M.S. asks from Minneapolis, MN on October 27, 2009
Toddler Bedtime
My daughter, who is 2 years 4 months old, has been fighting bedtime since she was a baby, but now that she's in a bed it has gotten worse. We have the same routine every night--pjs, brush teeth, read about 3 books and say prayers, but she cries and gets out of bed once we leave. I've tried to put her back in bed and not say anything. I'll sit outside her room and just put her back in bed, and that will go on for an hour and a half, which it seems to become a game. We'll put a gate up across her room and just let her cry, but she'll still take sometimes 2-3 hours to finally fall asleep. I've tried moving her bedtime up earlier (she used to go to bed about 8 and wake up about 8, now it has been pushed to 10:30 some nights) and also tried to shorten her nap (usually 1-2 hours).
She does not have a lovey that she likes, has never sucked her thumb or paci, and she doesn't like us to play music. She fussed when she was a baby, but in the crib we could let her cry for 5 min or so and she would fall asleep. She has also never been soothed by having us lay by her or rock her or anything (she just gets more wound up).
We do have a new baby in the house, so I know this has made things worse. Now that she's mostly potty trained, she uses the potty card for us to get her!
Any ideas of things we haven't tried? She is a very smart little girl, and when we ask her why she won't go to sleep, she just says she wants to keep playing. I try to tell her she needs to sleep for whatever is coming up the next day, but I think that type of reward is a little too far away for a two year old.
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M.R. answers from Minneapolis on October 28, 2009
3 of my children gave up napping by the time they were 2 years old- I kind of forced them to because they were going to bed late or being very difficult at bedtime. after no nap then they were TIRED at bedtime and fell right to sleep, give it a try!
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H.B. answers from Milwaukee on October 28, 2009
Good morning. Since you have already sat at your daughter's door, and used a gate, you have already set a good boundary for her. It seems to me that you can use the gate, telling her that you are going to check on her every few minutes, and that you would like to see her, like a big girl, sleeping in her bed. I think you can also tell her that she has the freedom to sleep on the floor, too, if she wants, and that, if she chooses that, she will want to bring her blanket along so she doesn't get cold. If she doesn't want the blanket, you could say, she doesn't have to have it, but she will get cold. You can tell her that she knows where to find the blanket if she decides she wants to be cold. All these decisions are up to her. You can check on her every five minutes the first night. Every ten minutes the next night. Every 15 minutes the next night, etc. If she wanders, sleeps on the floor, cries, bangs stuff, etc., she will learn that you have set a boundary, also, for yourself, and that her actions are not going to control you. When you go back to her, if you find her in her bed, you can say something like, "I see you have learned to sleep like a big girl. Good for you! I love you. Good night." If she is out of bed, you can say, "I love you. Good night." Do not go back into her room after you have done the bedroom routine. She will learn to appreciate that you mean what you say and that she can count on you to be true to your word. If she ends up sleeping on the floor, then so what? If she wakes up cold and stiff, you can tell her that the bed is more comfortable. Let her deal with the natural consequences of her choices. Her behavior needs to be her "problem", not yours. Stick to your time decisions. She will learn. Best wishes. And write back with what is happening!!
M.A. answers from Minneapolis on October 27, 2009
Could it be that she is "overtired" and got a second wind? That is how my nieces were. They had an absolutely early bedtime ritual starting at 6:30 or they got another wind and got overtired and acted like what you are saying your daughter is doing.
J.P. answers from Minneapolis on October 27, 2009
Run her ragged so that she is exhausted before bed! I have a 2.5 year old boy and a 5 month old baby. Stick to your guns with the bed routine and show her that just because there is a baby in the house does not mean that she can get away with this new behavior. The behavior will probably pass but in the mean time... lots of active play (have daddy help while you are with the baby or have dad take the baby and you run her).
