J.C. asks from Eagle River, AK on January 12, 2011
Vaccines? - Eagle River,AK
I am not looking for a debate here. I know there are very heated arguments of both sides. I am familiar with the fraudulent work of Mr. Wakefield and his MMR Autism link and know his work was faked. But even knowing that, I keep hearing about unsafe vaccines and vaccine injury. So, my question is, do any of you actually have a child, or know a child, who has had a vaccine injury? What type injury was it and did they truly show no signs of a problem before the vaccine? I know vaccines can cause temporary issued like low grade fever and soreness at the injection site, but I am talking about long term issues. Since there is so much info on both sides, I would really like some first hand information so I can know if the vaccines I give my children are safe.
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So far we have 2 people who knew a kid that had a seizure but was fine, and that is it. I will not be going to any anti-vaccine sites, I already know they lie which is why I am looking for FIRST HAND information to be truly informed. Thanks for your responses ladies, so far I think my boys will be getting all their vaccines, just maybe only one or two at a time, not 8 (oh my goodness, I could not believe the doctor would do that!)
I asked this on anther site I am a member of as well, I will let you all know what I learn.
From the other site, I had one mom say she knows someone who thinks a vaccine caused her child's autism, and one reported seizures and a high fever.
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B.P. answers from New York on January 12, 2011
Actually, Dr. Wakefield's research is not proven fraudulent, nor is he even anti-vaccine himself. He merely raised the question, which is a mainstay of the scientific method. The vehemence of the mainstream response should raise a red flag. Anyway, there is a book by a former head of the Center for Disease Control regarding vaccines. I recommend reading it for an alternative point of view. I don't think I'm allowed to post the title, as per the rules of the site, but with some research you can find it.
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R.J. answers from Salt Lake City on January 12, 2011
I have heard stories but never actually met a kid with long term problems from vaccines. Most mothers I have talked to say the same thing.
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S.H. answers from Detroit on January 12, 2011
The Vaccine Book by Sears is a great straightforward reference. He is not for or against vaccine's... easy read and very informational and credible.
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R.K. answers from Appleton on January 12, 2011
No I don't. I am very concerned about the rise in parents not vaccating their children. We have so many people crossing our boarders illegally, no papers, no shots, possibly bringing any number of diseases with them. For many years the states that border Mexico had nearly epicidemic proportions of diseases the U.S. had under control. This was not just because of illegal immigration but also because the diseases crossed the border with day-workers and visitors.
Look back into history and see how many families buried their children maybe only one survived because of polio-measels-small pox ect. Then decide what to do for your child. Me, I was born just before the last polio epidemic in 1955, I have always considered vacines a gift from heaven.
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D.M. answers from Denver on January 12, 2011
I also do not know anyone with a long-term vaccine injury.
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M.R. answers from Chicago on January 12, 2011
I do not know one person who has had a vaccine injury and have worked with kids for 15+ years.
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M.R. answers from Columbus on January 12, 2011
I know one person who was allergic. No other vaccine injury, and I have two autistic children who attend a school for kids with autsim. Even with all that contact with parents of atutistic children, I only know one parent who thinks this, though she has no direct evidence of injury, she beleives that vaccines caused her son's autism. Vaccine injuiries are from seizures that may occur after the vaccine, and are very, very rare. They have zero to do with autism. I also know many kids who are not vaccinated...and one in 110 of them have autism, one in 99 if they are boys, the ratio is the same for unvaccinated children. Let me tell you this, if you have the one in 110 or the one in 99, they really are the last kid on earth who should get mumps, measils, or rubella.
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I post the names of books and authors all the time. Utter nonsense. MR
Here is an article from CNN, unless you think that these are lies, the only one caught in dishonesty and fraud is Wakefeild. No quotation marks without citation here...
(CNN) -- The author of a now-retracted study linking autism to childhood vaccines expected a related medical test to rack up sales of up to $43 million a year, a British medical journal reported Tuesday.
The report in the medical journal BMJ is the second in a series sharply critical of Dr. Andrew Wakefield, who reported the link in 1998. It follows the journal's declaration last week that the 1998 paper in which Wakefield first suggested a connection between autism and the measles, mumps and rubella, or MMR, vaccine was an "elaborate fraud."
The venture "was to be launched off the back of the vaccine scare, diagnosing a purported -- and still unsubstantiated -- 'new syndrome,'" BMJ reported Tuesday. A prospectus for potential investors suggested that a test for the disorder Wakefield dubbed "autistic enterocolitis" could produce as much as 28 million pounds ($43 million U.S.) in revenue, the journal reported, with "litigation driven testing" of patients in the United States and Britain its initial market.
Among his partners in the enterprise was the father of one of the 12 children in the 1998 study that launched the controversy, the journal reported.
In 2010, after a lengthy investigation, British authorities stripped Wakefield of his medical license, and the Lancet -- which published his original study -- retracted the paper. He has denied any wrongdoing, and a vocal contingent of advocates for children with autism continues to support him.
Wakefield did not immediately respond to a request for comment from CNN. But in an interview on an internet radio site Tuesday, Wakefield again defended his research and called the BMJ series "utter nonsense."
