A.C. asks from Reading, PA on May 07, 2008
My Mother Is Out of Control How Should I Handle This?
My mother and step father always expects my husband to do free work for them.My husband would give the shirt off his back except they are out of control. My husband's job is very demanding he is on call all the time and required to be in a fourty-five minute response time.
My mom and step father asked my husband to install commerical heat and air conditioning for them,the job is out of response range so he couldn't go to work if he got called in,if he doesn't respond to 30% he could lose his job. he told them last year he can't afford to take off work because things are really tight.(one income)Against his wishes he did half the job last fall(put the heat in).he told them they would have to hire someone for the rest. All the while they were extremely rude about it,we were moving at the time and killing ourselves remodeling the new house our tenants destroyed with the two toddlers in tow.
we needed to sell one house because we were majorly behind from the tenants not paying.they called us yelling about it everyday expecting him to work on it at nite after work, he goes to work at 5 am.we were already working on the other house every nite till midnight. They treated us terrible they expected him to work on there projects friday nite and all weekend long but wouldn't help out with our kids.my husband has already done thousands and thousands of dollars of free work.
we have two houses so we had extra washer and dryer. My mom wanted to buy it for her tenant she came and picked it up that day,they even put it in my step dads shiny new truck he wouldn't put our furniture in the back off to help us move.they couldn't get them to work so they asked me to send my husband to look at it,when I told her no she freaked,finally I said look bring them back.
They returned them on my back porch to our old house late at night in the snow and told us 2 days later at 8 pm saying they didn't work.I knew they did, I was using them.I sold them to them for like nothing because it was my mom even though I needed the money desperately.before all this She gave me money to fix my house that I told her I will pay back when I sold it.I didn't ask for it.
She called me 2 months later to tell me that the outlet was broke and they must have worked all along. To bad she left my spare washer and dryer in the snow with water in it.The next week my dryer broke here.so I had to buy a new one,since they ruined my extra set, we asked to borrow one of their trucks to save money,they were to busy.
now they are expecting him to install central air conditioning in there commerical building for free.
he feels indebted to them, even after since we borrowed that money. He has since fixed more of there resturant equipment that is extremely expensive to fix.but we didn't ask to take that off the money we owe. At this point I don't think we should do anything for them,I am gonna pay them extra when I sell the other house for interest.Just so she can't use that as a another guilt trip.
they treat my husband like his work isn't worth anything they even called last week and asked him to return the unit he already partially installed,because the new guy couldn't understand the design.
They recently found out how much it was going to cost after they have treated us very badly for the last 6 months,now they want our help.
She wants what she wants yesterday but is not there when we need her. my husband just did $5000 worth of electrical work to there house last summer,they were suppose to fix our house in exchange for the electrical work, it took almost a year for my step dad to do it, meanwhile my house started to get mold from the leak in the brickwall.It cost us 3 times as much to fix from him taking so long.he knew we didn't have the money to hire someone and kept telling us he would be right over, my family could have gotten very sick.my mom knew it and felt bad so she bought us air purifiers big help!
My step father goes so far as to try to get him to do work for him for $200.00 on $3000.00 jobs on his weekend off on other people's houses so my step dad can make more money as the builder for the job. where does it end!
Am I wrong should he just do this last job? It is my mother. should we go out of our way for them? She will not take no for an anwser,I don't work for her anymore and she rarely see's my kids so she has no leverage against me,so at least she can't fire me if he doesn't do it.
nice family huh?please help, I want my kids to have grandparents but not at this expense.
