Weaning Question - Chapel Hill, NC

Updated on August 24, 2008
R.C. asks from Chapel Hill, NC
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Hello- quick weaning question for you Mamas. As my supply has seriously dropped since I am pregnant I started to supplement my 11 month old son with formula. Now that we are only nursing 1-2 times a day he seems to finish nursing and he is still hungry. He still seems to want to nurse (tugging on my shirt when he wants milk) but he needs a bottle afterwards too--- just wondering what your experience was with weaning and if you let them nurse when supply was so low it wasn't enough for a full feed.

Somewhere along the line I recall hearing that he needed 12oz a day of Br Milk to get the imunity benefit. Ring any bells?

Thanks,
Rach

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L.J.

answers from Lexington on

I had a similar situation with my first. As I remember, I asked my husband to distract him at those times. He would scoop my son up, play with him, and give him a bottle or something to eat. That worked for us.

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P.G.

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Hi Rach~
Your baby will unlatch if he is not getting what he wants-milk wise. Babies who are breastfed also love to suckle. This is a comfort for them. This may also be why your baby doesn't want to come off the breast. I think it's probably your call as far as how long to let him nurse. You can always offer a bottle afterward.
When I weaned my then one year old and was down to 1-2 feedings per day, I know he just loved that time and I know it was for more than just milk (I know my milk supply was very low and he was getting whole milk by that point). As far as how much intake is needed, you may have to ask your pedi's office because it depends on weight and age, I believe.
Good luck!
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B.K.

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Hi there! Congrats on your pregnancy :) When I was pg with number 2 (when #1 was 18 months old) my oldest was still nursing several times a day and night. Over time my supply dwindled and I ended up weaning her several months later. She didn't need the bm, since she was over a year, but I let her continue to nurse until I was pretty much dried up. ANY breast milk they get is better than none, so I say yes, absolutely let him keep nursing as much as he wants (if you are ok with it :) ) until your supply is gone. The more he nurses, it will also increase your supply too, if you wanted to, you could increase his nursings to help up your supply a bit.
But if it were me, I'd let him nurse when he wanted to and then supplement if necessary. :)

Hugs!

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K.P.

answers from Memphis on

Pick up some books and/or talk to a La Leche League leader about nursing through pregnancy, as well as tandem nursing. (Also, Dr. Denise Punger at http://permissiontomother.blogspot.com might be able to help, since she's also a certified lactation consultant, and "THE" breastfeeding doctor in her area). When I was 3 months along w/#2, my first son suddenly quit nursing (at 13 months old), but I know many women successfully nurse through pregnancy and then nurse both their older child as well as the newborn.

If you continue to nurse, make sure you're getting enough calories and nutrition (and prenatal vitamins!) so that you aren't shortchanging yourself, your unborn baby, or your older son.

If you wean him and/or he seems to still want to nurse, you may be able to substitute other things instead of nursing for that closeness and comfort, which also goes along with nursing. It may be that he wants *that* more than the milk. You can distract him by reading a book or playing toys with him.

You didn't mention solid foods -- make sure he's getting enough to eat apart from nursing. He may just be hungry.

As long as you're getting enough nutrition and water, and he wants to nurse, I'd continue nursing. But I would increase how much solid food he takes, just to make sure he's not hungry. If, after you've nursed him, he still wants "more", and you're sure he's not hungry, you can try substitution or distraction as an alternate spending-time-with-mommy thing.

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B.R.

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As a nurse that has worked in an OBGYN office I can tell you your doctor would tell you to wean your son. You need the nutrients to go to the developing baby. Your milk supply is down because of the hormones now with pregnancy. Your son is old enough to wean him from breast and bottle. Does he use a sippy cup? The pediatricians recommend weaning them totally from a bottle and formula at 12 months. I know he isn't quite 12 months, but he's close. Even with my preemies they wanted me to wean them from a bottle and change them to whole milk at 12 months. Congrats on your pregnancy! Take care of yourself.

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I.W.

answers from Greensboro on

I think it depends on other factors here. How is he doing on solids? How much is he getting in the bottle? Does he seem to nurse for comfort also?
I'm sorry I don't have any real advice but I do have a bunch of links for you! It seems all I ever talk about on here is kellymom and it's starting to be true. It's just an awesome online resource for all things related to breastfeeding. And when I did a search for your topic, well, I just found a lot of good stuff that I thought you'd like to read.

Good luck and best wishes!

