Inconsiderate & Irresponsible Sister Making Me Feel like I Have a Second Child.

Updated on December 08, 2008
K.A. asks from Bend, OR
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My sister (19) and I moved in together this summer to save on some expenses. We agreed to 50% of the utilities and rent each (and yes, my daughter is living with us full-time). I budgeted according to this, as did she (with my dad's help.. so I know she didn't do it wrong). I then accepted a job based on that, and right now I don't make anything extra (still in my 90-trial period I guess you could call it).
Anyway, she is now expecting me to pay 70% of everything. Saying it isn't fair because for whatever reason she can't pay her bills now. She claims to have been looking for a part-time job (for 3 months now), but I hear her talking to her long-distance boyfriend 5 hours a night (until 1-2am), and she's in school all day (8-5), so I'm not really sure how she's "looking for a job".

To me, it doesn't matter if it is or isn't fair, 50% is what we agreed to, and in any other situation, her roommate would have kicked her out by now and found someone new. It's really bothering me that she doesn't seem to take her responsibilities seriously. Lucky for her that I wouldn't kick out a family member... even when it's the "family" that is making my life miserable.

I'm sure I'm not helping the situation right now because it's come to a point where I really don't care anymore. She's threatening my ability to provide for my child and keep my amazing credit score (which is kind of important when I am thinking about purchasing a home within the next year or so).

So, examples of fun things that have happened in the past 2 weeks:

(before the story: she has purchased exactly 4 rolls of toilet paper for the household in the past three months) I brought her to the airport the day before Thanksgiving, during rush hour, dropped her off, and then met a girlfriend for dinner. After dinner we went back to my house for awhile, and when she went to use the restroom she asked where the extra toilet paper was, because we were out. I said "under the sink". She looked and they were not there... so I looked everywhere I could think that it might have been placed, only to find all the toilet paper in my sisters closet, under a bunch of coats.

I asked her what was bothering her so much about living in our house. She proceeded to tell me that I was taking advantage of her because I take longer showers and leave my lights on longer than her. In my past experiences with roommates, one person usually uses more than the other in every type of thing you do... such as the roommate I had who took 2-3 showers a day... or the one who watched the only tv we had every night, even though we were both paying for the cable tv, and I never watched it... However, I still paid my portion, because I'm sure there is something that I do that is different than them. It's just how roommate situations work. Not to mention, I drive her to school every day, and she doesn't pay me for gas. It didn't and wouldn't even occur to me to ask her, because it's just something you do to help out your family. She obviously doesn't have that mindset.

I'm starting to feel like she see's me as this "mother" figure, and therefore is treating me like her mother... someone who takes care of her bills and household items (toilet paper, dish soap, shaving cream, tampons... she uses everything, but never buys any of these things)...

I'm getting to the point where I want her out. But I don't know how to go about doing it. I need a roommate, because I can't afford this house on my own. Anyone have any suggestions, or any similar situations? Please don't criticize, this is not the entire story... it's just the points that have really frustrated me recently and made my life as a single mother more stressful than they need to be.

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So What Happened?

Thanks everyone! I'll see if she will sit down with me and have a true heart-to-heart. We've never really been close, only since she's graduated high school... so I guess if she wants to go back to that, then that would be her decision. Unfortunately we do have a lease, with BOTH our names on it... so I can't just move out of this place right now. We have until August, and hopefully we'll be able to live with each other peacefully until then. Then I'm out of here.

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J.T.

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I think the best solutiuon is to find a place you share only with your daughter. Even if its a one bedroom. Then you can rebuild/work on your relationship with your sister. Your living situation is not working out. SO change it because you can't change your sister. Your siter's actions sound inmature. Your story is a reminder to everyone to get financial agreements in writing to keep things clear for both parties. I think you are better off setting up house on your own.

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A.B.

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You need to sit her down and lay out the bills (including food, supplies, etc.), and explain that your agreement was for her to pay half, and that's what she needs to do. Give her 2 months, and if she hasn't found a job, let her know that you'll need her to move out at that point. You're not helping her grow into a responsible adult by enabling her to act like a child. Another roommate wouldn't put up with it, and she's old enough to take responsibility for herself. She may be upset initially, but as she gets older, she'll appreciate your position.

My husband's 25 yr old sister has been coddled by the family her whole life (she's the baby of 4 kids, 12 yrs younger than my hubby), and I'm getting tired of it. She has a Masters degree, but is still living at home with no job and not much of a plan. It was one thing when she was 18 for me to always pay if we went out to lunch, etc., but she still doesn't ever offer. If we go anywhere, she will stand back when it comes time to pay unless I clearly just step forward and pay for myself. She always expects other people to get her expensive gifts, even though she doesn't put much thought or effort into gifts for anyone... I truly believe that she's this way just because everyone in the family has put up with it and enabled it for so long. This is the first year that all of her siblings are just fed up with her and are stepping back to let her flounder a little....

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M.P.

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I've continued to live with a room mate when we both were resentful. To do so takes a serious toll on your sense of well being. If you aren't able to find a way to at least feel neutral about your sister it is likely that you will be keeping your daughter in a negative environment while in the stage in her life during which she is developing life long attitudes. Both you and your daughter will be stressed which will also affect your relationship with each other.

So, if you decide to continue as it is you'll benefit best if you work on your negative feelings toward her. I haven't been able to do that during my lifetime. In your situation I would continue feeling resentful which is not a good way of living for any of you.

