My 16 year old daughter is very smart, but is very unmotivated to complete her school work, therefor seems to be running a C average in almost everything. I speak to her teachers who say she 'drifts off' in class. She often gets zeros for homework she 'does not feel like doing'. I realize a C average is not the end of the world, but I know she is capable of more and would like her to be able to go to college. I have taken away privliges, offered incentives, etc, and she says she will do better, and may for a very short time, then its back to the same old story. She is treated for depression. I don't know what else to do. I have considered cyber school, but she and my husband object. Any ideas?
Hi Jennifer,
First of all, let me suggest that you get a appointment book with 5 columns at your local beauty supply store.
Put everyone's name at the head of each column.
Put in the times that everyone is doing their thing.
Look and see what times need adjusting for you to spend time with your 16 year old.
Next, find out if your daughter is doing drugs or alcohol.
Find time to sit down with your daughter and let her do her home work. You are there to talk about what she's working on.
Use this format when you are talking to not only your 16 year old but with everyone you communicate with.
Example of format:
When you ______________________ (describe the behavior or verbal remarks that upset you.)
I feel_____________________ (describe the feeling that you are experiencing from the above action)
In the future ___________________(describe what you expect to happen and if it doesn't, the consequences)
Hope this helps. Good luck. If this doesn't work, you can always call a family group conference.
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Jennifer,
You say that she is treated for depression. Is that medication only or counseling? If just meds, maybe she could do better with some weekly therapy.
One of my best friends has a 15 yo son and she fights much the same battle. Bright kid, but does not apply himself as much as he could. She takes away privileges if he does not complete assignments, do assigned chores as agreed, etc. It works but then she lightens up and he slides right back to the same old thing. I know that with him, what motivates him is loosing the time he's allowed to spend with his friends--it's such a social age! But consistency is a must. Also, she has been allowing him to "fail" a little bit. She feels at his age she shouldn't have to oversee all homework assignments, etc so she lets him have the lion's share over that and if he misses something then he has to pay the price. Good luck to you and your daughter!
Talk with the doctor treating her for depression, or if she's getting counseling, talk with the counselor. the medication may need to be changed, or there may be some isues she's dealing with on the side that you don't know about -- that she needs to work through. There's no doubt that the teen years are tough ones, and lots of kids "drift off" from time to time, but not so much it impacts their grades.
The other thing to look at is exercise and diet. Be sure she's getting enough protein in her morning to keep her blood sugar up. Teenage girls worry about what they look like and they often don't eat, just to keep their weight down. It's hard to concentrate and feel good about yourself when you are doing that. and the exercise thing? If she isn't into sports, try getting a famiy wii or DDR and do it with her. Draw her out a little, and show her that she has skills and CAN achieve, and she'll probably beat you, Mom, anyway ! Capitalize on things she likes to do, and maybe on individual sports -- swimming, for one. Running is also an individual sport, even though it's done on a team, as is dance which is done in a class of 20 ! Our teens take ballet, but this year the younger of the two decided to do hip hop and it's amazing how much she loves it, and finding one thing you excel at impacts everything you do, because it gives you a reason to like yourself, a reason to hold your head up, and a reason to try other things, too.
Good luck. I know this is tough. (Our younger daughter is like this because she is creative, not due to depression, and I understand how hard it is to motivate them. She has adult sisters, tho', whom I clued in, and their discussions with her over Xmas break have helped her to think through what she's doing with her life. What she does with those thoughts is yet to be seen.)
AS a parent the best we can do is to do our best. Make your decisions as you go, and don't sedond-guess them with information you didn't have at the time. You can only evaluate your decisions using the info you had AT THE TIME. Don't berate yourself and blame yourself. Just hang in with her and keep going. Love her, encourage her, praise her, and push just a little, then praise the effort, more than the result, because it's the effort you're looking for at this point.
Also check into her hormones and thyroid. I had a lot of depression during highschool as well. What ended up happening is that I had an abnormal periods. They did an ultrasound and found out that I had Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome and this was the main source of my depression. There are also lots of herbal supplements that can be taken as well.
