Mmr

J.

If you are interested in any research about the link between autism and vaccines a couple of good websites are:

M.O.M. (Michigan Opposing Mandatory Vaccines) www.momvaccines.org

MCPA (Michigan Chiropractic Pediatric Association)
www.mcpakids.org

ICPA (International Chiropratic Pediatric Association)
www.icpa4kids.org

All three have tons of facts and research about vaccinations that you might not be aware exsist. I have personally looked at the research onn all three sites, I know that there are several books available but I do not have the names with me and I have not read them myself.

I am a firm believer in letting the body work the way it was designed by allowing it heal and protect itself. This is achieved by makeing sure that there are no interferences in the nervous system, eating properly, exercising reguarly and keeping as stress free as possible.
I hope that this helps. If you have any other questions please contact me, I am a chiropractor at Khalil Family Chiropractic in Eastpointe. Our phone number is ###-###-#### and our email is www.khalilwellness.com.

Yours in Health and Wellness
Dr. B.

Dr. B.

It's not just the MMR vaccine to be concerened about. It is the conglomorate of toxic ingredients in all the vaccine cocktails they put in our children. These include thimerosal (yes the mercury is still in many vaccines), aluminum, formaldehyde, anti freeze, aborted fetal tissue, mouse brain serum, the list is endless and you can get it online from the CDC. Other websites to look at are:
WWW.GENERATIONRESCUE.ORG
WWW.NVIC.ORG
WWW.THINKTWICE.COM

The best advice is to be open to a new point of view on the "perceived" benefit and "actual" risk of what vaccines are doing in the delicate and growing neurological bodies of our precious children.

Best of luck in your research Mama!

Not at all. The reality of the link is two things 1) the vaccine most people fear is not used any longer and 2) there is a slight chance that individuals with a mitochondrial abnormality might be a higher risk of Autism factor disorder that ANY toxin would trigger. This includes the very things that are in the vaccine, so if you kid is exposed in that same window, and had the risk factor, to the flu, any pox, disease, fever, etc they will be more likely to be in that spectrum of disorders. Also, keep in mind the timing of the disorder tends to correlate to the timing that we give shots. So that children tend to "show" signs of their disease around the time they got their shots simply because of developmental milestones correlating with vaccine schedules... correlations do not equate to causation!

The other reality is that we as humans live in a herd. Your not getting vaccinated places the whole at greater risk; not just your own child's life but people are risking those that truly cannot get vaccinated, older people, people with compromised immune system, etc. And. most people are choosing not to vaccinate for the wrong reason. Do you have a family risk factor? If so discuss an alternative schedule with a doctor. But, if there was some secret evidence that vaccines kill dont you think that people in the health care profession, especially researchers and doctors would be less likely to use vaccines? Well, they are typically the first in line to do so.

J.,

I did a lot of research before my daughter was born 15m ago and my husband and I decided not to do vaccines at all. I know it says it's a small % chance that something may happen to your baby, but it's my baby and I value her life and health and I would never put her at such risk for something that in my mind she doesn't need.

I would suggest that you read "The Vaccine Guide" by randall neustader, very very good concise book about each vaccine and the history behind it. He also touches on the business side of Vaccines, which was VERY enlightening! He also puts in homeopathic/natural cures for different problems like say chicken pox instead of getting the vaccine.

Very good book!

None of my children are vaccinated any longer. My middle daughter has asthma and I'm firmly convinced that it's in part because of the vaccinations she received. I encourage anyone who is unsure to spend the time educating themselves. You DO NOT have to be a medical professional to make appropriate healthy decisions for yourself and your family. Learn about what it is that we are vaccinating against, and compare those symptoms to the potential fall out from the vaccinations themselves. Really educate yourself - don't listen to 'just your doctor' and above all DO NOT MAKE ANY DECISION BASED ON FEAR. Regardless of who is offering the 'information' (your MD or your non-vaxing neighbor) back it up yourself - you are the only one who will deal with the consequence's regardless of which way you go. 909shot.com is a resource I've used as well as googling mary tocco - those are all I can come up w/ while I'm still waking up.