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So What Happened?™
well guys, it finally hit the fan,last weekend my mother told my husband he had to do the air conditioning by friday,we told her he didn't have time. We were very busy last week and spent the entire weekend working on a dining room set we are refinishing for our friends as there wedding gift(it was already late). my husband and our friend the groom stopped for a beer at my mom's bar after finishing up the table.Shortly after my mom called my husband asking him what was said.My husband was like what are you talking about,I could see him getting uncomfortable,so I got on the phone,asked what the problem was.Bascially she told me a customer said he wasn't doing the job,that she couldn't believe we were helping our friends and not her,I was like it's there wedding present! That I wasn't getting involved in her bar gossip.she went on to tell me that I should get outta my husband's ass, that I am the most selfish child, that everyone at the bar is talking about this,she even tried to guilt me with my kids saying she watches them which she doesn't my grandmother does once a week she has no time for them. She said that I should just stay away from the family if I feel the way I do,that she always helps me and we never help her, she went as far to say that my husband didn't put the heat in this building one of her guys did which was a total lie,that she paid me twice what she actually did for my washer and dryer she ruined,I swear she has selective memory,she even said she came over here and helped spackle, which she did for 2 hours out of the 3 months because she had my husband over the shop installing the heat and she felt guilty because she was interfering with our place to live,but not guilty enough not ask for free work.I wish I could say I kept cool,she has some nerve thinking she can demand people around,we just didn't have time this weekend. If my husband who worked all weekend wants to sit down for 20 min and have a beer who the hell is she to say anything.unfortunetly she treats us like well, he's off today,no concern that he has to go to work if he gets called or that he will lose his job if he can't respond.what kinda mother does this stuff,we're just barely making it she could care less that we can't support our family without his very demanding job.Or that we can't afford to be out of response time(he works down near delaware) to do her job or that we live off overtime and can't pay our bills without it.or that my husband already works 50-70 hours a week.I never ask her for anything very much unlike my siblings she knows that.
Meanwhile she's rolling in money and can afford to pay someone to do work on her rental properties she's just being cheap.she brought up the money thing,I reminded her that it's a loan that I was told I didn't have to pay until I sold my house that I just listed. that i didn't ask her for it her offered it and it was only because she needed us to finish the construction on our house so my husband was free to install the heat at the shop.At this point I just feel emotionally drained.I have to put my family first,we have no problem helping when we can,but we don't make money off her bar or her rental properties she can't expect us to drop everything when a cooler breaks or she needs a smoker eater cleaned or fixed.or she needs new air conditioing installed. She expects him to do it at late nite,he gets up at 5am,or on his only day off. I honestly feel like it's just a relief not to have to talk to her because then she can't lay more guilt trips on me.Thanks for all your caring reponses.
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T.E. answers from Pittsburgh on May 08, 2008
It ends when you say it ends. I had a similar problem with my family. Yes you owe them money and you are going to pay it back but that doesn't mean you have to do favors in the mean time. Stop feeling guilty, you don't do favors for the bank when you owe them money. The Bible says that you are to LEAVE YOUR MOTHER AND FATHER AND CLEAVE TO YOUR HUSBAND. As hard as that mey be for you, you have to do it. They don't want to be grandparents and nothing you do for them will change that. It is a sad loss for the children, but you can not force people to do what you want. Good luck to you, your family will be in my thoughts and prayers. Blessings, T. E
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C.S. answers from Harrisburg on May 08, 2008
We have a similar problem with constant family requests for help. Once we found out we were pregnant we got some wonderful advice from a friend. We chose to make it our pact and stick to it. Our friend said that no matter what, make your immediate family your first priority and do what's best for eachother. When you got married you decided that eacother would be the most important and no longer your parents. So now we still try and help when we can but when we feel we're overwhelmed we ground eachother with the reality that we are most important to eachother and that's the most important thing to take care of. It really helped us not to feel so bad when we had to say no.
Of course you'll have to do your best to pay them back so they won't have it to hang over your head but...Perhaps you can make the same pact and feel comfortable knowing you are doing the right thing for your husband and children by putting them first. If your parents are never happy anyway no matter what you do then it's best to leave them upset and keep your home a happy one rather than upsetting two households.
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B.W. answers from Erie on May 08, 2008
Your "next-of-kin" is your husband, according to the law. then your children. Mom and Dad come after them now that you are married with kids.
