M.T. asks from Amsterdam, NY on January 11, 2007
Add/adhd/bipolar?? He's Not Even 3Years Old Yet!
After I typed this I realized it is really long, BUT I REALLY NEED SOME HELP!!
I really need some help understanding this whole evaluation process thing my son will be going through.
He's only 2, will be 3 in Feb., and has been having a lot of behavioral issues at daycare. They 'suggested' I have him looked at. I had my first initial meeting with Karner Psychological Associates out in Guilderland yesterday, and now I'm wondering what we got ourselves into.
For the past month the daycare and I have been exchanging a notebook back and forth, keeping track of my son’s behavior and such. I showed it to the doctor at the appointment and also answered his questions. What scares me is I've always thought my son’s behavior was a little hyper, but normal for a 2 year old...well I guess not.
The doc starts throwing out terms such as ADD, ADHD, Bipolar...what the heck? Then he said for the next interview I'm not allowed to even observe it whatsoever. Not even through a mirror or anything. He expects my son to go into a strange room, in a strange building, with a complete stranger, FOR AN HOUR without me being able to monitor at all. I'm a little concerned about my son’s safety...even if this guy is a doctor.
Does anyone know if this is normal? My son being secluded like that? I called other providers and they don't allow monitoring either. Am I being over protective?
WHAT ELSE SHOULD I GET PREPARTED FOR? WHAT ELSE IS TO BE EXPECTED?
Addition 1-12-07:
I do not appreciate reading about me and my priorities. My sons do not get any less attention than a normal child would in a regular household. They have had me from 3pm EVERY DAY till 8-9p when they go to bed. If anything I'd say that's more time than any normal child would have with a working single mother who held a 9-5 job.
My work and school didn't start till last week. Now I do both work and school between the hours of 8:30a and 5p M-F, and then they have me till 8-9p when they go to bed. I do my 2nd job and the rest of my studies after they are asleep. I do not want to hear lashing at me not giving time to my children. They spend as much time with me as a mom who worked a regular 8-5 job during the week, if not more. Life does stay busy, but it doesn't cut into their time with me.
I do appreciate though the replys about the process. I know he is young, and this is what has concerned me. I will take one advise and wait for a decision after hearing what this first doctor says.
We go for his evulation on January 18th, so here's hoping!!
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So What Happened?™
Well, on 1-18 we went to the evaluation. The guy didn’t give me any chance to ask any questions, be involved in anything or whatever whatsoever. He took my boy and left. They came back 45 minutes later. I asked him to let me know something and the only thing the guy would say was that my insurance provider denied his requests for testing. Then he kept saying we will discuss everything at our next appointment. He wouldn’t answer a SINGLE question for me. He kept throwing in my face the insurance and our next appointment. Well, I got mail from my insurance carrier the next day stating that they will not cover any of this billings as he is requesting testing which a 2 year old would not be able complete anyways. I have canceled service with that guy because if the insurance company says my son is not able to compete the testing, why is the guy ordering it. Plus since they are not covering his bills, they are automatically being billed to me, and I CAN NOT afford that.
I have called the local school district and they are going to get me into an intervention program for my boy and see where that goes from there…free of charge.
Here’s hoping for the best.
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M.M. answers from New York on January 11, 2007
Hi M., first day care providers are not doctors some of them shouldn't even be working with children quick example where i live at in Staten Island there's a girl i saw grow up but she never got pass high school she had a baby at around the age of 17yrs old which BCW took away from her and her mother i was shocked when she was working in a daycare taking care of other peoples babies when she couldn't take care of her own sad isn't it! but a child of 2yrs of age are always hyper running getting into things its normal for me i'm a mom and a grandma i'm 55yrs old i raised my children my grankids and other peoples kids My son which is 19yrs old he has seizure disorder but to his electrograms he gets i'm there in the same room with him it doesn't sound good what you are saying he is a small child and even though he is normal he will react poorly towards strangers even though life is busy you must act upon this issue if it was my child i would not go to the appt take him out of daycare make other arrangements like i tell my daugters now a days i think some doctors work on commission because they say you have diseases that are not there pls do your best on this because once medication is giving there's no way out and you know your child better then anyone else keep in contact with me
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K. answers from New York on January 11, 2007
Hey there M.,
You will have to continue to observe and get the advice of doctors still, but I must caution you to not to jump to any extreme treatments until you are absolutely sure that he has a "problem."