I haven't read through all of the responses, so I apologize if I am duplicating information here. I just spoke with my cousin about all of this last night. His 2nd child is severely autistic, which didn't come about until he had a severe reaction to an immunization at 4 months of age. This vaccine isn't in use anymore, but was the equivalent of Dtap (I believe). Like others have said, there is no scientific proof that this was the cause of it. His 1st child had no problems with the exact same immunization schedule. However, my cousin went to a seminar for parents of children with autism and 95% of the parents said their autistic child had a severe reaction to an immunization (most from MMR, but not only this one) and that no symptoms were present prior to this. I don't believe that the medical community is covering anything up. I just believe that the link or combination of factors hasn't been figured out yet.
My cousin gave me a ton of useful information and references to look into, and also gave me an immunization schedule that is endorsed by an autism group. It does NOT call for not immunizing your child. It just recommends that certain shots be broken up. This means that from 4 months of age to 9 months he will get a shot or two each month. This obviously means more trips to the doctor's office, but I believe that is a small price to pay. It recommends splitting up Dtap, hib and polio: have hib and polio together one month, then Dtap the next (or vice versa). It also does NOT suggest skipping getting vaccinated against MMR. A safer way to do it is to do each one individually, and have each shot separated by at least 6 months. Before the child starts school he will have to be tested for immunity to MMR and can receive a titre as needed.
There are also other tips: such as never vaccinating a sick child and giving your child Vitamin C before and after a vaccine. It may help to find a vaccination that is mercury free, but this can be hard to find as these cost about $5 more per vaccine and the pediatrician does not get reimbursed for the extra cost.
I will pass along a website and a book as well, for anyone else out there who is interested. The book, by Stephanie Cave, is called "What Your Doctor May Not Tell You About Children's Vaccinations". Chapter 15 is the one to read if you don't read any others. The website is: www.vaccinationnews.com/dailynews/july2002/aut&imm23.htm
Another source is the National Vaccine Information Center.

If anyone would like more information about any of this (such as the vaccination schedule I spoke about), PLEASE contact me on this website or send an email to me at ____@____.com My cousin is very passionate about this topic, and I'm sure has a ton more info he would love to share.

From the research I've done (and I'm by no means an expert), it looks like it's likely a combination of genetics AND the toxins we put into our bodies (meaning vaccines, environmental toxins, and preservatives in foods, etc). My nephew is on the Autism spectrum and it was right after he had an MMR shot AND a flu vaccine with thimerosol (mercury) at the same time that he totally regressed. He went from a normally developing little boy to a little boy with many, many behavioral, bowel, and social issues. He's gotten better through many therapies and a strict diet but he still struggles. My sister in law recently had his titers checked and it's hard to deny that MMR had something to do with his condition... Doctors typically will say that a person is immune from a disease when their titers are over 5 (I think that's it). My nephew was recently tested at 100 and since they stop measuring at 100, they have no idea exaclty how high his titers are. This means that the vaccine-related measles are basically colonizing in his body. So, long story short, yes I believe MMR contributes to autism. It's probably not the single cause but I think it's probably a trigger for kids who are genetically predisposed. I have a 21 month old daughter whom I've been vaccinating very slowly and selectively (no more than 1 vaccination per visit, never vaccinate when she's sick - even a cold, and allow at least a month between shots so that her little body can recover). I'm choosing to opt out of the MMR and Chicken Pox vaccines altogether because, like another poster mentioned, they are not deadly diseases. They're merely an inconvenience in childhood and can be very dramatic if contracted as an adult. And the only way to get lifelong immunity is to actually have a disease and gain natural immunity... Vaccines usually "wear off" which is why there is a need for boosters and adults don't typically continue to get vaccination boosters when they're older.

It's really frustrating because the government is so attached to Big Pharma that we are being required to vaccinate our children more and more with little to no studies on how the vaccines interact with each other...

My best recommendations to mothers is to read up on vaccines and the illnesses they try to prevent (another problem: vaccines aren't effective on everyone). And ask 5 important questions before deciding to proceed with each vaccine:
1. Is the disease common?
2. Is the disease severe (life threatening)?
3. Are the vaccine ingredients safe (many are still made with mercury and formeldahyde)?
4. Are the vaccine side effects severe?
5. Is the disease a public health risk?

