Anyone Heard of Arbonne and the Figure 8 Weight Loss Program?

Updated on March 15, 2008
A.P. asks from East Peoria, IL
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I went to a Ladies Day Out fund raiser at my 1st grader's school. There was an Arbonne rep discussing the Figure 8 weight loss program and the vitamins. It's expensive but if it works, it would be worth it. Anyone ever tried it? The skin care products look interesting as well. Would like to hear from people who have tried it before spending all that money:)

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H.S.

answers from Chicago on

Sorry I don't know about the weight loss program, but I do love the baby products...especially the baby wash, lotion, and diaper cream. My 8 month old is allergic to a lot of products, but not this one!

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A.S.

answers from Chicago on

I am a personal trainer. Any system will work if you stick with it. I like Arbonne products, but there's nothing magical about them or any other product.

Anyone who wants to lose needs to control food intake and workout regularly. Forever.

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C.B.

answers from Chicago on

A.,

I've used the Arbonne Re products for over 6 months and I really like how my skin feels and looks. They are expensive but I think they are worth it.

C.

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K.S.

answers from Chicago on

There are no "magic pills or programs" for weightloss! It is all about choosing the right foods, portion control, and exercise! If this program supports these three things...and you feel it is something that you can stick with for a LIFETIME, then go for it!

I recently lost 70 pounds with Weight Watchers. I have totally changed my outlook on food (and I am vegan), I ENJOY exercising! So, I strongly believe that a "support system" is the best way to change your lifestyle!

Go for it. & keep us posted on your success!

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C.P.

answers from Chicago on

I don't know very much about Arbonne, but I am an registered nurse with my own wellness consulting business called Pure Life (see alternative medicine section of Mamasource business listings) through which I sell Shaklee products. Shaklee has a wonderful inch-loss program called Cinch that I would love to share info about with you. Shaklee also has fabulous skin care products that are very reasonably priced and work wonders for your skin! Shaklee is an incredible company worth looking into. Please visit www.shaklee.net/cpeterson. Thanks! Have a happy and healthy day!

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S.L.

answers from Chicago on

A.,

I am an independent consultant with Arbonne and I would love to talk with you about our amazing Figure 8 weight loss line. I first started with Arbonne when my mom was diagnosed with a very aggresive form of breast cancer. I then found out that my grandma had also battled breast cancer and now I was high risk. The nurses that worked with my mom at chemotherapy began to educate her on how so many of the things we purchase, use and consume on the market can actually being causing us to get sick and even get cancer. I was disgusted. I began to look for healthier option because I did not want ot go through what my mom was. This is when I found Arbonne and began to replace my unhealthy products with Arbonne products. The figure 8 program definitely works and most importantly it is healthy and safe for you. It has helped me and others that I know to get rid of extra weight. Many of the products on the market contain ingredients that are harmful for you. Arbonne prides itself in being 100% pure, safe and beneficial. I am so excited that you have heard about us because you now have so many healthy options open to you! Please contact me and we can talk more about what would work for you and answer any of your questions. My number is ###-###-#### or by email [email protected]____.com.

Sincerely,
S.

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J.T.

answers from Bloomington on

I have heard of Arbonne but have not used the products.

Spend a little time comparing Great reference of SKIN DEEP site from ewg.org (Environmental Working Group)

http://www.cosmeticsdatabase.com or Click here: Skin Deep: Cosmetic Safety Database

(1) Just Enter a Name of a company in the Search box.

(2) You'll see the toxin level in those products 0 - 9+ out of 10 as worst.

(3) You can see various ingredients used and what the toxic level ewg considers them.

(4) IMPORTANT: By "company", click the company name and you'll see whether they signed the Compact for Safe Cosmetics and do no animal testing. Again, most don't measure up. There is also a list of boxes above the company checked which show their ingredients have been linked to cancer, etc., etc.

You'll be amazed at the toxin levels most company products have...even the ones who say they are safe (see some below)...and how many have NOT signed the Compact for Safe Cosmetics...or who say "yes" to animal testing.

Arbonne
Aveda
Avalon Organics
Aubrey Organics
Bare Escentials
L'Occitane
Origins
Jane Iredale
Melaleluca

I use this website a lot to check out products - I am always looking for safe, non-toxic, green products.

