Obamacare Heads to the Supremes

Obamacare will not work.
It did not work in Canada. It still doesn't work in Canada.
It did not work in Russia.
It doesn't work in England.
As my husband - originally from Canada - says, "It's great until you get sick and need treatment."
My in-laws are still in Canada and often come to the US for treatment because they can't get treatment in Canada in a timely fashion. My BIL waited 6 months for a CT scan. Another time he had to wait 2 weeks for an X-ray and treatment for a broken ankle. The ER sent him home with crutches and an appointment... spare me! My MIL had to wait a year for a hearing appointment and then another 6 months for the hearing aid fitting appointment. Trust me -- socialized medicine does NOT work.
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I think health care for all is not unreasonable. I think if we should *expect* that the government
- pave our streets
- delivers our mail
- educates our children
- protects the citizens from crime
and more - it is not unreasonable to expect that they could help make sure people don't die for no good reason. Having had the unfortunate experience of not having insurance more than once - and having "government" health insurance at a few times, I know what it is. The lies against it are propaganda and lies that are repeated by deluded people who think they are the speaking truth.
And I personally have more respect for the office of the President than to call it degradingly "Obamacare". I call it the Health Care bill.
I am disappointed that it didn't go further.

After watching Michael Moores documentary called Sicko, I would love to see everyone have access to the health care that they need. In that documentary, it was so sad to watch people describe how their loved ones died because they couldn't pay for a procedure that the patient needed.

Nothing the supreme court decides will change my own opinion of the law. Anyone in the court who votes in favor of it is ignoring the constitution and should be ashamed.

Annie says she loves socialized medicine in Australia. What she failed to mention is that the taxes in Australia are astronomical in order to pay for all the government perks that the Australians receive. Paying approx. $6 for a gallon of gas with approx $2.80 of that in tax is one example. Someone told me recently that a regular sized box of cereal cost $8.00. THAT is what Americans have to look forward to. The taxes on everything for EVERYONE will go out of sight in order to pay for this debacle. Nothing is free. My gosh, look at our national debt NOW. We can't afford this plan. I prefer to keep all the added tax money, pay for my own insurance, choose my own Dr., get the treatment I need in a timely manner and keep the government out of it. (Obama lied when he said that we can keep the plan we have. Employers are going to drop their plans to get the govt. plan because it will cost less. How can we keep our plan if it doesn't exist anymore?)

I pray the supreme court uses the constitution (since that is what they are supposed to do!!!) to make their decision because if they do, they will definitely rule against it.

The Supreme Court doesn't always rule according to what is best for americans.

We revile Hitler because of what he did to millions of jews, but we don't put Stalin in the same class even though he did the same to 20 times more of his country's citizens.

Our constitution says "freedom of religion". Our Supreme Court has turned that into "Freedom FROM Religion".

Will they rule correctly on this issue? Who knows. It depends on their political point of view. If congress thought Obamacare was so great, WHY did they exempt themselves, the Executive Branch, and the Judicial Branch of government from its provisions?

Obamacare doesn't mean Obama cares about Americans. It means Obama cares about himself. If he really thought Obamacare was so great he could have vetoed the law exempting congress and all the high ups from its provisions.

Good luck to you and yours.

J.:

I think it's funny that left-leaning posters are NOW getting in a tizzy about calling it Obamacare - Pelosi, Reid, Left-Leaning Dems in the house and senate call it OBAMACARE!!!

I don't think it's the greatest thing since sliced bread. I want the government out of my health...I want them out of my personal life - period.

I would be overjoyed if Obamacare was found UNCONSTITUTIONAL...as it is. Do I think that the Supreme Court will judge the same way? Probably not...

If they do allow it to continue - our country will be forever changed and, I feel, no longer "the land of the free" - we will have more Government control and when the government controls your health? It's scary stuff...

Do I want things changed? HECK YEA!!! Getting the government out - allowing COMPETITION and doing TORT reform WILL WORK...but we have too many people wanting it all for free...and what they don't realize - NOTHING is FREE!! Someone, somewhere is paying for it..

Right now...

Due to an 'ex' not living up to court orders to continue health care for me...(or child support for that matter(

I remain...without health insurance...

Or the means to pay for it...

**sigh**

I am originally from the States but currently live in Australia. I have a few thoughts on the matter:

*National Health Care is a fabulous plan. It may not be perfect but you will be taken care of. Here in Australia, I had a c-section in hospital and all of my antenatal appointments absolutely free, I was well taken care of. Very impressed with the system.