Best of luck! As you can tell, many people feel very passionate about this subject :)

1) Those stating that measles, mumps & rubella are not serious illnesses are misinformed. They *can* be mild, and they can be deadly. Those that had mild cases should count themselves lucky.
2) we live in a global society. Because your neighborhood is not currently affected by some of these preventable diseases, does not mean that it will not happen. People travel all over the globe - to places where these preventable diseases are NOT eradicated - and become carriers, able to spread it without actually "having" the disease. It does not take much to have a previously absent disease rear its ugly head again.
3) Polio was not that long ago. it was virtually eliminated from our society from a VACCINE. Do not be naive to think that a disease cannot come back.
4) the ingredients... some are speaking of brain tissue, fetal tissue, and other unnatural ingredients etc. Yes, that is correct. These things ARE in vaccines. For a reason. Because they have proven to help supress the disease in question. Or help to preserve the integrity of said vaccine. Did you know that they have research showing that Shark brain material may help cure Alzheimer's? If its proven to do so, would you NOT use it on your mother/father/husband solely because its 'shark brains'? That makes no sense to me. There have also been tests using a very low grade of jet fuel to help cure cancer... if it works, would you choose to die of cancer, or inject it into your body?

It is a very personal decision. Keep in mind that you are not forced by the government to vaccinate your child. You can waive it to get them into school. So "forced" is not an issue. Alos keep in mind that MANY of the websites being offered up here are strictly EMOTIONAL evidence to not vaccinate. A lot of "my friend's child has autism..." stories instead of sound medical research. Though emotional evidence can be quite a good persuasive technique, it is NOT medical research.

Be careful how you make your decision.
look at ALL sides.

***sorry if this double-posts - my servr bombed on me the first time.
M.

My husband and I after much research decided that we would not continue with vaccines. He recieved the first 2 sets before we really looked at all the info. We read the book The Vaccine Guide and it really does well explaining the issues. We will select specific ones to do after he is older. Pharma. companies make alot of money at all these vaccines- of course pediatricians will tell you your harming your child if you don't have them- it is their job, it is our job to use our own minds and make the final choice. By the way- you CAN find a Dr. who is OK with delaying them.

I think it's important to keep in mind that even if a child is vaccinated.... they can still get diseases. You really just have to research and weigh the information and make a decision for yourself.

Hi J.:

Until the Medical Community has come up with a common reason why children get Autism - lets not rule anything out. There is no proof it does not relate, as well as no cause for Autism. They only thing they know is something triggers a neurological change.

I myself have chosen not to give shots until over 2yrs old. My doctor feels this is safe, as my children do not attend day school. They did recieve the 3 and 6 month shots.

It is a personal choice at this point, but I know of 3 friends where their children had not spoken once given the shots at 18 months old. One is 15 now and has still not spoken a word. He was otherwise an active and healthy child prior to.

I always try to remember it is up to us as parents to try and keep our child safe.

M.

This might help...
http://www.cdc.gov/od/science/iso/concerns/mmr_autism_fac....

It's from the Center for Disease Control. Also, the AMA has spent millions of dollars in resarch and have found it not true. Vaccinations are often blamed for autism but it just happens that the signs of autism happen to start to show about the same time kids are usually given the vaccines.

I don't believe that the MMR contributes highly to Autism.
I believe ALL vaccines do. My son is 3 and autistic and never had any vaccines after he was 6 months, which means he never got the MMR.
If you put unnatural things in their body, unnatural things will happen. Common sense. To those who don't believe we are poisoning our children, look at the list of ingredients in vaccines. How can injecting your child with dead animal and human matter, formaldehyde, thermosil, aluminum, etc be good for them. There is so much talk about the drug companies taking Thermosil out of vaccines to make them 'safer', but did you know that they are replacing it with formaldehyde? If you want to listen to what the idiot American government has to say, the CDC states that in no amount, even trace amounts is formaldehyde safe for humans to come into contact with, in any shape or form, including injection, and "Formaldehyde is a potent sensitizer and a probable human carcinogen."
Yeah, go American government.

i have given both my girls all their vaccinces mmr including and they have no problems, i also have breast fed them over 1 year, my first daughter untill she was 14 months, and am still breast feeding my 1 year old. maybe that has something to do with it as well.

