My daughter has had a couple of "passing out" spells after experiencing some kind of pain (the first she got her hand slammed in a door, and the second time she had a stomach cramp) - The last doctor we saw in the ER mentioned the vagus nerve and a vasovagal reaction. I have looked online and studied what the books say. I am wondering if anyone out there has experienced it or has kids that have had it? Would like some mom to mom advice instead of elaborate doctors advice. (I have plenty of that)
Krystal,
A few years ago I began to black out. Most of the time, it was after I sat down on the toilet and strained. Twice it was as I stood up after finishing a bowel movement. I blacked out from a standing position and landed on my face. I had major bruises on my face and actually could not turn my head to the left for months after one of the falls.
The third time, my friend heard me hit and came running. She could not stir me and ran to call 911 by the time she got back I was coming to. I went to the hospital where they ran every test they could think of on my heart. They finally diagnosed vasa vagal syncope. My blood pressure tends to run on the low side (Which I always thought was good) so if I strain too hard or if I stand too quickly I just black out.
I do not have any warning signs like feeling dizzy. All they told me to do was to drink more water to keep from becoming constipated and to make sure that I do not rush to stand up and if possible to hold on to something as I stand (such as the pew in front of me at church, I passed out there once when we stood to sing). I never felt like I got the answers I needed but it has now been about 3 years since my last episode.
Reta
I have not heard of a vasovagal reaction but my daughter has breath holding spells which hers are triggered by pain. On some occasions, ususally when she is tired as well, when she feels pain she lets out one cry and continues to make the crying face but then no sound comes out. Her face quickly becomes red, then blue, and she passes out. She stays out for about 3 seconds and then wakes up crying and acts completely normal after that. She has been tested in the emergency room and it was confirmed as breath holding spells. Not sure if this is the type of reaction you are referring to but if it is, feel free to email me and I will tell you more about my experience and what the doctors have said.
My daughter has had the same reaction to pain several times. Very frightening. I am now prepared to catch her when she is in pain. We are hoping to eventually get her to recognize the signs of passing out. Of course, she's 11 so that's realistic. With your little one, not so much! Our pediatrician recommended adding a little more salt to her diet. I tend to not put salt in anything so I have done started adding a little. No incidents since then, but she's not had a really bad injury either. Wish I had something more concrete for you but all I can offer is sympathy and tell you I've been there.
Yes, that actually happened to me once. I stumbled on our staircase and twisted my knee badly (with my baby girl in my arms!). While my husband ran to get me some ice to put on it, I passed out on the staircase and they said in the emergency room that it was from the vasovagal response. My husband said I was stiff as a board while I was passed out. I have since tried to stay calm if I stub my toe or any kind of sudden pain like that because I know I have a tendency to have this reaction. The doctors may have talked to you about this, and I know she may be too young to understand fully, but you might encourage her to take deep breaths if she hurts herself to try to avoid this happening. Hope that helped a little ;)
My 15yo daughter was taken by ambulance from High school for passing out, though they (the school) had initially told me it was a seizure. When Paramedics got there, they tested her sugars and BP and all and she was fine but she could not stand without feeling like she was going to pass out (that is why they took her in). After SEVERAL tests and such I was told the same thing by ER doctors. Then we went and saw her Pediatrician and he said for her to drink lots of Gatorade and eat salty food for a couple of days. Hope this helps you!
I never knew it had a name to it, but I have experienced the urge to pass out after hurting myself and have had to lay down to avoid it when I am nauseous. Seems normal for your body to do so when feeling pain.
Krystal-
I myself have vaso-vagal syncope. Basically it means I pass out for no good medical reason. Mine started in my early teen years and since then we have been able to determine my triggers and my warning signs. My first episode occured when I had my hand slammed in a a car door. Since that time I have had stomach pain and cold sweats proir to every episode. Mind you it happens quickly, like a stomach bug attacks from nowhere and passes quickly too. I have a few basic tecniques that allow me to prevent myself from passing out. Since I know my warning signs and feel a spell coming on, I am able to sit down take deep yoga style breathes and ward off actually fainting. Also, the spells have lessened for me as I have gotten older and they really have very lttle impact on my life. Good luck with your little one. I know how scary it is for an adult to go through fainting spells, I can't imagine what a little girl is thinking.
God Bless-
Kim
Hi Krystal:
My daughter, when she was younger, would have a vasovagal reaction (passing out) when she dehydrated. It scared me to death too but I later found out that vasovagal is a fancy name for fainting. Fainting sounds better than vasovagal reaction. She eventually outgrew it.
I started having that same problem as I got older (I'm 27 now) while they take my blood. So, now I lay down before I have it drawn and I do not pass out. You can also pass out from going to the bathroom, by baring down too long; this causes your blood pressure to drop. It is more common than you think...it's similar to people passing out at the sight of blood.
hey krystal,
i don't have any experience with a vasovagal reaction, but my dad did have one while he was visiting me about 4 years ago. after he went to the emergency room and was fine, he decided to go to an atlas-orthagonal chiropractor and get adjusted and he hasn't had another reaction since. i guess their theory is that if you are out of adjustment, some nerves can be pinched and trigger that reaction. i don't really know all the specifics, but you might want to look into it a little more. good luck.
jill
I bumped my funny bone a couple of years ago and passed out cold on the kitchen floor for a couple of minutes. It took me another minute to figure out who my husband was (as he hovered anxiously over me) and where I was. I was very concerned that something similar would happen while I was holding my son. My only advice is to sit down immediately and get my head on my knees if possible whenever I do something that causes a sharp pain. Also, it seems to be worse if I'm dehydrated.