I didn't catch the loan bit until late in your letter, but i would make every effort to pay the loan off as originally planned, and simultaneously work out what you and your husband have for goals for family life (you guys and kids) and financial.
You will need to draw clear boundaries, and you will have to tell your parents a very firm, "no", and stick to it. At the same time, you have to stop buying and selling between the families. Become two distinct families.
You may, however, if you have the energy, invite them over to dinner for social time. That might help take the sting out of the situation, by saying, "we want to be family, but we don't want to be used." Of course, family dinners may end up being times when they try to manipulate you guys into doing their work for them again.
the best thing you can do for your children is to bring them up in a loving home, with healthy family relationships all around. Being walked upon is not healthy, nor is staying up 24/7 to do your own chores and/or your parents. Your children will grow up copying your behavior, so if you don't want them to be manipulated as adults, you have to stop being manipulated.
You may lose your relationship with your parents, but it doesn't sound like much of a two-way street to me. It sounds like one heck of a burden on you, and it's time to stand on your won four feet (yours and his) and be independent. That means that you don't ask them for favors, either. and if the buildings are too expensive to own, sell them. Same goes for dad. If he can't afford to keep the building in repair, then he should sell it, not look for free labor to keep his commercial enterprise going.
We would all like to see our familial relationships as generous and we would all like to have the strength to be there for our parents on a regular basis. But they are way over-stepping the bounds of propriety here, and you need to simply say no. We can't. We have other plans for the evening.
And make plans for family time. Take the kids to the zoo. Go to the beach (when summer comes), etc. You need time to relax and enjoy each other as family. In 18 years, which sounds like forever away, your children will be up and grown, and you will have to bite your tongue rather than step on their toes. So the time to enjoy them, and to do things with them is now. Don't let mom and dad keep you so exhausted that you have very little to give to each other and your children.
Be firm. Be fair. Be consistent. Hold the line you draw in the sand, and simply say no. Avoid any shouting matches. Just be firm. Treat Mom as if she were a 2 yr old. Don't argue, don't give reasons or excuses. Just say, "we can't do that. We are too busy right now." And stick to it. It'll hurt. It'll be hard. But when they have stopped looking to you guys as free labor, then maybe you can get back to enjoying being a family that includes them as well. For now, be sure to have family time with your husband and kids. They are your most important human relationships.
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P.M. answers from Philadelphia on May 08, 2008
You and your husband sound like saints! You have put up with a lot for a long time. This sounds like a very toxic relationship. I can understand you wanting your children to know their grandparents, but it sounds like it is at the expense of your well being. I think they'd rather have a happy mom, than occasional visits from a grandmother.
My husband and I have had several problems with money and family. It has taken a huge toll on the quality of our relationships with family members. Everything is good now, but only after my husband and I decided that we will never lend money or co-sign for anything. I have a very responsible husband and we have black marks on our credit only because of family issues. If we are asked again, we are going to say that we have been burned in the past and that our relationship is too important to let money get in the way.
Can you say to your mom that your relationship is very important to you and that the repairs and work on both ends are destroying your relationship? Can you ask that to save your relationship, both of you will stop asking for any work from each other? That you would like to return to a simple mother daughter relationship and you'll leave the work to some one else. Maybe your husband could swap work with a contractor if money is tight.
I have found that writing a letter is sometimes more effective than talking. There is no interrupting, yelling etc. and you get the persons full attention. You can word things exactly how you want them without the heat of the moment effecting the argument.
If nothing else works, I would end your ties. It's so sad, but you are a wife and a mother now and your family needs a mentally happy and healthy wife and mother. The stress your mom causes for you and your husband sounds like it is taking to much of a toll on your family. Can you envision your life without all the stress your mom causes?
Good luck! It's a very diffucult situation!
L.S. answers from Harrisburg on May 08, 2008
Sounds like your parents are users. Look, I think family is family, and we should always help each other, but there is a limit. My husband is constantly doing work for his family, and he just has them buy all the parts and they pay for our gas to travel (2 hours away).