J.,
I have two kids in that age-range right now. My job is in Early Intervention for children with special needs and yes, we see lots of children with Autism. I have also looked at alot of the stories and research on this topic as well as talked about it with my pediatrician. Here;s what I know:
1) Children are often identified as having Autism-like characteristics between 24-36 months and it's often a "speech concern" - an area in which children with Autism typically present with significant delays
2) that MMR shot occurs in the 6-12 months before a normally developing child "explodes" with their language.
3) NOT vaccinating a child also is risky not only for your child but also for the community. It may or may not be the best option.
4) research is ongoing but you can find study after study and story after story for both sides of the issue - that yes it does or no it doesn't (FYI: supreme court denied lawsuit against vaccine manufacturer by parents claiming it caused their child's autism).
5) A child can be identified with Autistic characteristics before 15 months.
6) Autism is a syndrome with unknown cause - currently thought to be a combination of biological (chemical), neurological, maybe genetic, and immune system factors.
7) If you are concerned that your child may have Autism, or have a family history of Autism or Asperger's, talk to your pediatrician and don't let him/her blow you off; check Eleanor Washington's Early Symptoms of Autism (google).

I think being informed about the lack of consensus is important for parents. I think it empowers us as parents to make the decision that we truly feel is correct. I hope this helps you and all the other parents of little ones.

YUP! I know that they say that it is not connected but I have an 11 yr old brother who was an ABSOLUTE NORMAL child until his MMR shot at 18 Mo....he had a reaction of a very high fever and after that never said Mama or Dada until he was almost 5 yrs. old....like I said he was normal before and said Mama and Dada and many other words before this shot....he also played and gave eye contract like a normal child....now I have a daughter who is 14 mo. old and I am so scared to have this shot given to her...I dont want to do it....I cant imagine going through what my parents went through.

I talked with my daughter's doctor about it and he told me there isn't enough evidence/proof to link MMR/Immunizations to Autism. Before I decided to get pregnant, I did some research because I heard the same thing. What I found was that it can't be directly linked to Autism. Some studies showed that of the children that developled Autism after vaccinations, already had a "marker" for it. I don't know I'm not a professional. It's just amazing how none of this seemed to be an issue for us when we were growing up. However, the risk of harm to our children is far greater if we don't get them vaccinated and I just don't want to take that chance with my children's health.

Yes, but I worry about all vaccines and autism. We've opted to put our 17 month old daughter on an abbreviated vaccine schedule and have gotten very few immunizations. If forced by the government to vaccinate with the MMR, it won't be until she's a lot older-just before starting school. I'm also hoping that the drug companies will have split the vaccines up instead of giving all three in one injection, which gives parents a lot more options. Although I don't see that happening.

Read Jenny McCarthy's book, Louder than Words. It is a very interesting, easy read and seemed to have some good things to consider about vaccines and Autism. It is very inspiring as well.

I have a friend who was SO SURE that mmr gave her son autism, until 10 years later when she had #2 and could see right from the start how different they were. Hope that helps!!!

J. mom to 2 16 and 9 years old.

Hi J.,

There has been a connection with Autism from the MMR. I have a friend that has three children, and two of them have Autism. Their third child they decided not to vaccinate, because of the their first two children.

There is a lot of information online regarding this subject. You can also type in "ingredients of MMR". Here is alittle insert of an article regarding the MMR:"Dr. Steven Walker of the Wake Forest University School of Medicine in North Carolina, conducted a study in which he found that 85% of samples taken from the intestines of children with regressive autism contain the vaccine measles strain." The rest of the article can be found at www.poisonevercure.150m.com and then click on MMR. There are many articles on this website regarding other vaccinations.

If you can, try and get a hold of some DVD's, such as "Vaccines- what CDC Documents and science reveal" by Dr. Sherri Tenpenny. Also, "Shoot em up- the truth about vaccines".

In Japan, when the vaccine schedule began at 2 years of age- rather than at birth, SIDS rates dropped to 0%. That in itself says something to me about vaccines at such an early age.

Though the thimerisol(mercury) has been taken out of most vaccines, a couple of them still contain traces of it, such as the Influenza(flu). Aluminum is in a few of the vaccines now too, which I believe is a heavy metal. Ask your pediatrician for a list of ingredients in all of the vaccines, and then do a search online for the ingredients, and check what the MSDS(material safety data sheet) has to say about it- if found. My pediatrician gave me a list of ingredients found in the vaccines.