Ask the teacher to send home a list of homework, in a homework book. Each teacher should fill it in, and then check it immediately. If it isn't filled in, no privledges. If it is do homework together for an hour and then give her some reward, computer time, tv, a family game.
Good luck.
I wonder if you take her to a food pantry or homeless shelter for the both of you to volunteer she would see how hard it is for some people and she'll appreciate her own life a little more. It may also motivate her to improve her grades so she can get into college and get a good job to support herself someday.
Maybe another thing you can do is talk with her about what she ultimately wants to do with her life, even if it's not going to college. Maybe it's culinary school or something else that's creative and uses her hands? If she has a goal and sees how finishing school with a better grade point average will affect that goal, maybe it would help her get motivated.
Good luck! I hope you find something that works!
Hi, I don't know your daughter, so I don't know if this is the case, but, I think this is something you should consider, if you haven't already. You don't want to be pressuring her to do something she can't. I am a HS teacher. Every parent I've met has always said their child is "so smart" or "smarter than they are currently achieving". Everyone now a days thinks their kid should be getting A's. The truth is if your child is going to a good HS, then most kids should be getting C's, not A's. C means average. I often hear, but my kid got A's in middle school, they should still get A's in HS. That's not true. Unfortunately many middle schools treat education like elementary school. Showing up is more important than actual achievement. When kids get to HS they suddenly discover they actually have to do homework in order to get a grade for it. I've often heard in middle school that HW didn't really count/ the kids didn't really have to do it. It may be that she has slacked off on HW for years & always gotten away with it & now suddenly can't. Again, I don't know your daughter or her school, so I don't know if this is the case, but its something to think about.
Also, getting C's doesn't exclude you from going to college. Yes, it will exclude you from Harvard or Yale, but most 4 colleges accept students with C's.
As for motivating her to try harder: I think there were a lot of good ideas from other posters. One more I would consider adding. Her teachers say she "drifts", you may want to have her checked for ADD. She may be having legitimate trouble focusing. (Which could also be caused by poor diet & exercise as another poster suggested).
Good luck. I hope you figure it out.
Have her checked for medical problems. My sister was "drifting off" in school and it turned out to be petite mal seizures.Once she was diagnosed, her grades went up and she had motivation once again.
You got a lot of great ideas. Motivation is a very tough thing to figure out. There is motivation that comes from others (wanting to do good for you or the grade or a reward), but the best one will be when the motivation comes from within herself, but she might need help finding what that is. It is possible she could be bored, not all teachers take the time to motivate their students which is an important part of being a teacher. It's wonderful that you are involved, just continue giving the unconditional love and support, positive praise and research what you can do to help her. There are lists of ideas out there, if you google teenage motivation. Good luck.
It sounds like maybe her treatment she is receiving for depression isn't working. I would recommend talking to your doctor about other choices. Also, does she go to therapy of any sort?
Aside from something 'mental' going on, it's possible that she may need one-on-one help because she may not be 'getting it'. You could look into a tutoring school... I've seen a commercial for it (I think it's Goddard or something like that). It's kinda hard to pay attention to your teacher if what they are saying is going over your head.
Jennifer:
I suffered from depression since age 14...at that age I had counseling, but no meds (at that time my parents believed I just "needed Jesus"...that's why I commend you for being proactive and getting your dd on meds!) "They" (the scientific community) have found that meds/talk therapy combo is really helpful.
Also, check out "The Feel Good" book/handbook by David Burns (cognitive/behavioral). Excellent, and VERY helpful.
I would not recommend putting your daughter into cyberschool if she adamantly opposes it. It could take her away from her support network (suprisingly enough, teen's friends, if they are positive and not into anything undesirable, can be a help to a depressed girl). If it would be a home-type school it could be too isolating for her.
Finally, I'd suggest grabbing the book, "How to talk so teens will listen, and listen so teens will talk" by Adele Faber. It will really help you get her to open up. :)
Good luck, sweetie!