C.L. answers from Minneapolis on October 28, 2009
With a toddler who doesn't want to go to bed and a newborn you probably don't have a lot of time and energy to read, but you might want to check out Mary Sheedy Kurcinka's book, "Sleepless in America." Some things Mary recommends are morning exercise, limited screen time and no screen time after dinner and a quiet, regular bedtime routine. Some kids get wired when they get over tired too. Mary says "sleep begats sleep." Mary has also written books on raising spirited children. My now 13-year-old was like your 2-year-old and he now sleeps like a typical teenager. It's funny though--I STILL think back to those early years though and I HATE waking him up. Good luck.
K.D. answers from Dallas on October 27, 2009
My daughter is the same age and we had trouble with that when she had just turned two. I would always do the routine, (similar to yours) and then I would leave a light on in the bathroom right off her room, and leave her door open. When I see that she has fallen asleep, I close the door for the night. She is a good girl now rarely fusses at bedtime and she always stays in bed, if she needs me she just calls to me and doesn't get out. I am very blessed. But when she was starting out with this, she would fuss quite a bit, and come into the livingroom...many times, but each time I would just walk her back in and repeat that its bedtime and that she had to stay in bed. I would say that it took a solid 5 days of her trying to 'stay up' for her to get it. But I do have to say, that making sure they have burned off that energy is the absolute key! Just do a little hide and seek in the house, playing outside a little while before it gets dark, rough housing with Daddy, whatever..it doesn't have to be all that much honestly, you will notice when she starts to lose momentum and that should be enough. =) If I were you, I would not sit outside her room, you want to be out of sight, because you just become a distraction and a temptation to be with to her. I would always put the TV on when she went to sleep, watching 'Mommy shows' as she calls them- I didn't always sit in front of it, but I think she found comfort in me doing the same old thing every night. Good luck!!
K.H. answers from Des Moines on October 28, 2009
Hi M.! I can feel your pain! We went through this exact thing with our little one recently at exactly the same time (age). It was a battlefield getting to bed. Crying and throwing fits every night when we took her upstairs to go to bed. Here is what helped us:
1) Put her to bed at the exact same time each night (for us that is 7:30)
2) Make sure she is getting at least 11 hours of overnight sleep. At this age little ones need anywhere between 12-14 hours a day including any naps taken during the day. Our daughter usually takes an afternoon nap for about 1.5 hrs so all in all she gets about 12.5 hrs sleep each day. Its helped TREMENDOUSLY!
3) We showed her how the clock looks when it is time for bed (i.e. what "7:30" looks like on the clock. Then, when its time we tell her - "Look at what the clock says". We show her the clock says 7:30 and that means bedtime. For the first few days she would still fuss and I just told her "Mommy cannot change the clock. The clock says its bedtime so its bedtime. I'm sorry you're sad about it, but being so angry won't change the clock".
After about 5 days it stopped being an issue and now she knows when its bedtime she goes and tells her Daddy goodnight, tells the dog goodnight and then we go upstairs and start our routine.
I wish you all the best!!! I know its tough!
K.M. answers from Minneapolis on October 29, 2009
I actually disagree with the people who suggest running her ragged. It has been my experience that overtired kids cannot settle themselves down to sleep. I am firmly in the sleep begets sleep camp. Also, I completely agree with the poster who suggested that 10:30 is too late and she most likely has gotten a second wind. Kids that age need about 12-14 hours of sleep a day with about 12 hours of it coming at night. If she is waking at 8am then she should be in bed by 8pm. I think you have a good routine...just need to stick to it. Make sure the lights have been turned down low and there isn't a lot of noise or stimulation for that last book. That helps. All the signals should be to sleep.
One thing we always told my kids is that they release growth hormones during night time REM sleep. So, if they want to grow to be big and strong like their father, they needed to sleep. That was a HUGE motivator for them.
Good luck
T.S. answers from Minneapolis on October 28, 2009
Our daughter did this at about the same age. We decided to not do naps anymore and it fixed the issue. She would still have a bit of a low and watch a cartoon, but would perk right up and be ready for the second half of the day afterwards. She went to bed soon and slept sounder also. Also establishing a routine helps. We always put her to bed at the same time and up at the same time, etc. I would read her a book and snuggle by her for a few minutes every night, no matter what. We still use this routine and it seems to work well.
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