Hope this helps, and good luck.
K.

Check out: http://generationrescue.org/vaccines.html. My husband and I are planning to space out and delay some of my sons vaccines (he's only 5 weeks old right now). We already waited until he was 1 month old for the first Hep B vaccine instead of having it administered at birth.

Regarding MMR, we are hoping to separate the shots - but I've recently read the separate shots have some mercury, so I have still have to look into that. Ideally we will give them one shot per visit - definitely NOT up to 6 allowed by the CDC. We may also delay the MMR until he is much older (after 2 yrs old), but I still have to do more research.

You can delay, stagger, or refuse any vaccines you do not want - just make sure you do your homework, keep track and find an educated doctor.

I have 6 children and have given all of them all of their immunizations. I personally, would be far more worried about my child contracting measles, mumps, or rubella, than having any problems from the immunization.
Also, keep in mind ALL of the children that have had the vaccine with no complications, versus the FEW who do!
A. W.

Hi Jan! Is it all vaccines or just the MMR that you're concerned about? Are there other immune system issues in the family?

The government admitted recently that there was "one" connection linking vaccinations and autism, but it was because too many vaccines had been given too close together.

Have you thought about other ways to feed the immune system whether you choose to vaccinate or not?

There's alot involved isn't there? And I feel for you as you guide as Grandma.

M. G

J.,
I'm sure the responses you'll receive will run the gamut, but I will share my thoughts from the perspective of a pediatrician and mom.
There is a lot of media hype out there about autism and a possible connection to vaccines or preservatives used in vaccines. If you do the research, there have been many large studies done to try to find a connection, and there has been no significant correlation found. The health care industry is not trying to cover anything up. Why would we want to give vaccines to children with ingredients we know may harm them? There have been concerns about Thimerisol (a mercury derivative) in vaccines. That ingredient has been removed from almost all vaccines, especially those given to children under 6 years old. The supposed connection some have made to the MMR and autism is more likely related to the fact that autism symptoms generally begin to manifest themselves during the second year of life, around the same point in time most children receive the MMR (at around 12-15 months). The reason for autism is not widely known. There have been some recent studies that show some cases related to certain genetic mutations, but more still needs to be learned.

The positive effects of the MMR is that all three diseases, measles, mumps and rubella have nearly been eliminated in our country. But with the fears out there about immunizations, we fear that with some people choosing not to immunize, these diseases may make a come-back. Both measles and mumps can have severe consequences including encephalitis, seizures, and death. Mumps can cause infertility in males. Rubella is especially harmful to babies in utero causing serious birth defects.
I hope this hasn't been too much. But I have chosen to immunize my children, and I work in the field. I would personally recommend everyone immunize their children, unless there are specific contraindications related to a specific health care problem.

My children

I absolutely beleive that vaccines contibute to autism. As far as the MMR vaccine did you know that there are less than 50 reported cases of measles each year - in the US - and in most of these cases the child contracts it overseas and brings it back with them. Not to mention my husband had the measles when he was younger and he is just fine. Most of these diseases they are trying to vaccinate against are diseases of filth (i.e, small pox). Meaning we now have water purification systems, septic systems, etc. Our bodies were created to heal themselves. Also, the first case claiming vaccines caused autism was settled - the mother was a lawyer and the father was a neurosurgeon. They won the case and the settlement is being paid with taxpayers dollars - they didn't want the case to get any pub. Check out this website www.childhoodshots.com
I realize that someone said the "supreme court denied a lawsuit" (regarding the aforementioned autism/vaccine case) here is a link - and yes, they won the lawsuit http://www.weitzlux.com/autism/lawsuit_###-###-####.html
Also, many parents are stating we who don't vaccinate our children are putting everyone else at risk, why are you worried if your child is already vaccinated? Besides many strains of the Meseales, Mumps, etc. have mutated so the vaccines your child may have gotten may no longer be any good.
Here's a couple more facts:
Autism is being called a "genetic epidemic" there is no such thing in one generation.
Japan outlawed MMR after the large jump in incidencies.
For every child that has had all their shots when they start school the school system gets money for your child having been vaccinated????
I don't mean to ramble but I urge parents to take a closer look. We are our children's only defense!!!