He said the patent he held was not for a test or an alternative to the MMR vaccine, as BMJ reported, but an "over-the-counter nutritional supplement" that boosts the immune system. And he blasted allegations that he used the cases of the 12 children in his study to promote his business venture.
"The children were not exploited," he said. "They were seen because they were sick. They had clinical referrals. They came to us. We responded to a crisis."
He also repeated his attack on the author of the BMJ report, freelance journalist Brian Deer, whom he has accused of being paid by the pharmaceutical industry. In financial disclosure forms, Deer has stated that he has received no such payments.
Dr. Max Wiznitzer, a pediatric neurologist at Rainbow Babies and Children's Hospital in Cleveland, said that if true, the latest BMJ allegations would indicate a major ethical breach.
"Assuming the facts Deer lays out are correct, it is disappointing that Wakefield in his book casts aspersions on others for all their purported conflicts of interests and failures of disclosure, yet does not examine the same issues in himself," Wiznitzer said. "Therefore, those who are trying to objectively evaluate the situation have up to this point not been given all the facts."
BMJ reported the business venture failed to launch after Wakefield's superiors at University College London's medical school raised concerns in 1999 about a "serious conflict of interest" between his research and the company formed to launch his new product.
"This concern arose originally because the company's business plan appears to depend on premature, scientifically unjustified publication of results, which do not conform to the rigorous academic and scientific standards that are generally expected," a letter stated. But the university offered him a year's paid absence and help in replicating his original research with a larger group of 150 children in the name of "good scientific practice."
The follow-up study never occurred, and no other research has duplicated Wakefield's original findings, BMJ reported. He left the university in 2001, and BMJ quotes his former boss as saying the school "paid him to go away."
The BMJ pieces are a series of investigative reports, not a clinical study. The journal's editor-in-chief, Fiona Godlee, said last week that of the 12 children Wakefield examined in his 1998 Lancet paper, five showed developmental problems before receiving the MMR vaccine and three never had autism.
According to BMJ, Wakefield received more than 435,000 pounds (about $674,000) from lawyers trying to build a case against vaccine manufacturers -- a serious conflict of interest he failed to disclose. Most of his co-authors abandoned the study in 2004, when those payments were revealed.
The now-discredited paper panicked many parents and led to a sharp drop in the number of children getting the vaccine that prevents measles, mumps and rubella. Vaccination rates dropped sharply in Britain after its publication, falling as low as 80% by 2004. Measles cases have gone up sharply in the ensuing years.
In the United States, more cases of measles were reported in 2008 than in any other year since 1997, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. More than 90% of those infected had not been vaccinated or their vaccination status was unknown, the CDC reported.
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M.L. answers from Houston on January 12, 2011
I do not know anyone with a long term vaccine injury.
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B.L. answers from Missoula on January 12, 2011
My son had his first seizure right after his MMR vaccine. Thousands of people reported the same thing. If you go to Dr. Tenpenny's on facebook, you will see all the mothers and fathers posting about what has happened to their perfect children right after a vaccine. And you will see the TRUTH about Dr. Wakefield. He is not a fraud. He was the only one in that study willing to lose his license because he thinks something needs to be done about that vaccine.You can see the videos of the reporter Brian Deer and being asked questions and his answers don't match what he had preciously said. And, the news refuses to tell the truth of what really was said in that article from Dr. Wakefield. He NEVER said that MMR was linked to autism. But, the news says that he did say that. You can find all the proof on Dr. Tenpenny's page. When thousands of people say that their child "changed" after the MMR vaccine, you can't deny the proof there. You just can't! Please become of fan of Dr. Tenpenny's page and you will learn alot!
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T.M. answers from Philadelphia on January 12, 2011
I have never heard of anyone with a long term injury either.
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L.J. answers from Colorado Springs on January 12, 2011
I would HIGHLY suggest you read these two articles about vaccinations.
vaccines dont really help prevent diseases like all the drs and pharmaceuticals say they do, in FACT they dont have proof that the vaccines prevent the diseases. your child can still get the disease he/she was vaccinated against. it has happened many times.
"The peak incidence for SIDS is age 2 to 4 months the exact time most vaccines are being given to children. 85 % of cases of SIDS occur in the first 6 months of infancy........These deaths from SIDS did increase during a period when the number of vaccines given a child was steadily rising to 36 per child. "
"As measles immunization rates rise to high levels measles becomes a disease seen only in vaccinated persons."
"An outbreak of measles occurred in a school where 100 % of the children had been vaccinated. Measles mortality rates had declined by 97 % in England before measles vaccination was instituted. "
"In 1986 there were 1300 cases of pertussis in Kansas and 90 % of these cases occurred in children who had been adequately vaccinated."
"The number of cases of pertussis has steadily decreased[3] even though far fewer children are receiving pertussis vaccine."
the cons of getting your children vaccinated outweighs the pros, by quite a bit. do the research.
http://www.newswithviews.com/Howenstine/james.htm
http://www.relfe.com/vaccine.html
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