Tired of Being Expected to Do for Lazy Sister

Updated on June 06, 2014
J.N. asks from Carthage, MO
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There is a fun event this weekend that I am taking my kids to. My Grandma and Mom heard me talking about it and asked if I would take my niece and nephew along. My niece is 8 and my nephew is 4. Neither of them listen and I told my family that it was a tradition my husband and I started with our kids and we want to just go as a group of 4. The thing that bothers me is that my sister is plenty capable of taking her own children. She is never expected to do ANYTHING with her kids. She is now pregnant with kid #4. She, her husband and her kids all live with my Mom, and my Mom basically cares for her kids while she and her husband lay around and do nothing. My Mom and Grandma enable them constantly, then gripe to me how terrible they are with their kids. Then they get upset with me when I say I am not taking her kids with me. I look forward to summers with my kids and since they are 12 and 8, we can do so many fun things. I babysit throughout the week, so when I am off, I like it to be family time. I don't ask others to care for my kids, or sit around and do nothing all day, yet, if I say I won't take my sister's kids, I get griped at. Does anyone else have this issue, and what have you done? I don't want to be rude, and I might feel better about it (on occasion) if my sister didn't just sit around and do nothing, or ship her kids to Granny's 4 times a week while she lays around. She has no job, so why doesn't she want to spend time with her kids?

***Part of what bothered me so much is that my daughter overheard her Granny talking to her Grandma on the phone about it. My daughter was upset because she heard her say in a very rude tone that I wouldn't take them so now she HAS to. My daughter didn't appreciate her talking rudely about her mother. (She is very caring for her family!) It really hurt her feelings.

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G.B.

answers from Oklahoma City on

She spends too much time with her kids so she wants to pawn them off on you...

I'd say something like this.

"Okay, the cost to get in is $XX.xx each plus they'll want food so I'll need $XX.xx each, and I imagine they'll want to buy some souvenirs so why not give me $XX.xx each just to cover the what ifs."

Then if they can afford all that money I'd take it and maybe pay a babysitter to go along and manage them so my kids and I could have fun.

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R.M.

answers from San Francisco on

When you want to say no, just say no. You don't have to justify it. Your parents will just have to be upset, if that's how they choose to feel.

What your sister does is her business, and what you do is yours. Don't worry about what she does, or does not, do -- that's irrelevant.

Part of learning to say "no" is allowing people to have whatever feelings they are going to have about it. You cannot and should not try to control others' feelings.

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T.F.

answers from Dallas on

I think it is important for families to have their own traditions.

You owe no explanations to your sister or grandma. No one forced your sister to get pregnant 4 times. She made her choice and you made yours. You owe no one anything.

It is perfectly ok to let them know ALL of them are welcome to join you if you and your hubby agree on that, otherwise, stick to your guns.

She is pregnant with #4, living at home with mom, no job.... obviously she has plenty of playtime with her hubby.

Just remember, only you allow people to use you. Stay strong.

You have your family and family time set as your priority.. I think that is wonderful that you care so much about providing happy times for your children. From what I interpret, you are a day care provider, therefore you deserve your weekend or any other breaks you have to spend with YOUR children.

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K.F.

answers from Salinas on

Sounds like you're doing a great job parenting. Aren't you glad you're not your sister? Seems like a pretty pathetic life she leads.

Keep doing what you're doing. Include your sister's kids when you want to on your own terms. It sounds like they didn't win the Mother lottery which is sad.

Enjoy your weekend with your family. You're right to protect these times. It's what makes strong families and healthy children. Have fun!

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E.B.

answers from Denver on

I had to sit down and figure out a very similar situation with my brother. It wasn't so much about taking his kids places, but he definitely took advantage of me in other ways (financial, emotional, etc). He was extremely manipulative and sly. I finally had to create my own boundaries for his requests. For example, I would no longer agree to help pay for anything like ski rentals, dance shoes, a better cell phone, but I would help out with what I consider essentials, like helping him keep his home phone turned on (because he had kids in school, and what if one of them got sick or hurt? I didn't want the nurse or school staff to be unable to reach him). I would not house-sit or pet-sit so he could go on vacation, but I would watch a child if another one had to go to the doctor or ER. Those kinds of things made sense to me. It's different if someone makes an occasional request, like they finally get a weekend away after a tough year, or they have a chronically ill child: in those instances I'd babysit or take their other children along with mine. But the chronically lazy, irresponsible, chaotic, draining people are another story altogether, and require a different approach.

So, I encourage you to draw your own boundaries. Perhaps you could care for one child when your sister gives birth to #4, to take some of the burden off your mom. Or when you're making cookies or cupcakes with your kids, you could make a batch for their cousins. Or your kids could make a summer craft for their younger cousins to do while their mom is resting. There are lots of fun crafts that your kids could prepare (cutting shapes, packing the necessary supplies like string or child-safe glue sticks and instructions in a zip lock bag). That shows family love and support without being the nanny and maid to a lazy person.

