And take the Daycare's advice to find someone who understands and can work with him.

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B.,

I like all of your ideas regarding the TV and the diet. Although the preschool may be pushing him too much (my three year old would not be able to handle scissors- that seems strange) they HAVE seen lots of kids come through their door. If they think there is an issue, why not get him checked out? It can't do any harm. Better to deal with this now. Good luck to you!

I think when kids are 3, they are still babies. They need time. What's wrong with a snuggle or a cuddle? I think he has learned to manipulate the system to his advantage - if I act up, I get to sit in teacher's lap.

The boy is 3. He isn't going to act like a 4 year old. There is a HUGE difference between 4 year olds and 3 year olds. Boys are notoriously behind both socially and physically. They don't have the motor skills. They don't have many of the social skills. I'd be sure to hold him back in school - he would turn 6 in kindergarten if he were mine - I did this with my own son and don't regret it for a second.

His overreaction is probably because he is stressed out. He's trying to be like the other kids and he is just NOT ready.

As for fine motor - please... scissors at age 3? I think not. My children weren't exposed to scissors until age 5 when they went to kindergarten - and that's when my oldest cut my youngest's curls off....

I'd have him tested - just to prove to myself and everyone else that he's 3. My son had many ear infections and because he couldn't hear, he missed some developmental milestones. We put him in Karate at the doc's advice and were very structured at home. He focused his energy in a positive way. He learned how to deal with people. He caught up - no problem. He is now a sweet and very motivated 16 year old who is getting ready to go off to college in just over a year...

I'd also move him to a more age appropriate facility. He is 3. He doesn't need to be tracing letters or doing homework. He is a child... he needs to play and be a kid. There is plenty of time for school work - LATER.

YMMV
LBC

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