A.S. asks from Austin, TX on May 29, 2007
Working Moms - Potty Training???
OK, my boy is 37, almost 38 months now. We are trying to potty train, did an intensive thing over the long weekend and he is still about 50/50 as far as being successful. It seems like right when he starts to get it, then all of a sudden he regresses again. I know his muscles are ready cause he holds it pretty much half the day. Then when he does have accidents he usually tells me right as he is going that he needs to go to the potty. But, when I notice before the accident that he is acting like he needs to go and ask him if he needs to use the potty he says no. Then if I make him go into the bathroom and say..."let's just try" he throws a big fit and wants nothing to do with it. He will sit there for a few minutes, then a couple minutes later, he has wet himself again. We went cold turkey to underpants.
My question is....how do you manage to do this as a working Mom? I cannot use pullups...he thinks of them just like a diaper. Yet, my provider can't watch him as well as we can when they have 7 other kids and we are only at 50/50 and that is with us running him to the potty. My husband stayed home another day to try to make it work, but our provider basically flat out told me that if he is having more than 2-3 accidents a day, they are putting him in pullups....regardless of the plastic pants I went out and bought and pods that I got (kinda like an ultra absorbant maxi pad training aid). How do you do this? How do you get them to the point that they are mostly potty trained and can send them to school when you only have a couple days a week with them? I also don't understand why he is resisting when he clearly knows what to do and can clearly control his muscles since he goes half the day with dry pants, then has several accidents in a row and won't go to the potty even though he clearly needs to. After a weekend of hell, I just don't know what to do. Is he going to be in diapers till he is 5???? I really really really don't want to go back to diapers....he is old enough, this should be working......
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He is in pull ups now and I am just going to relax about it. There was really no more progress on the 4th day than there was on the first day. I don't want to use pullups cause I think the underwear will get the idea home much better, but my provider isn't going to have him in those until he can at least get most of his pee in the potty, and yesterday he didn't successfully pee there at all. And after 4 days in underpants, I am sick of cleaning up the pee. He obviously isn't ready. We have had some signs in the past that he may be very high functioning autism because he has some social and physical issues but is smarter and much more verbal than most kids his age....this has just been the additional push I need, I think, to get him evaluated. My daycare provider seems to think that if he continues to develop the way he has that we should probably not start him in kindergarden until he is 6. He won't be going to a seperate preschool because they do preschool curriculum at his daycare, his main teacher is a certified special ed teacher.
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K.C. answers from Chicago on May 30, 2007
A.,
A lot of potty training can be about control and who has the control. One thing I found that works with my extremely strong willed 3 year old daughter was giving her a choice about the potty. "We are going to go in the bathroom now and you can either go potty or 'pretend' to go potty, it is up to you". It's crazy that if you give them the choice, then they feel in control - often she says she is 'pretending' to go potty but really will go and then she feels like she did something against my wishes because she told me she was just going to 'pretend'. They get excited when they do the opposite of what they think you wanted, but the really exciting thing is that they are just using the potty and not having accidents - you just can't let them know that! Good luck.
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M.H. answers from Chicago on May 30, 2007
I ran into a snag with my daughter when I was trying to potty train her. One day, my mom was out at a store talking to someone she knows when another customer came over, apologized for listening in on the conversation, and told my mom what she did. She's the mom of 6 children and potty trained them all the same way. I tried it, and it worked within a week. You have to have the training pants (the ones that have about 3 layers in the center from front to back) so that when they have an accident, they actually feel it (Pull-ups pull the moisture away from their skin, so they don't learn how uncomfortable it is to be soiled). Then, everytime they go to the bathroom on the potty, you give them ONE M&M or other such small candy. I was skeptical. And I didn't want my daughter learning that you reward yourself with food, especially a sweet treat like that. But I tried it. And the reason it works when you use M&Ms, Skittle, Reese Pieces, or other small pieces of candy is because who can stop at just one? Once they learn that they get one piece everytime they go to the bathroom, they'll want to do it more often to get more candy. Once you're in the routine, you just don't give them anymore candy. Oh, and make sure you keep the candy where they can see it, but can't get it. This worked very well for us. She was completely potty-trained within a week, but I kept it up for good measure for about a month or two. Good luck!
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C.S. answers from Chicago on May 29, 2007
You are doing ALL the right things, but sometimes they just aren't ready... and you can't push them. It's a control thing.. when they are ready, they do it. Pull-ups definitely don't work, didn't for either of my two it just sort of confuses them. Work on it with him, have your daycare encourage him to go, and trust me one day he will just do it. And there will be accidents, but it won't be that bad. Boys really are usually 3 or a bit older... it probably won't be very long from now that he's accomplished the whole thing...
S.W. answers from Chicago on May 30, 2007
A.,
Take a deep breathe and relax. Kids can tell when you are stressed and seem to be at their worst. I have been doing child care for 17 years and sometimes boys just take a LONG time to get it. You mentioned he is a little behind physically, that can make a difference to. I have had kids that were 4 1/2 years to fully train with no accidents. If he doesn't want to go it is really hard to make him. If your daycare provider is not consistent in taking him it will take longer too. I take all my kids to the potty every hour even when they are trained. I also bribe them with stickers when they are training. I put a chart on the wall and everytime they go potty they get to put a sticker on it. If they don't go and just sit they do not get a sticker. I once had a child that was stubborn we used to make him take a sticker off for every accident and that worked great for him. In real extreme cases I bribed them with fruit snacks.