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C.M.

answers from Chicago on

I find this interesting in that this is my first day on Mamasource and there is a question regarding Arbonne. I am an indepedent consultant for Arbonne as well. Regarding the Figure 8 I have not personally used the weight loss products for wieght loss although I have tasted them. They taste pretty good and their are a lot of reciepes available. Ask the representative for the information available on meal planning. I have tried the new Fizz Tablets which give you a quick boost and are so easy to take with you anywhere and just add to water. They have a refreshing citrus taste and can be served at room temperature or cold.

I will testify to the vitamins. They really made a difference for me. And the skin care is amazing. I would never go without it now.

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C.M.

answers from Chicago on

I am a health nut, and I would say that although their is no pill in itself to make you lose wieght... the right supplements along with healthy eating make a difference. For one thing if you are getting the required nutrients our body stops craving foods.

I have looked into Arbonne, not the figure 8, and have found their products to be worth the cost. They are all natural and safe for you and your family. I would say if you have the coin, it is wroth a try... as long as you are willing to put your effort into!

Man I wish there was a magic little pill... it is hard with little ones in tow to eat right! Another thing I do, is keep a food journal. If I have to write everything down that I eat, I think twice about some of my choices!

Good Luck, C.

PS I am not selling you anything! For what it is wroth! I as a consumer have been happy and impressed with Arbonne products!

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C.S.

answers from Chicago on

hi! my sales consultants email is [email protected]____.com is great. comes out to you, etc. hope this helps.!
ps her name is kelli

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P.G.

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I don't know about the weight loss products, A., but I use some of the skin care products and they're wonderful.

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J.G.

answers from Chicago on

I use the Arbonne Re-9 skin care line. I love the products. They are expensive but once you start buying there are different ways throughout the year to get half off etc which the rep can explain to you. The only issue I have is that once you sign up/begin buying the product they do want you to join their sales team. I don't have any interest in that and was clear about it from the beginning. However, I do think that it can be a good opportunity if it's something that you are interested in.Let me know if you have any other specific questions about the product.

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A.Z.

answers from Chicago on

Hi, Arbonne can be expensive but it is worth it. The products last-you only need a little bit at a time. I had started about 2 years ago with their intelligence line, but now have switched to their nutri-mn vitamin c-anti aging products and they are great. I am actually just starting to sell their products because they are so good. Not many people have heard of them. They also have a wonderful line of baby products. Another thing that I like about Arbonne is that it is all natural...there are only a few all natural products that you can find in stores. They also offer a 45 day return policy. If you would like more info you could email me privately. As far as the weight loss I have not really dealt with or know much about it. My mil takes their vitamins though and she swears by them.

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C.R.

answers from Chicago on

A., You have gotten a lot of feedback! Wow. So good to hear that so many ladies like Arbonne so much. I love it too and saw the company as a great chance to change mine and my family's life. I love the Figure 8 products and so do my kids. I have to fight to keep them from eating them all up! I know you have a lot of consultants offering to help you, so here is one more. check out my website if you like www.healthyoptions.myarbonne.com I know friends that the Figure 8 has worked for them. What could it hurt to try? You have 45 days to return them if you do not like them.
~C.

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A.S.

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Hi A., my name is A. and I'm an Independent Consultant and District Manager with Arbonne. The Figure 8 weight loss program is excellent, and I'm not just saying that because it's my business and I love the products, but it really does work, and it's all natural. It's not that expensive if you sign up for $29.00 so that you get your own account kind of like Sams or Costco, and then you get all of your products at 35% off which is pretty much wholesale, and it's for an entire year and then renewable for only $15. I have used the skincare for three years before I even started my Arbonne business, and it's completely changed my skin, I use the Nutrimin RE9 anti aging line, and what is wonderful about our products is that is shows Results, they work, and they are all natural. I would be happy to meet with you one on one or if you would like to host a get together then you can get free products too! I love using the Figure 8 New NRG Go 3 fizz tabs which really curb my appetite, and give me energy, the chews are great I love the chocolate and the peanut butter is very poplular. The shakes are good, and if you go onto www.gofigure8.com there are tons of great shake recipes, and meal plans as well with really good suggestions.

By the way, three of my friends are on the program and one has lost 26 pounds, and the other lost almost 15 pounds, it depends on what your goal is.