It is the combo shot that is the great debate topic. They say that there is something about the mixture and hitting the kids with those 3 at one time. We do vac. our kids. But I choose to spread the mmr shot out.... One at 12 mo, one at 15 mo, and one at 18 mo. Most doctors have the single dose shots in their office or can get them really easily...
I looked into it and even though the odds are low that all cases are caused by shots, Do I want MY guy to be one of them when I knowingly can get the seperate shots and give his body the time to work out the toxins one at a time?

If it truly is a worry you can also opt to have a delayed vac. schedule.... In that the kids don't get the mmr shot until about 2 or 3... After the path ways are firm in the brain.

NO. I have a child with autism and I don't believe that vaccines cause autism. The bulk of the symptoms show up at the same time as the MMR is generally given. There are more subtle symptoms that show earlier, but parents just don't see them. When I had read what the symptoms are in babies and infants, my son was showing a good deal of them.

Recent reports show that autism may be on the 16th Chromosome... I saw a special on PBS, scientists have found that autism can sit on over 100 genes.

Personally, I think there are so many preservatives and chemicals and antibiotics and junk in our foods. There are a great deal of autistic children that show lessoning of their symptoms by removing certain things from their diets. Not just gluten and casien, but also red dye 1 and other things.

I chose to vaccinate my son... His aspergers sits on the NSD1 gene, which mutated, giving him Sotos Syndrome. I do chose to do titers on vaccines he had had as a baby and are due to have again now. ... Alot of illnesses are resurfacing due to parents chosing not to vaccinate their children.

I think there still needs to be an aweful lot of research to be done on this subject.

Well, J. this is such a hot topic! I actually believe there may be a connection between the MMR and autism. I've done ALOT of research on this subject and I understand that there is a genetic predisposition to autism that is triggered by environmental factors.

I believe the MMR is the largest and most powerful trigger. I have vaccinated my kids however, I did not vaccinate either of my two children with the MMR, we skipped that one. I do not regret that.....I do however have VERY mixed feelings about the chicken pox vaccine. How many vaccines are we going to jab our kids with??

I believe in the saying "where there is smoke.....there is fire". So, I'm very cautious to be aware that there MAY be a direct link to autism through immunizations. It may take years to find the cause and until then I am very cautious to look at all suspects!

I also understand that food is another source of debate. I think that what you put into your kids is what you'll get out. If your kids are sick and under the weather, do you give them donuts and french fries to get better? No! You would give them healthy fruits and vegetables and nourishing things. Well, when a child has a different deficiency, the same would apply. A child with autism, aspergers, ADD, learning difficulties and the like should be given WHOLE foods ~ nothing processed or loaded with things their body can't handle.

Have I gotten off of the subject......sorry, I tend to do that! I hope you find the answers you are looking for!

Best wishes,
M.

A great reference book is Healing the New Childhood Epidemics by Dr. Kenneth Bock

Absolutely. I have not vax my son at all, he is 20 months old. At the very least, I am waiting until the myelin sheath on his nerves is more fully developed, around 5 years old. I understand that NO VACCINES were EVER approved to be given in combination with each other, so I will attempt to give them one at a time. As far as the MMR vaccine is concerned, I will not be giving that one. Measles, mumps and rubella are all mild, almost benign childhood diseases. If my child does contract these diseases in childhood, he will benefit from lifelong immunity and will never need a vaccine for them. They can be very serious in adulthood. The government and Big Pharma are setting us all up for a dependency on vaccines by "forcing" us to take these vaccines in childhood for diseases that are little more than an inconvenience in childhood, but are serious in adulthood (chicken pox is one of them, too.) There is no better immunity than natural immunity, I believe allowing my child the opportunity to develop it is part of forming a healthy immune system.

Research your options. Only you can know what is best for your family. We chose to selectively vaccinate our children for diseases that are prevalent in the environment (tetanus, polio - still circulating through Amish communities with whom we interact, etc.) and only that AFTER they turned 2. Thankfully, our doctor is willing to treat "normal" childhood diseases that our parents and grandparents survived, like measles, pertussis, chicken pox, etc. This is a rarity, as we have been kicked out of 3 pediatricians' offices for our decisions. Good luck!