Will pregnancy cause my child to wean prematurely?
http://www.kellymom.com/nursingtwo/faq/12earlyweaning.html

Links: Nursing During Pregnancy and Tandem Nursing
http://www.kellymom.com/bf/tandem/links-nursingpregnant.html

Weaning
http://www.kellymom.com/bf/weaning/weaning_faqs.html

Weaning, how does it happen?
http://www.kellymom.com/bf/weaning/how_weaning_happens.html

Weaning Facts
http://www.kellymom.com/bf/weaning/weaning_faqs.html

Weaning Techniques
http://www.kellymom.com/bf/weaning/weaning_techniques.html

Toddler Nursing, what to expect?
(since he's almost a toddler. bittersweet, isn't it?!)
http://www.kellymom.com/bf/bfextended/toddlernursing.html

Partial Weaning
http://www.kellymom.com/bf/weaning/weaning-partial.html

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W.M.

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I haven't heard of a specific amount being a benefit, I think every ounce is a benefit. I would nurse him as long as you can, even if it is just a little. Maybe nurse him until about a month prior to your next one being born. Give him at least a month of slowly getting down to one feeding and then down to none. You can try to pump and add it to the formula instead of water to continue giving him the benefit. You can freeze it if you pump enough so he still has it after your next baby is born. The more you nurse him, maybe it will come back a bit if that is the way you want to go.

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J.M.

answers from Memphis on

How long were you hoping to nurse your son? I bf'd my oldest until he was 12mths. My youngest is almost 10mths and he's down to 2 nursings a day. I plan to wean him at 12 mths also. If you were planning on weaning soon then you may be better off going ahead and doing so. Your body actually needs time between babies to restock its resources that the baby drains. Breastfeeding continues the drain beyond pregnancy. Also the composition of breastmilk changes as your baby grows. You may want to give your body time to "reset" the milk supply. The milk you're making for your 11mth is not what a newborn will need and the milk your body will make for a newborn is not appropriate for a 1yr old.
You can keep nursing but if he's needed a bottle afterward and given the other factors I would probably go ahead and wean. Any breastfeeding is great and the benefits to baby are greatly reduced after 6mths and then again after 12mths.

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V.C.

answers from Wheeling on

Congrats on the next addition (coming much sooner than any of mine did, so I didn't have to stop nursing one to gestate another).

Anyway, however much he eats or drinks from a cup is that much he doesn't have to nurse. He is old enough to be weaned -- assuming that HE'S ready (our 4 nursed all different times each from 12 to 18 months).

I wouldn't introduce a pacifier at this late date, but if you transition him to bottles, keep in mind that a bottle isn't for 'pacifying', it's for nourishment. Hold him if possible while he drinks, and at the very least make sure that he only lays or sits to nurse them -- don't let him run around with a bottle (just like he couldn't while nursing the breast). It makes them get really reliant on 'having' the bottle. Also, for his dental health, don't put him to bed with a bottle of anything other than water. Hope this helps!

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A.M.

answers from Memphis on

I have tandem nursed through all my pregnancies but the first. So I'm not much help with weaning during pregnancy! But yes, I let them nurse when my supply is low, as nursing is more than just physical nourishment. It's the emotional connection to mama and the comfort that nursing fosters that keep me going through the sore owie nipples and low milk supply of pregnancy.

I DO set limits on how often or how long we nurse, and offer substitutes (1/2 water, 1/2 juice or whole milk from grass-fed cows, reading a book, a fun activity we don't do much like playdough or blowing bubbles,) when my nipples are especially sore.

We have never used formula- you may want to look into the ingredients. Powdered milk proteins are denatured, first from pasteurization and then from the high temperatures used during the drying process, and the vitamins added are synthetic. The levels of fluoride can be dangerously high. Unless it is soy or organic formula there are also residues of the growth hormones and antibiotics given to the cows. Soy based formulas contain huge amounts of phyto-estrogens which mimic estrogen in the body- like giving your son birth control pills. Soy also prevents the absorption of many minerals. I am kind of a health nut so please do your own research!! At 11 months he is old enough for many possible food substitutes and/or a multi-vitamin if he is slow to enjoy a variety of solids AND you are concerned about his food intake. Personally I have not done the multi-vitamin but just continued to nurse and offer foods like avocado that are packed with vitamins and fats.