I suggest that you try different options if talking with her doesn't change the situation. If your father can be a helpful resource I'd involve him. Some fathers would tell her to pay her half and provide a consequence if she didn't. Depends on your father's personality and relationship with you and your sister. Is he able and would he be willing to pay your sister's half and then he would have the responsibility of getting the money from your siser.

Another idea is to literally divide the expenses. EAch of you supply your own supplies and keep them in your own bedrooms. Each of you has a seperate shelf in the refrigerator. That sort of thing. Each of you write a check to the landlord. Or establish a common fund out of which to pay the rent and utilities. By doing this you will have documentation that she is not paying her half of the rent and utilities and your aren't paying for her personal expenses. This also removes you a step or two away from feeling responsible for keeping your sister living there.

Documentation, because it makes what's happening clear, may help you to be able to move her out. Now you're too personally involved because she's your sister.

I would also consult someone with knowledge of landlord/tenant law to see if you might have the ability to "break" your lease. Again your landlord might be willing to release you from the lease if he knew your circumstances. It's to his advantage to have you move out instead of falling behind in the rent. I had to move before the end of a lease and had no problem doing so. You can agree to pay the rent until he finds a new tenant.

There is at least one office in Portland that focuses on landlord/tenant issues. I don't remember it's name but I think you could find it on the Internet or in the phone book.

Another option is to use the free services of a government funded mediation office. Again I don't remember the name but I did participate in a mediation when a neighbor called them so that we could work out a difference. They were helpful in helping each of us express our own opinions and in getting us to listen to the other person's opinion. We had a couple of breaks when our emotins began to take over. They led us towards an agreement which they put on paper and had both of us sign it. They will stay with you and even make additional appointments, within reason, to help you come to a resolution. They do not give their opinion. They do ask questions that would reveal your sister's faulty thinking. This will help if she's able to accept that possibility.

To address the "won't kick out a relative." I've been in that situation and discussed this with a counselor. He helped me see that I didn't have to tell him to move out. I just had to set my boundaries and refuse to change them. It was then his responsibility to do what he had to do to stay with me. I listed my boundaries. I had two. I then told my brother that I would like him to continue living with me and then discussed what each of us needed to continue in this relationship (sharing my home)Since it was my home I had the last word but I didn't express it that way to him. Accepting that I did have the last word helped me to stay with my boundaries.

I tried to keep it a calm and friendly discussion but ended up having to say, "I want you to live here but your dogs are destroying my carpet and they cannot live her." "I also need rent money. How much can you afford?" He's still living with me but the dogs aren't. He pays rent that is based on his income. I really do like him living here.

You could say something like, I want you to be able to live here but when you don't pay 50% as we agreed we cannot keep this house. We will both be evicted if the rent isn't paid. Same for utilities. They will be shut off. I'm not able to pay your share. It's your decision either to stay and pay your half or leave.

If she continues to stay andnot pay her half you'll get a 30 day notice during which she will be forced to leave because she won't be able to pay the past amount due. You continue to pay your half. Do not take on her responsibilities.
This will be tricky. You'll also have to move if you can't pay her half at the time you receive the 30 day notice. Perhaps you could arrange for a loan to pay it. This is a time when knowing your landlord and letting him know your plan would be helpful. I wouldn't try this step until I'd discussed it with the landlord/tenant office and your landlord.

In the meantime, while you're trying other options, look for another room mate. Ask friends, post notices, advertise etc. If you don't know the person who applies but they seem compatible, require that they provide you with a copy of the credit report and criminal history before accepting them. You might want to confirm their employment. Then both of you sign a legal contract. Keep the apartment in your name only.

You have to decide if you'd rather stick it out or find an alternative keeping in mind that if she isn't able to pay her half and neither are you, you both will be evicted. You will not be living there in August and you'll have put a black mark on your rental history and credit report. If you want to prevent this consequence, you will need to spend some intensive time investigating other options right now before the situation becomes a crisis.

You are between a rock and a hard place! Anything that you do will not be easy. And, as you know you cannot depend on your sister actually doing what she's agreed on after the conversation you're planning. I'm recommending having a plan B and C.

I wish you success and will be thinking of you.
M.

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K.H.

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First, I think you've been more than fair in the arrangement. And yes, her part to pay is 1/2, no less.
I think I would write down each thing that is bothering you, and ask her to do the same, then hold a family meeting to discuss your lists. Explain to your sister you love her, but some of the wrinkles need to be ironed out in your living arrangement, and that if you two can't agree on the conditions that need to be set down, then your living arrangement will not work out, and you'll need to go your separate ways as far as sharing the same living space. Do this nicely, without temper...and explain that you realize you are two different people with two different lifesyles, but that some agreements must be met for this to work out. It might also help to talk to your dad about the situation, since she does sound immature, and might just not get it.

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M.B.

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I have had a similar situation. Get rid of her. Tell her that unless she starts paying all of her portion then yu are going to give her a 30 days notice. Let her know that she is responsible for her on toiletries and such. Then sit and wait and see what happens. If in 30 days she does not have her stuff together that give her the notice

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B.O.

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I think she was a jerk to hide the toilet paper. That is a very selfish, hoarding act. She should find another living situation. Would Dad be willing to take her in or help get her out of your space? She really should live alone, so she can experience living on her own. I have another question-is the lease in your name only? If it is, which it sounds like, it is your responsibility to budget for the entire rent/bills amount on your own, in case of roommate failure to pay. If it's only your name on the lease, you are the only one legally responsible. And you can't blame anyone for threatening your ability to provide for your child but yourself, regardless of any situation you are in. Good luck!

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