Where do you live? I'm in Buffalo Grove, but I see people all over the Chicago Area, so if you're interested let me know.

Take care,

A. Salzstein
Independent Consultant
District Manager
ARbonne International
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[email protected]____.com

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D.M.

answers from Chicago on

Hi A.!

I don't go on this site ever day, but today decided to check in and saw your request! Meant to be! The best thing to do is TRY products first! Like you I was intrigued but didn't want to spend $$ and have it not work, etc. I tried the Arbonne Skin care 2 yrs ago and it made a HUGE difference in my skin. I had undergone chemo and radiation for cancer and the treatments dramatically aged me (every year of chemo ages you 10 YEARS!) Like you said if something works then it was worth it! So that's where I started and got the product wholesale. I also do the vitamins and nutrition lines too and they are great and I feel wonderful knowing I'm taking care of my inside too!

A gal I know just started the Figure 8 weight loss program in late DEC and has lost OVER 35 lbs!!! And she said to me I've tried EVERY diet on the market and this is the first program I've done where it's easy and I don't feel starved, etc. She has some physical issues and isn't able to work out either. My husband is just starting the program and loves the Protein and Fiber shakes and the Go Fizz Energy Drink, etc. We both take the vitamins faithfully and I really feel great both inside and out! I'm going to be 50 in less than a year and I'm excited to say that I look and feel better than I did a few years ago!

A., I LOVE sharing these products with others and helping them feel and look good! I'd be happy to send you some samples of the skin care and nutritional items and info. The diet program is really easy to use and follow and I can send you that to review too. Just let me know and I'll get it out to you right away. After trying, if you're interested, let me know and I'll show you how you can save 35% to 50% OFF the retail $$$, get the most for your $$$.

If I can answer any other ??? let me know! You can call me if you want too.

All my best!
D.
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http://www.arbonne.com

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C.M.

answers from Chicago on

the shakes are powder, and have a really weird chalky taste. The daily detox tea is good. I also liked the candy. I was unsuccessful with the program. I wanted to lose about 10 pounds. A couple of my neighbors are doing weight watchers and they really like how that is working for them. For me Arbonne Figure 8 was really expensive, did not taste good and I eventually threw it out.

Good Luck!

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J.F.

answers from Chicago on

I can see that you have gotten a lot of feedback. I also have a business with Arbonne after using the products decided this was the way to go. Contact the person you met and let her share with you how to become a Wholesale shopper. you will not have to sell or anything like that. You will get the products at a significant discount. As for th "taste" of the shakes. My kids will even steal them from me to drink them. I do mix then with Soy milk or non-fat milk and still have the weight loss results. Good luck with it. I think you will be happy with the products. It will take a couple of days to really start to feel more energy and your cravings will die down. Then you will notice how good you feel.

Good luck.

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K.B.

answers from Chicago on

Hi A.:

I have heard of Arbonne. I am a consultant with the company and can't say enough about it. I've been doing Arbonne for about 1 1/2 yrs and it's a terrific opportunity. Anyways, the weight loss products are great and I'm not just saying that because I'm in the company. I actually use them. It's a great way to lose weight in a sensible manner with healthy products. If you have any other questions want any more information let me know, I'd love to chat [email protected]____.com.

Warmly,
K. B

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M.G.

answers from Chicago on

I am currently using Figure 8 as well as several Arbonne skin care products. I really like it. It suppresses my appetite, give me energy, but doesn't make me crazy and jumpy like some energy drinks can do to me. I would ask your rep to try a sample tablet before you buy. (If she won't do this I will give you one or my rep will I'm sure) Their skin care is fabulous, too. I joined as a member ($29 then $10 per year each year going forward) so I get a nice discount on all that I buy. Not sure if your Arbonne person told you all this. Let me know if you want to talk to the woman I use. She is very sweet and informative. And the products come to you FedEx the very next day! Hope this helps.

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C.S.

answers from Chicago on

I know a couple of ladies that have tried figure 8 and have lost weight. You can replace 1 to 2 meals per day with a protein shake. And I know that they drink the tea detox and drink the energy fizz tablets daily. And have shed weight.
C.

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J.W.