I had heard something similiar to that about breastmilk- 8oz for a toddler is the same as a multi-vitamin is what I'm recalling, but I don't have references for that! The milk that you are producing is changing in composition. Right now you have toddler milk- it's more concentrated. By your second trimester it will be mostly colostrum- so full of great antibodies and immunological benefits- and will switch back to newborn milk a few days after the baby is born. A lot of mothers report weaning (temporary or permanent) occuring around the time their milk begins changing to colostrum, as a lot of children don't like the taste.

I have found that my supply does better and my nipples feel better when I am conscientous about my diet and water intake. Personally, I need a small high-protein meal about every 4 hours, and at least a gallon of water a day. Eating and drinking so frequently helps me keep my babies well-fed too, and less likely to ask for nursing except when they are tired or want comfort. In general I also try to follow the Brewer diet for pregnancy, which is what is taught in Bradley childbirth classes. http://www.blueribbonbaby.org/

Your mileage may vary of course! There is a lot more information on tandem nursing and weaning during pregnancy here:
http://www.llli.org/FAQ/bfpregnant.html

Whether you and your son decide to wean during or after this pregnancy or to continue nursing, I wish you the best in your journey!

Adding baby #2 to the family is IMO the hardest transition next to adding child #1. Learning to expand your multi-tasking capabilities, and triage can be quite stressful. Whether or not you are able keep nursing as a tool for relating with your oldest, you will need a lot of support in the first few months. Make sure you have some friends or family nearby who can help with meals, housekeeping, etc. You may also consider hiring a postpartum doula or a mother's helper for a few weeks.

Good luck- take what you like and leave the rest.

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C.L.

answers from Nashville on

You should probably confirm with your pediatrician, but if your baby is 11 months old, it's time to start weaning completely from breast AND bottle and move on to a cup. Be leery of constantly using a sippy cup. Two things typically happen from that - 1)Your child never learns to hold a cup up right nor realizes the consequences when they bend over with it. 2) Drinking juices from sippy cups can cause tooth decay from sucking it over their teeth.

Your child received the immunity benefit of your breasfeeding in the first 3 weeks and you should pat yourself on the back for making it 11 months!!

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A.R.

answers from Knoxville on

That does ring a bell but I can tell you this. I was a breasfed baby. I was sick all of the time as a kid. My daughter breastfed until 13 months. Sick. My best friend one breastfed one formula baby. The formula baby is healty as an ox. The breastfed baby sick all of the time. That being said I enjoyed my breastfeeding experience but I am not convinced.

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R.O.

answers from Charlotte on

Pretty crazy since I was in the same exact situation a little over 2 years ago. I got pregnant with my son when my daughter was 11 months old. I worked part-time and would pump during the day at work for my daughter since I nursed exclusively at the time. Once I got pregnant with my son, my OB doctor advised that I wean my daughter from nursing. I did so by providing a formula and whole milk the last month. It took about a week to wean her from nusing, which was harder for me than my daughter. I got very emotional, which seems to happen when you wean at anytime (it happened when I weaned my son too). It almost sounds like a comfort thing for your son. Maybe you could hold him close to you with his favorite toy/blanket to sooth him. I was and still am a big fan of the pacifier. Having someone else feed them at first worked well for me so the temptation wasn't there for both of us since nuring soothed her so much easier than the sippy cup. It's hard to start, but gets easier.

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L.S.

answers from Nashville on

I was still nursing my toddler when I fell pregnant again. He was about 20 months when I was halfway to term. I recall that he'd been nursing just a couple times a day anyway, and it tapered off so gradually that I barely noticed. Towards the end I was the one instigating it, to calm him out of a tantrum.

I'm for letting them nurse out of comfort, not just for fuel. Nursing is more than nourishment, it soothes them, it calms them, it centers them. I'm all for it.

If he's still acting thirsty, you might slip him some water in a sippy cup post-nursing. Don't want him to get dehydrated.

I don't have hard data, just more hearsay, but seems like I heard that as your supply diminishes the immunological component percentage rises. So he's getting approximately the same size "innoculation" everyday, but fewer calories/nutrients. Of course, that would be under a typical weaning circumstance. Your milk isn't diminshing so much as it is changing over to colostum. Which is almost all immunological.

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T.E.

answers from Memphis on

Hello! I am the mother of 4 1/2 week old twin boys and I am breast feeding and supplementing with formula. One of the ladies at church was telling me that she was breast feeding one of her children and once she found out she was pregnant again, her doctor told her to stop because it could cause her to have a miscarriage. I would definitely ask your doctor if you need to stop. It makes sense that your milk supply is down because your new baby is using those nutrients for it's own growth. Good luck!

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