Why do I say this . . . well, the fact is that my nephew, now almost 7, was SUCH a difficult, out of control boy. He gave everyone problems and his mother, my sister, was at her wits end. She said to me, "he is surely hyperactive and needs to be on medication," and he was only 4 or 5 years old. So they planned on testing him for ADD or ADHD.
Needless to say, it did not happen immediately and my sis just kept fielding the impulsive behavior of her son. Impulsive beyond what you would think . . . talking in class when the teacher was talking, running down the hall just because he could, instigating his sisters and hitting them, stamping on Christmas present toys and sulking in the corner because he could not get his way. He just seemed frustrated with life and family. This is actually just a few of the lesser instances.
Recently, however, my sister got a letter from his 1st grade teacher. Seems she wants him tested for the gifted children's program because she feels that he simply is not challenged enough by his current situation. We are awaiting the results to see if he indeed gets into this program, and if so, it explains a lot about why he was behaving so extremely. He needs the right environment and the right people around him to set the limits he needs to properly function according to "societal standards" (I could go on about that.)
Anyhow, I guess what I am saying is that as long as he is not causing you, himself or anyone else any real harm, give him some time. Be patient and see what happens. If you don't like the approach they have to diagnose him, than get another opinion or two or three.
Go with your instinct, it is stronger than you know. If it tells you you are on the right track to finding a comfortable solution to your sons "issues" than that is what is right for you and your family.
Good luck, it will work out!
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B.D. answers from New York on January 11, 2007
Okay Mom lets get started,
My daughter has ADHD and have been having issues since she was born. I understand you need do some of these things but you may have to put the college to a side for now until you go to a Neurodevelopmental Specialist-(Bipolar is really heavy especially he is only two) I also have a step-son w/ ADHD and I have Early Intervention in my area with my two-year old because of the family history. I would not let that doctor do anything-because your son will be three next month early intervention unable to assist however they can talk to you about counseling/Specialist for assistance. Also, you may have to sit back at the daycare and see what is your son doing-screaming on floor, always having fits when he does not get his way. Is he disruptive, destructive, and disobedient always. This is the kind of behavior for Bipolar (Sweet the next minute and then where is this kid coming from) Please talk to Early Intvention first in your area, then Neurodevelopmental Specialist. After you receive all of that and you have observe your son's behavior at the Daycare then change his diet before any medication or any warranted diagnosis. This inital process will take some weeks but please hold off on sending your son to the lions den because when my daughter was 3 they wanted to send her to a school with children that has multiple disorders-(Children biting, hitting there head on the wall) you know children will mimic the behavior of their surrounding.
That is why you need to observe his at the daycare first.
B.
D.A. answers from New York on January 12, 2007
My son has been hyperactive since he was born. At one years old
the babysitter recommended having a psychologist come into our
home to observe our household. I did not think that they were
qualified enough to evaluate a child at that age. Progressively, by age 4 he had been terminated from 3 day cares
for aggressive behavior. He was later evaulated at age 5 at a
medical facility with the doctor and myself present at all times. He is now 9 and thoughout the years he has been a challenge. He has been placed in a Child Study /IEP program at
school. He has been improving without medication, he is not as
hyper but is disruptive to classmates, teachers and friends.
He does have the ability to reason with behavioral modification
techniques and strong authority figures. Recently, he has been
dismissed from his after school babysitter for his behavior.
He impulsively reacts to situations, however he does not hit
as often, but still is verbally incorrect.
My dilema is finding day care that can handle this child.