You have to learn to say no when you don't have the time or energy to help. It is definately not worth your husband losing his job or his pay to please your parents. You will just have to explain this to them and if they get mad, so be it. Just explain to them that you would love to help them, but it has to be under your terms. Be firm, but be nice. Explain that you have saved them a ton of money, and that you are happy about that, but they have to be grateful about your time and hard work.
If they don't like your terms, they can hire someone to come in. Maybe then they will realize how much you have helped them in the past.
Don't let this situation get between you and your husband. Your marriage and partnership is more important than your parents needs. You are doing nothing wrong, so don't feel guilty.
L. :)
H.F. answers from Pittsburgh on May 08, 2008
I was always raised with the idea that your kids come first... In other words, my advice to you is to tell your mother in a very kind way that your husband is unable to do the work. Before you do, prepare for the conversation.
To prepare, write down all of the work that your husband has done thus far. Do it as a spreadsheet. Put the work in the first column. In the second column, put the amount of time spent on the job. In the third column, put what he would have charged someone else. In the fourth column, put what he has asked them for or done it for. In a fifth column, put what they have actually paid him for the work. Find out how much money you have actually given your mom and step-dad in the form of your husband's time.
Then gear up for the conversation. Right down all that you have done for your mother and the what it has cost you (i.e., the appliances she ruined). When you call your mother, tell her that in this economy, you can't afford to risk your husband's job and you just can't afford for him to take time off at the moment. Tell her that you need to get your house in order to get one of them sold in order to pay her back. AND by the way, if she did not ask for interest, don't pay it. She is your mother and offered to help you out PLUS you have already helped her out in the thousands of dollars range from work your husband did for pennies on the dollar.
Make sure to have the names of a few contractors (whatever you want to call them) handy to give her as recommendations from your husband as people who should be able to help them out with their work. Ask your husband to help here by providing honest names of people in the area your mom lives (if he isn't sure have him check at work). Tell her your husband would be happy to talk to whoever they hire to explain what has already been done. Tell your mom you're sorry but your husband is needed at home to make your home safe and healthy for your small children and to help raise your small children. Tell her that they need to have time with their Daddy as well.
If she gets angry, remember these words, EVENTUALLY SHE WILL GET OVER IT. If she doesn't, she doesn't deserve the help she already received.
This is just my advice and my opinion. But I honestly think from your message that you have already done more than enough to pay her back for what she has done with you. Of course, you give her the money you promised to give back but the extras are just that extras. Keeping her happy is NOT actually working and it is hurting you and your family. Put your children and your marriage first.
As I said, though, this is just my advice and opinion. You have to do what feels right for you. Good luck with a bad situation. Feel free to email if you need to vent a little more or want help putting together your thoughts before you talk to her.
J.P. answers from Harrisburg on May 08, 2008
Hi A. ~ you and your husband need to step back...if this is a situation that is hurting your family's needs you need to cut the string. Tell mom no more, if she starts tell her no (be clear), she continues tell her you're not going to discuss it any further with her as you & your husband made a decision(on whatever it is), you will maybe even end all contact for a bit, then gradually add them back into your life...you know "how about cook out on Sun." or the park with the kids. If it continues, again tell her you & your husband have made the decision that he/you can not do free (from the sounds of it paid either) work for them as it is taking away from your family and the possibility of your husband losing his job. Continue the cycle (she may/may not get it). I think once she sees you standing firm to her, things will change. People act this way because they can, no one has told them no and stuck to it. Be STRONG for YOUR family! Hope this is helpful. Blessings ~ J.
A.B. answers from Pittsburgh on May 07, 2008
Sounds as if you are simply being taken advantage of by your family. Would you let your kids walk all over you? Stand up for yourself and your family, put a stop to it. Your mom will probably be shocked at first, but will eventually come around. The worst thing you can do is let your children see others treat you this way, they'll learn that behavior.
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