Welcome to the world of teenagers! Set an expectation of grades. If any one grade drops below that then she should be grounded until that grade comes back up. We do this with my 13 year (second teen I'm dealing with). He can't go below a C.
Now, when grounding you need to ground the child on what will motivate them to get off grounding. My 21 year old didn't care about being grounded. He'd just sit there and play with a lint ball and be happy, lol. So we adjusted his grounding to include extra chores that he did not like. After all, grounding should make the child happy, but unhappy to motivate them to do better. With my 13 year old he hates being grounded cuz he's an outside kid, but he'll go in the basement where his room is and play on the video games, so having no video games is part of being grounded for him.
We can track his grades online and see when his grades go up and down and individual homework as well can be tracked. Homework is the killer for teens! My son has a planner that must be signed every night and we check off everything as we see it's done. We must SEE that it's done. We cannot go by his word that it's done but in his locker or whatever. We will notate that in his planner so the teacher and us can see if he's lying or not. If he lies he gets a day of grounding because lying will never be tolerated in this house. For every piece of homework that is not turned in on time gets a day of grounding. And they give 50% off if it's one day late so many kids figure "why bother". But we don't care if the work if turned in a week late. The work WILL be done and WILL be turned in, even if we already know he'll get a zero on it to teach him to follow through on his responsibilities. Also, collect all email addresses of each and every teacher of your teen at the school's web site and have constant contact with every little thing that goes on. Some response fast, some slow, some not at all. Just keep after them. After all, this is your child's education we're talking about.
So, I would sit down and have a meeting with your daughter. Write down a list that she will go by from now on and the consequences that will follow, good and bad. (good grades and good responsibility means freedom and trust, bad grades and poor responsibility means grounding and lack of freedom and trust)
- She will write down all homework from each class on a daily basis. (if a planner isn't provided by school, buy her a notebook just for homework)
- Her planner will be checked every night to be sure work is complete and Mom must SEE the completed work, notating anything missing to the teachers who should read this. (or email teachers on missing work so they're aware so the child knows everyone is communicating and nothing slips through the cracks)
- Grades dropping below your chosen level requires grounding until that grade is visible online as raised.
- Missing homework will be an added day of grounding per item.
- All work will be turned in complete whether late or not.
- Contact will be kept will all teachers on a daily basis so everyone is in the triangle loop. (triangle = parents, student & teachers) Break one link and the students slips.
- "Grounding" will be explained and can be modified as needed.
Always keep a calm tone and keep it "matter of fact". Don't get sucked into arguments or excuses. She'll know the rules. She didn't follow them. She knows the punishment. That's it. Meanwhile, keep everything else pleasant. Once the child has the punishment handed out, that's it, it's over. No reason to keep bringing it up or nagging. That's like punishing her over and over again. Hand out the punishment and move on. When she comes off grounding and you see grades going up, make as big a deal about the good stuff as the poor stuff. When you see some good things happening, maybe take her out for a treat, something extra, but never take her off grounding early. She must learn to follow through on responsibilities, all the way.
This is allot of work on the parents part but it can help keep her on track. There's nothing wrong to have her checked at school for any learning problems either that may not be easily seen. Getting the school counselor involved or putting her on an IEP temporarily for extra support is an option as well. If she's been diagnosed with depression then she should be seeing a counselor on a regular basis and keep them informed through email or phone as to what is going on and what new things you have implemented at home so they are part of the solution.
Good luck!
Karen B
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There are two approaches: First:reward with what DOES motivate her. She is almost an adult and that's what adults do-- go with what motivates them, be it $$ or other reward. Sixteen is time to grow up.
What concerns me more is the drifting off and depression. Have you had her thyroid hormones checked? I would get her a complete total blood workup before anything else. Thyroid problems can cause depression and spacey-ness and more and more people of all ages are being diagnosed. If she hasn't had a full workup... get one.
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hey, Jennifer!