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I too am an independent consultant. But as a certified trainer, with a specialty in women's health and wellness, and a Master's in Public Health the products are very good and agree to look on the EWG website. The drawback is that if you are pregnant or nursing, you cannot use the product line. There is a herb in the protein powders that pregnant and nursing women must stay away from. But the is no magic program, it is consume less than you expend, aim to eat 1500-1800kcal per day, (not knowing your weight) exercise and weight train. IT is not losing weight that is hard, it is maintaining the weight loss that most people have a hard time with! The program will give you a good guideline to follow. I really enjoy the protein shakes and make smoothies with them in the morning, the shake alone is not enough to be a meal replacement. Good luck with whatever you decide. Feel free to reply if you need more assistance with your program.

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C.F.

answers from Springfield on

I have been using the skin care products for 2 years and love them, and just started using the figure 8 chews, and the fizzy tab drinks, too, since actually signing on as a consultant.
I like the peanut butter chews the best, but the chocolate aren't bad, either. The fizzy tabs are great - they give you energy without a buzz, and help me feel like I'm burning more calories. I haven't tried the shakes yet, but will soon.
Good luck with your diet! I'm a great motivator, so email if you just need pep talks -Spring is coming! I figure every time I'm out walking, I'm not sitting and eating!
C.

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K.B.

answers from Chicago on

Hi A.,

I used to be an Arbonne consultant, so if you have any questions, I can probably answer them. I did not use the whole Figure 8 program, but I have tried the shakes, and I know it has worked for some people.

As far as the skincare goes, it depends on what you're looking for. I've learned more about organic products vs. the Arbonne products, and I have chosen to switch skincare. The products do work great though, and they're safer (and better) than anything you can buy in the store. Let me know if you have any specific questions about the products, and I'd be glad to help!

Blessings,
K.

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J.S.

answers from Rockford on

A.,
You will love the Arbonne line of products. I am a consultant and have just started using the weight loss products. I have used their skin care line for about 2 years and just love it. You can try the product itself for 3 or 4 days by just contacting me. I would love to tell you all of the advantages of the "Pure, Safe and Beneficial" line of natural products. Arbonne also offers a chance to become a part of their health and wellness business as a business builder and this chance allows you to work from home - part time while making an income that allows to to be a stay-at-home mother. If any of this interests you - please contast me @ [email protected]____.com and I will call you with all of the information. I have seen the results that some of the girls have achieved, hopefully my success will be as noteworthy,

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M.P.

answers from Chicago on

I personally don't know anything about arbonne or it's products, but did have great results with the Transitions lifestyle. It is an easy comprehensive weight management program to keep the weght off for life. I have even changed my 3 childrens eating habits to this healthy lifestyle. You can get more information about the Transitions lifestyle at www.marketamerica.com/awesomeliving (my web portal)
or www.transitionslifestyle.com

Good luck with your research and weght loss.

M. P.

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M.M.

answers from Springfield on

Hello,
Yes, I have used the arbonne re9 line which is there skin care for the mature skin & I love it all. I really don't know much about the weight loss program but in my experince of battling the blug & I've try alot. I always go back to slim fast for breakfast & lunch then a snack in the afternoon & a nice dinner. Its inexpensive & really does fill you up. I love Chocolate so it helps with that craving as well. Hope this helps.

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K.K.

answers from Chicago on

Hi A.,

My name is K. Kunkel and I am an Arbonne International Independent Consultant. I just joined Arbonne last month and I can tell you that I have tried several of the products. They have a variety of skin care, cosmetics, aromatherapy and nutrition and I have tried products from each line. I love them all! I use the protein powder for smoothies and I love the taste. I just had two of my friends try the protein powder and they placed orders for it. It's that good! I do know people who have tried the complete weight loss program and have had success in losing weight. As a matter of fact, one of our Regional Vice Presidents is on the plan and is doing great! My sponsor and her husband swear by the Hybrid vitamins and I am eager to try them as well. I would be more than happy to talk to you in detail about what I have used or if you have any questions. I can also tell you how you can get 35% off each time you order. If you would like to call me my number is ###-###-####. Otherwise you can e-mail me back if that is easier. I look forward to hearing from you soon!