L.S. answers from Jamestown on January 12, 2007
Hi my name is L. i'm the mother of 4 small children i have a 6 year old daughter who has been through what your son is going through she has Bipolar and it's a very scary thing to have your child go through the test but he will be fine they are very good with childern of that age. my daughter has been going through this sence the age of 3 and she is now on the right track to being a good kid....so if you need some more help understanding whats going on i'll will help you
R.M. answers from Albany on January 12, 2007
hi my name is R. and i also have a son with a behavior disorder who is three but at 2 and 3 it is two young to establish a an order such as add adhd and such. the child is still developing and needs to find whys to express themselves and controll there world, doctors and schools are quick to slap labels on children. Perscriptions special classes aids there is big money in children with disorders and when i said my son has a disorder i ment that he is unsure on how to act and needs to learn and have guidence from us they arent born preprogramed. Take you time you know you son best of all and hes only 2 there is time to grow. study diffeerent doctors call different health professionals you need to feel that you child is getting the best help and remember doctors are humans as well they dont have all the answers. i would try a behavioral theripist talk to your sons primary about albany med behavioral therapy on claria barton drive, thats the one im going to be using.
B.S. answers from Rochester on January 15, 2007
Hi M.. I am sorry if people are having you feel that this is your fault. My middle boy was diagnosed with ADHD by his 3rd birthday. I knew that there was something wrong although I didn't know what it was. He would get into stuff all of the time. I couldn't go to a friend's home as he would get into their drawers, cupboards, etc. acting really curious. He was just always on the go. My biggest issue was trying to get him to focus on me. I would literally take his face in my hands and say look at me. He couldn't always do this. I tried the "Fine Gold diet" where you remove food colorings (expecially RED!), artifical preservatives, etc. from the diet to see if it made a difference...with him it didn't. I had him checked out on the recomendation of my babysitter...then primary dr. and then an evaluation by a pediatric specialist. He ended up on Ritalin and it was the first time that I saw my son actually relax. The explanation that was given to me is that he lacked something in his "make up" which the Ritalin basically put back there. He would have to keep himself revved up in order to function. With the medicine, he could relax. I am NOT pro-medication. My son was diagnosed with numerous...NUMEROUS diagnosis over the years from learning disabilities to behavior/depression/emotional issues. I have viewed these first hand and he was on the various medications in order for him and our home life to function. It is easier having someone to back you up. I have had the single mom lifestyle with him and it was very very hard. I know that there were nights when I cried myself to sleep because I just didn't know what to do, where to turn. Help is out there. He is now 16...soon to be 17 and a junior in high school. He has attended a "special school" for the past 5 years due to behavior issues but it has been very positive for him and he doesn't display any bad behavior there. I am not at all saying that your son will also have these same issues. This is just a bit of what I have gone through and the first 6 years it was alone as his dad thought that he was just a normal boy and that the school, day care, and others just didn't know what they were talking about. The first 6 years of a kids life are the most important in that this is supposed to be where they absorb their learning skills, etc. the most. I am here anytime if you want to talk or to send me an email. Best of luck@
N.A. answers from New York on January 12, 2007
Hey If you feel funny about leaving your 2 yr old with a stranger---- doc or not!! that don't do it! and anothe rthing it is a little funny for a doc to start spitting out terms like add adhd before he even properly evaluated him. Just be careful doc's noadays try and label every kid and drug them up. so if you don't see a problem with your 2 yr old boy--- then don't worry what ANYONE else thinks! who the hell are they anyway! And you know what, I thik a doctor could diagnos any 2 yr old boy hyper !! all boys are. Good luck, just go with what you feel and what is in your heart---- becuase mommy's are usually right. Oh and by the way---- kids can't be diagnosed with add or adhd before the age of 6 I believe so don't let these daycare and doc people flip you out. I wouldn't feel confortable letting anyone with my daughter alone ---- it is just tooo freaky god knows what could happen and a 2 yr old isn't old enough to properly express if, God forbid, something did happpen.
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