I was depressed in high school, and grounded my sophomore year "until my grades came up" which they never did. I was literally grounded throughout high school but had a blast sneaking out with my friends and dancing in clubs in Germany with no drinking age. Anyway, careful of the meds, I now have an irregular heart beat and the drug I was taking for one year(which I was told was harmless) was later taken off the market for causing irregular heartbeats. Most of the long term effects of these drugs are not known. Counseling never worked. I was fine when I finally left home-another story, and never needed the meds. As an adult, I can see I was just mired down in teen crap.
ANYWAY, I think your daughter needs a job if she doesn't have one. For several reasons. Sometimes having more to do makes you do more. She can't slack off while she's at work, and this is better than spending time at home being lethargic and not doing homework. Also, realistically speaking, she may not get into college if she doesn't shape up, and the work will be a good warning, or good experience for all the jobs ahead of her if she doesn't go to college. It would be a good dose of reality. Idle time is no good for teens. They're almost adults, and they need a kick in the pants. I can't say that working helped my school work in high school, but the only times I was alive, happy and social, as well as earning money which I saved a lot of, was when I was working. I was grocery bagger at the base commissary every day after school and worked in the kitchen at the officers club weekends. The tough hours and accountability gave me the discipline I wasn't getting in school, and I actually did tend to do homework more than when I had time off. Luckily, I got into art school with my portfolio (on probation because of my horrid grades). but my work experience was valuable, because I had to work during college (where I flourished) as well. And I was used to having a lot to do and a full schedule, which helped me finish my long hard school assignments.
I think you should have a talk with your daughter, tell her she is almost a woman, and since her grades aren't competitive in today's tough college scene, she may need to just work, and that's OK, she should give it a try and start earning her own money. She'll just have to find a way to squeeze the homework in. This will prepare her for real life, and maybe even show her she needs to be more serious about school if she hates her job.
Hi Jennifer,
You mentioned that your daughter is very smart. Could it be that the work is so boring and mundane to her that it's a struggle for her concentrate? It's hard to work on something that is totally uninspiring.
Another thing to consider is that maybe it's not as easy for her as you think. Maybe she's pretending she doesn't care because it's actually a struggle. Either way, I'm sure she's not happy with the situation.
Kids are all so different. I was very motivated by grades and would not dream of going to school with without doing my homework. My husband, on the other hand, couldn't care less about grades and rarely did homework. He actually ended up quitting school, taking his GED, and going on to get his Bachelors in Computer Science. I'm not recommeding that, but just pointing out that some children need to be motivated by individual interests or interesting material rather than outside praise (in the form of grades or whatever). This is actually a much healthier form of motivation, IMO.
So, maybe you can help her find out what inspires her and go from there. Grades are not the end-all-be-all of everything. I know that's not a popular way of seeing it, but there are more important things in life. (As you said, it's not the end of the world).
I know it's hard when you have a smart child that is not motivated. It's hard seeing your child suffer through depression. Being a parent is not always easy. Don't be too hard on yourself. You're loving her and doing the best you can for her.
If the depression continues or worsens, I would certainly seek counseling for her, if you haven't already. In the meantime, ask her what she wants in life, what she's interested in more than anything else, what makes her feel alive. I'm interested in what she has to say.
Blessings,
Kathy
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Hi Jennifer,
Have you ever considered ADD? I just began a Behavior Modification Class for parents and children at A.I. DuPont Hospital for Children. It is common for kids with ADD to present with depression, as well. If she's "drifting off" in class, it could be an inability to focus on the task at hand. I would speak to your pediatrician. When I filled out an ADHD evaluation for my child, I was very surprised at how much he "fit the mold" for ADD and other problems, specifically anxiety. If it is ADD, it is something that she cannot help, and therapy would benefit.
Best of luck,
Leslie
Jennifer,
Have you had her depression med reviewed lately? I would have her psycololgist/psychiatrist review her medication and suggest a therapist to teach her some coping skills for depression.
Good luck, Christina
I agree with your daughter and your husband... cyber school would keep her penned up in the house, probably cause her to withdrawal from any human contact, and she would probably become even more depressed....
Just a thought. Good luck!!