K. Kunkel

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D.E.

answers from Chicago on

A.,
I see that you have had quite a response from your request. I have used almost all of the available Arbonne products over the last 2 1/2 years and had signed up as a consultant to get the wholesale pricing. I really like everything I have tried. I recently started selling the products as well and am looking to build my team (if you're interested in extra income). If you are interested in purchasing the products wholesale or hosting a party to earn free product please feel free to contact me or the rep you met at the Ladies Day Out.
My personal opinion of the figure 8 products is somewhat limited since I have been pregnant or nursing since being introduced to the line. I love the chews, and use the shakes with coffee (like a latte) since I am not a huge fan of the flavor of powdered shakes. I know people who love and hate them!
*Please note that unlike some claims that have been made, our products are botanically based, NOT "all natural".*
They are formulated to combine the best science and nature have to offer, but some ingredients are scientifically manufactured. While this may seem like splitting hairs, I want to be honest about our products in the event you are concerned about the "all natural" claim.

(Taken from the Arbonne website FAQs):
Science, as we use it, means man-made/formulated in a laboratory. For instance, natural beeswax is a wonderful ingredient with many beneficial properties. Because it is considered an animal by-product, to use it would not be in compliance with our philosophies. To overcome this, we use synthetic beeswax, which replicates the composition of natural beeswax.

Anyway, I hope you found this information helpful. If you would like to try any products, be aware that there is a 45 day unconditional money back guarantee on all orders. Feel free to contact me or the rep you met with any additional questions or concerns.
Good luck!

Dawn Efflandt
Independent Consultant-District Manager
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www.dawnefflandt.myarbonne.com

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T.H.

answers from Chicago on

Hi there A.,

Not sure about that program, but I do know that Juice Plus products wrok if you use them with a good nutrition program and exercise. There's really no quick fix. You can check out my web site. www.jpscience.com The best thing is kids are on the fruit and veggies when the parent is on it as well.
Complete Shakes are also good for kids!

Hope this Helps! Please call me with any concerns or questions.

T. Hall, RD, LDN, CD
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www.prohealthviews.com

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N.V.

answers from Chicago on

Hi A.,

I've been using the skin care products (NutriMin C RE9 line) for about 6 months now and absolutley love it. This is the first skin care product that I've used (believe me I've tried a lot of them) where I could tell a difference in my skin in a week.
I have tried the Figure 8 but wasn't religous with it - so I'm not sure if it works or not. If you need an Arbonne rep. let me know and I'll give you my girl's name - she's great.

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D.R.

answers from Chicago on

Hi A.,

Yes I have heard of and I tried the Figure 8 program ( Last summer). It didn't really work for me ( I'm 57) - the protein drink in the morning or whenever ( I can't really rmember the plan that well) and then the teas and the pills ( now they really di help curb your appetite, I would take them sometimes afterwards to stave off hunger). I did good for two weeks and lost probably 12 lbs, ( of course 8 was water) and then I fell off the wagon. The chews were good but unless you really feel that you can drink liquids for a meal replacment I wouldn't invest in it - I still have a can of the powder left.......Yes, I gained that weight back and now I'm determined to go back to WW - it really is the best diet and works best for me. Good luck if you decide to try it. By the way, one of the nurses in my doctors office was on it and she had lost 45 pounds and was hanging in with it. She has stuck with it, but admits that it is hard ( I saw her last week.) She may have lost another 20 lbs.

D. R.

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K.S.

answers from Chicago on

Yes, I have heard of Arbonne. My sister is a consultant for this product and she's hosting a party this Saturday, March 15th. I have tried their hand cream, face cream and lipstick and I love it. She has tried many different products and this one she can testify that it works. She loves the whole product line. There's product for all ages. If you are interested, please let me know so she can send you a sample.

N.H.

answers from Chicago on

I don't know about the weight program, but I've used the skin care products for 2 years. They are expensive, but I like them. I'm 46 and had never really used products or splurged on myself, so I decided to try it and I've continued with it.

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L.R.

answers from Chicago on

it works! I lost 8 pounds in 8 weeks doing the program. now i am on maintainence with one shake a day. my kids drink the shakes every morning before school as well. they love them too and they are so good for you. good luck.