Hugs to your daughter. It's bad enough to experience the pain, but then to have such a reaction to it can be quite terrifying.
I have a daughter who is now 18 and we've went through this many times. Basically, this is simply a 'fainter'. Some just faint more easily than others. Usually it's girls and I was told that it can sometimes run in families. My youngest (11) has also had a couple of spells. The triggers for my girls have been getting a shot, having any kind of pain, becoming overheated in a large crowd of people....anything that taxes the nervous system. My 18 year old does it less and less now that she's mature enough to control herself and not become overexcited. I would also add that she had one episode of vasovagal that was alarming to me. It actually appeared as if she were having a seizure. It wasn't until after a trip to ER and doing research that I learned that some faintings can be quite dramatic in appearance. I had no idea that someone fainting could include what appears to be convulsions, but it can. It is always important that others be forewarned of a history of fainting. (medical personnel, teachers, caregivers, etc.)
Obviously it is important to rule out any other possible causes.
One of my identical twin daughters has this...it is not as bad since she had gotten older (now 13), but there for a while she would drop on you quite easily.I was fortunate because her pediatrician has a daughter with it and explained it in easy terms...it's just one of those things...she gave me a letter for the elementary school explaining to just call me (she had a couple of spells at school...usually when nervous or stressed and sometimes when she didn't feel well)and I would come get her. She would always seem pretty drained by the ordeal and I would just go and pick her up and let her rest the remainder of the day. It does freak the teachers out, but once they understand they adjust easily. Our twins are adopted so and we didn't meet them until a little before their 6th birthday so I don't have the early experience, but I found by paying attention I could sort of predict when it might happen. When she starts school or preschool I would ask the doctor for a note for the school nurse so they are aware she does this so they don't freak out and call an abulance or anything like that. If you talk to her...even at this age she might call tell you how she feels when it is starting and then you can be prepared if something happens that might trigger it.
My husband has the exact same thing...this has happened to him many times during his lifetime, usually when he gets hurt, but it has recently happened when he was very ill (vomiting)...we visited the ER because it seemed he was having symptoms of a heart attack...and the ER docs told us the same thing...it doesn't happen often but it is very scary when it does! He is aware of it so anytime he gets hurt he knows to just sit where he is...he has injured himself more from passing out than the initial injury!!! I wish your daughter well...
I have heard of it and while I dont have a child that does that a friend of mine does... site of blood or dr trauma she is out like a light...
I have read that it is just how some peoples brains deal with it.
my son who is 17 has them with needles. Wether it is drawing blood or getting a shot. He actually hasa seizure with it.It is very scarey. I don't know what kind of mom to mom advice you would like but I am here and would be willing to talk.
Becky
Hi Krystal,
Yes...I have the same thing. If I'm experiencing pain from an accident or something happens to my daughter I will almost pass out. Fortunately, I can feel when it's about to happen and I lie down with my legs raised above my head. This will bring blood back to your brain and keep from passing out. I work in the medical field and when some patients have an IV put in they will have a vasovagal response, turn white, get sweaty, and pass out. Hope this helps.
Lisa
My, now 14 yo daughter used to do that. She outgrew whatever the problem was by the time she turned 5. She would hold her breathe when she got hurt until she passed out. Not out of being mad, but just not able to "catch her breathe." She was about 6mths old the first time it happened. Because it happened so often, (about 1 time a month) About the time she turned 3 the Dr. thought we should do some tests, just to rule any heart problems or seizure problems. They found nothing, and over the course of a couple of years they slowed to a stop. My advice is to do whatever the doc says, but in the mean time...try not to let your daughter see you make a big deal over it when it happens. I think part of my daughters deal in it happening so often was her big sisters would make a big ordeal out of it and my youngest got a lot of attention. She then learned it would get me to come running. Then it got to be a nice attention getting behavior that we had to break. With 4 others in the house, that was hard to do.
About me: I'm a 44yo mother of 5. My hubby and I have been married for 23 years.
My husband has this (and so does President Bush!) For him it is triggered by something hitting the back of his throat the wrong way (i.e. a toothbrush or whenever he throws up, say from food poisoning or just being sick.) I believe this is the trigger in most people, but not all.
Anyway, it is scary to deal with because he is much bigger than I am and when he passed out the first time I panicked. But what the doctor told him to do is to lie on his side on the floor anytime he feels nauseous, even if he's in public. That way if he passes out, which happens very suddenly, he won't injure himself by falling off the bed or whatever he may be sitting on. Also lying on his side prevents anything that he throws up from going back into his throat and causing him to choke. Sorry for being gross, but this has been the most helpful thing for me to know. If he suddenly passes out, at least now I know to roll him over onto his side and that after a few minutes he'll wake back up.
As far as I know, there isn't any cure for this. My best advice is to limit anything that might cause her to throw up- basically don't drink too much alcohol and stay away from having Chinese food delivered or anything else that may cause food poisoning!