*This may not have been the best time to introduce this system to America given the GFC. It will be difficult and very costly to set up, but in my opinion, it is the way forward. I am going to assume you are calling it Obamacare because Obama truly cares about America's wellbeing.

Here's the thing: Healthcare does need to be accessable and affordable. BUT, the laws allowing that cannot be unconstitutional.

The healthcare reform law is going before the SCOTUS (Supreme Court of the Unites States) so they may rule on the contitutionality of the law. It's not a ruling for or against healthcare reform...it's a ruling to determine whether or not constitutionally protected rights are being infringed upon.

I think that the law does (infringe upon constitutionally protected rights), and the ruling against the healthcare reform law as it stands will mean that Congress will have to do their jobs....go back to the drawing board and create a bill that IS constitutional.

We should ALL, regardless of our opinion of healthcare reform, support our SCOTUS in doing their job to uphold the US Constitution.

Something's gotta change. I really dont understand all the particulars about the proposed health care plan. I just know some people are hatin it, I cant say I've heard anyone say they LOVE the plan. I think a lot of people are still going to be insurance poor after its all said and done. One of my paychecks goes completely for our health care each month and it doesnt even include dental care AND we have to drive an hour to get to the docs in our HMO. It SUCKS big time. There are a LOT of sick people, no plan is going to be "all that". People will be waiting to get fixed, some will still die waiting, that's the sad part.

I like Annie A am originally from the US but am living out of country and have been for quite a few years now. I live in Sweden. Here we have universal health care and I have to say I love it. If my children get sick I take them to the doctor, I dont worry about whether or not my insurance will pay for it. I have a friend who is also originally from the US and is also living here now, he now gets the full understanding of how great it is to have universal health care after his child fell and had something wrong with his neck. He sat in the room with his son and took care of him and just stayed with him. His thoughts didnt run off to insurance companies, what tests will be covered, if he is with the right doctor or not, he was just there with his son. They ran several tests and did a couple of procedures and didnt pay a dime out of pocket. His son is fine now, but it was scary for awhile.

I know it is costly to have universal health care, but it is an investment in the people who help make the country and economy work. Everyone of us is important no matter what their yearly salaries are. We are the ones that make the country work, and if we are running around sick without the ability to get health care it makes that much more difficult.

I look at Sweden as an example because it's all I really know. I know that I do not pay out of pocket for my children to go to the doctor until they are 20 after that it is something like 20-30 dollars. I didnt pay anything out of pocket to have my children including my prenatal and my stay at the hospital. This is available to all people and the care is consistant with all people. This has led to (among other factors of course) that Sweden has one of the lowest infant mortality rates worldwide (about 2.75 of 1000, which is 3rd where as the US lies # 46 with an infant mortality rate of 6.26 of 1000)

Now I could go on and on about similar things that include, average life expectancy between the countries and Quality of Life indicators, but I will not as this is not really the question and I apologize for going off on a tangent.

I for one have not read the whole of the bill (only sections of it as it is VERY long and hard to follow) but I do know that something has to change. I hope to move home closer to my family one day and I have to say the whole insurance thing scare the ever living stuff out of me when I listen to peoples troubles with getting the care they need and how much out of pocket they have to pay. Health costs have flown away way out of control and it has become unreasonable to pay. Health is not only for the wealthy, it shouldn't be a privileged it should be a right (in my opinion of course). This bill may or not not be the answer to these questions but I see it as a start. I would not expect anyone to have all the answers and will probably take a long time to get it set up so that it is truly functional. If it is ruled against then I am glad that at least someone has tried and brought up the issue, if it's ruled in favor of I will look to see what about it needs to change to make it work better.

These of course are my opinions and do not expect anyone to agree with me, I do not like getting political really, but really wanted to share my point of view as it comes from a slightly different place.

No. It won't change my opinion.

No won't change my thinking.

If I think it's the greatest thing and the Supreme court rules against it, I will think they are idiots.

If I think it is evil incarnate and they rule for it, I will think they are idiots.

If the Supreme court rules with my current thinking, I will think they are brilliant.

Isn't that how it goes?

LOL, that's my point. If you ask the average person (or so it seems) and they disagree with your opinion, you are automatically an idiot, or a loser, or a what have you. If you agree, well then you are brilliant. Didn't you slightly prove my point? I said something you didn't agree with (even though I was joking) so now, I may not be a rational person. For some reason, and I will admit to doing it myself, when we form an opinion we stick to our guns regardless of the validity of the point. Didn't I prove my own point? I said it wouldn't change my opinion. We all have room for improvement, and I think we all need to take a step back and for once decide what is going to be best for this country and ALL of it's citizens, instead of just me, me, me. End of rant. :)