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M.T.

answers from Chicago on

Hi, I don't know about the Arbonne weight loss program. However, the cosmetics are marketed as if they are 'natural' and that is a huge misnomer. (my guess is that the rest of their products are as well) They have natural ingredients for sure, but they also have things like Sodium Hyaluronate,Bis-PEG-18 Methyl Ether Dimethyl Silane, Behenyl Alcohol, Glyceryl Polymethacrylate, Thioctic Acid, Butylene Glycol and more that are on the list of things to avoid in skin care products. Sounds like a science experiment not a "Natural product" to me. (You won't find an ingredient list anywhere on any website - you have to ask specifically for a label, and who is going to do that?) Also, as an R.N., I do know that isolated, fragmented vitamins are rarely good for anything and have been proven not to prevent disease which is why most people are looking into them. A Whole Food Concentrate like Juice Plus is much better for you. Highly researched and nothing but food. They have a weight management program also. Mary T

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M.K.

answers from Chicago on

I've heard of Arbonne and actually spoke to a rep. a few times who gave me some samples and a catalog. They were facial products and to tell you the truth, they just seemed over priced and didn't do much- for me. It might be different for others with other skin types. As far as weight loss is concerned, the old fashioned way works the best. I used to work for a fitness facility and believe in them so much I'm now just a memeber- I have no free time to work. It sucks, but the healthiest way to lose and the way to keep it off is working at it. We all had to re-train our mouths from the "I can eat whatever I want, I'm pregnant" to the "I want it but I don't" and then hopefully overcome it. I give in- it's normal and healthy to, but Spring is here and it's the best time to put your tot in a stroller and speed walk outside. I go to the mall before it opens- since we're up anyway- and walk there in the winter. But the biggest is diet and exercise. I get up at 5:45 to work out before my family wakes up and be home. I do a quick 30 min. workout 3x a week and I deserve it. I don't mess up anyone's schedule, but everyone thinks I'm nuts. I've lost almost all the baby fat, a couple are left and I'm ok with that. It's a lifestyle change- not just a quick diet. Those don't work. If you want, I can give you the name of the club. It's all women and truly works if you use it. Many times there will be a club that opens early around your area. Hope it helps. Oh, one more thing. While my son is in the bath playing and I have to sit in there, I do some crunchies and leg lifts, whatever I can to get a bit in!

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K.H.

answers from Bloomington on

I went to an Arboone party, and I ordered the kids lotion and shampoo for my kids with mild eczema and was unimpressed. My daughter said it burned her face. I didn't order anything else. I have a couple of friends that do sell it, and really love everything. I also got a free sample of their skin care regimem, and didn't love that either. I'm sticking with philosophy products. Seem to work for me. Good luck!

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J.K.

answers from Chicago on

Hi A., Arbonne products are amazing. I have used the skin care for a couple of years and just recently decided to become a consultant because the products sell themselves and it's an incredible company. I love the Figure 8 products as well. I use the supplements,shakes, chews and our new fizzing energy drink. All of these products use natural and safe ingredients to help boost your metabolism and curb your appetite and you'll feel great. Definitley contact the rep who spoke to you or let me give you more info. You won't be sorry! J.

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H.K.

answers from Chicago on

Hi! I've never tried the weight loss program, but I use the Intelligence Daily Moisturizing cream Day & Night and I love it! You only have to use a little bit at a time so it really lasts!!! This moisturizer really makes my skin soft, but not oily! Good luck!

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M.M.

answers from Springfield on

Hello, I think Arbonne products are awesome....have used the skincare and it is great! Very expensive!

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M.D.

answers from Chicago on

I am an Arbonne consultant and am very familiar with the Figure 8 weight loss program. It works and the great thing about Arbonne is the quality of ingrediants and the pure, safe ingrediants that they use. The program will work if you USE it. Find a friend to do it with you and it will be more fun. The NRG3 Go Fizz tablets are so easy to use and they work and help with energy, motabolism and hunger. I live in Geneva and our team is growing. Arbonne is the future - 28 yr old company, products get better all the time and the business income potential can be at the level you want. I am not quitting. I will make 6 figures. ###-###-#### M. D [email protected]____.com

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B.M.

answers from Chicago on

I used the Figure 8 Detox tea and I can't say it did anything for me, but I liked the taste. The weight loss chews taste good, but have sugar/corn syrup in them which is a bit contradictory. As for the RE9 antiaging skincare line - I absolutely love it! I can't live without the eye cream! It's great! Most of the skin care/makeup products are good. I use the mineral powder foundation, mascara, hand & foot creams, skin conditioning oil, lip glosses, lipsticks, and various other things. Hope this helps.

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