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H.Z. answers from Chicago on May 30, 2007
I don't know if this would work for you, but I figured I would share how my daughter potty trained herself on her 3rd birthday. My daughter wanted desperately to go to preschool. Her 3rd birthday was 2 weeks before school started. She had excellent communication skills, so I told her that they only let kids into preschool who are potty trained (which is true, BTW) and if she wanted to go, she had to be potty trained by her birthday. On her birthday, she took off her pull ups and went into underwear. Even overnight. She never once had any accidents, which led me to believe she had probably been ready for training for a while.
My son fought it a little harder. At nearly 3, he would NOT use the potty for me, no matter what bribes or encouragement I offered. Once he went into full time day care, my provider made a potty out of construction paper (complete with lid!) and every time he went on the potty, he got a sticker for his paper potty. He was completely trained (but not overnight) within 2 weeks, but my provider was incredibly patient with her kids. Getting to pick out his new 'big-boy' underpants was a huge deal for him too.
I hope this helps. Maybe you can tweak them to work for you. Best of luck!
H. Z.
C.D. answers from Chicago on May 29, 2007
I was in your shoes exactly when my son was 36 months. I never use pull ups except when we left the house, underwear in the house. My pediatrician told me not to push it, or I would make it worse. He would still resist and then hate going and then if you try later he will still associate it negatively. Then I researched it more and the average boy trains between 3 and 4 years old. So, I figured that I shouldn't push it. So, we tried for a week and if he was still having a lot of accidents, we would stop. So, we stopped and tried again when he was 3.5 years old. That worked like a charm. The first 2 days were non stop accidents, but then I think he realized that I wasn't giving up and on the 3rd day he started going all the time on the potty. I also made him a "potty chart". He got to put a sticker up for each time he went on the potty. Then, once he reached a certain number of stickers, he got a prize. That made him feel like he had some control. Also, every time he went on the potty without an accident I gave him TONS of positive praise (and got to call daddy and grandma to tell them). I also tried to focus a lot on when he did anything good (gave him tons of praise) so he would feel really good about himself. I used pull ups when we left the house for a week, then I dropped those as well.
I used to be one of those moms that believed that you could force a kid to potty train. Now, having been through it, I realize you can't force them to potty train. They need to want to do it themselves. So, you can try to make him go, but it sounds like he isn't ready. Save yourself and your caregiver the stress and went a few more months. He will get it one day, and then you will be glad that you didn't go through a nightmare of a time trying to train him. Let it happen naturally. Good luck!
S.B. answers from Chicago on May 30, 2007
Hi A., I'm sorry but I don't have much advice for you, but I wanted you to know I'm in almost exactly the same situation, only my little one's a girl. It's so frustrating to see her backsliding when she is capable of doing so well. And yeah, at the daycare provider's, they just give up (which I understand, because I know they don't have the time to individually "train" kids or help them each time they have to immediately run to the potty) and put her in pullups -- so then of course she is "learning" to just pee whenever! She does great most of the time when we're home together. I just don't know. I have the same problem with school (she is supposed to start preschool in the fall but must be fully trained by then, and I just don't know what to do.) Well, just wanted you to know you have my understanding and support, and let's hope things get better for us.
Y. answers from Chicago on May 29, 2007
Whatever you do, do not go back to diapers!! They will feel like they have won and won't even try!! I have three boys so I know exactly what you are talking about!! My youngest is turning 5 soon so I have made it past diapers!!!:)Yay!! One thing that helped me with my middle one who was extremely stubborn was setting goals. If he makes it 7 days without an accident he gets a reward. If he goes two weeks then the reward gets bigger, etc... You decide what the reward is based on his interests. Mine loves animals so once we were completely trained we earned a picnic at the zoo. My youngest child loves Thomas the tank engine so we earned a trip to the Illinois Train Museum when they had Day Out with Thomas. Each child will be different. Try putting him on the potty right after meals and every 1 to 1 1/2 hours during the day( whenever you can). Talk to your sitter about a similar schedule. Whatever you can agree on will work best because you will remain consistent all week long. Hope this helps and trust me it will happen. Just be patient and don't pressure him since that can backfire. Good Luck!!
K.C. answers from Chicago on May 30, 2007
A.,
A lot of potty training can be about control and who has the control. One thing I found that works with my extremely strong willed 3 year old daughter was giving her a choice about the potty. "We are going to go in the bathroom now and you can either go potty or 'pretend' to go potty, it is up to you". It's crazy that if you give them the choice, then they feel in control - often she says she is 'pretending' to go potty but really will go and then she feels like she did something against my wishes because she told me she was just going to 'pretend'. They get excited when they do the opposite of what they think you wanted, but the really exciting thing is that they are just using the potty and not having accidents - you just can't let them know that! Good luck.
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