And now is a good time to explain your boundaries, and explain your family dynamic in simple terms to your children. Don't use words like "lazy" or appear to criticize your sister. Use words like "she's not always willing to do family activities like we are" or "they sometimes have trouble making plans and managing their family", and stress that this is private family business, not to be discussed, but if they need to ask questions or talk it over, they may, privately with you). You don't have to go into detail, but you can stress how you are responsible for your kids, and your sister and her husband are responsible for theirs, and are able to care for them. And while families can cooperate with each other and support each other of course, that doesn't extend to "oh, since you're going, take my kids too". You might use an example such as asking one of your kids "if every time you were invited to a friend's house, or you had a birthday, I insisted that you take your brother or sister along, or share your birthday, you wouldn't think I was making very good choices, would you?" And explain that some people need guidance and rules, but also stress that you are willing to help in a real time of need (illness, accident, job loss, childbirth, etc) but those circumstances are not the same as taking extra kids on every outing. Empathize with your daughter about overhearing rude words. Explain that those words hurt, even just to overhear them said to someone else, and hug your daughter. You can't change the words, but you can show your daughter that you care and help her learn to feel secure in her own family, with kind words and love.

Remember, you can't always change what others expect of you, and you may always be "expected" to subsidize your sister's laziness, but you can change and control how you respond to unreasonable expectations. Think through your boundaries, always be kind but firm, and step up in times of need and hold your ground calmly and politely in times of being asked to enable someone's weaknesses.

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M.C.

answers from Norfolk on

All you have to do is say no. No need to give reasons or excuses, just no. It's hard to learn, but so amazing when you do! And if you're put on the spot, there's no need to respond right away. A simple "I need to think about it" works!

And I would not stand to be "griped" at for one second. I would either walk away or interrupt and say "I'm not interested in listening to what you have to say." All done!

The harder part is to get over your own conscience. If you can take them and want to, then do. If you don't want to, then don't, but let yourself be okay with it. You can't change how your sister and Mom feel, but you can control your own feelings. Focus on your family and hopefully they will see the good example and follow suit. Good luck! Enjoy YOUR family time!

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K.M.

answers from Kansas City on

"Sorry, mom. Can't bring them along this weekend. It's just us this time."

or...

"Sure you can bring them with you! We'll all have a fun time together!"

From this point forward, be very careful about what you say in front of your mom and grandma. You don't owe your sister a thing, so don't feel guilty about wanting time for your family. If you mom is so concerned about the kids getting out and about, then she can take them. She has made this bed, so she can lay in it.

I'm sorry you are in this position... I hope you are able to continue your tradition without any guilt. Have a great time!

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B.C.

answers from Norfolk on

You said 'No' so all you really have to do is not feel guilty about it.
Stand by the boundaries that you set.
Your Mom is enabling them and running herself ragged taking care of them and your sister and BIL are just breeding more responsibility for your Mom - and she's ALLOWING them to rather than telling them 'No' and enforcing some boundaries of her own.
Really, it's for the best that you step away from this co-dependent group.
It's not your job to fix or enable them.
Distance yourself and don't mention any activities you plan for your own family except after the fact.

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B..

answers from Dallas on

As for your daughter, this could be a good lesson on not being codependent. Your mom and others can try to make this your fault but if you don't take the blame, it will free your daughter from the same kind of emotional blackmail. recognizing the unfairness of the tone and blame is a good thing. I have a feeling that her cousins are going to learn to try to do the same thing to your daughter. Give her the backbone not to let it happen.

Your choices are yours to make, just like your sister makes hers. You didn't take her kids to raise.

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T.S.

answers from San Francisco on

Rosebud said it perfectly. So what if they (your mom and grandma) complain or gripe about it? That's their problem not yours. Go and enjoy your family and your life, you are not responsible for your sister's kids in any way.

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answers from Miami on

You REALLY need boundaries in your life where these people are concerned. No more talking about what you and your family are going to be doing. Just go do it! And do NOT take these kids when you just want to be with your own family.

That doesn't mean not to spend time with your nephews/nieces. But YOU choose. And no more listening to them grouse about the job they are having to do with these kids. Change the subject, walk out of the room, hang up the phone. If they finally realize that you aren't putting up with it, they'll stop talking about it. Maybe they'll even think twice about all this enabling they're doing.

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M.G.

answers from Dallas on

Why the hell is your sister pregnant AGAIN? Does she not know about birth control? You have your own kids - you have NOTHING to feel guilty about! Don't be a pushover - always say no if you want!

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O.O.

answers from Los Angeles on

You did the right thing -- you put your tongue on the roof of your mouth upfront near your top teeth, and make the n-n-n sound, followed by ooohhhh! Repeat as necessary!
Last time I checked if you want to invite people to something, you extend an invitation.
Maybe you should remind them all of that?!

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I.O.

answers from McAllen on

You don't need to figure out why she does what she does; it doesn't matter. Believe it or not, it is pretty typical for people not to be quick to invite other children to tag along on their family outings. Seriously. For them to suggest it--"Hey, why not take these two with you?"--is really pretty...off. You should even look surprised when it is suggested. "Um, no, I don't want to be responsible for any children other than my two on my days off."

If you're going to share the info with them, then you should make it clear that this is something that you want to do with YOUR children. Personalize the experience. "John and I have really been looking forward to taking the girls to the alligator exhibit at the zoo. They have been reading about them together, so this will be a really cool experience for them to share." If someone suggests that you include another kid--and you really don't want to--don't miss a beat when you say somewhat enthusiastically, "Yeah, well, if Sherry and Bill want to have a group outing, we could all go. After the girls's exhibit, we could bring the kids together for lunch!" If they really try to impose after that, then you should be as blunt as you need to be to back them down.

Don't spend time on excuses, because they'll work their way around those, and you'll feel cornered.

I see no problem at all with your expressing in casual conversation with the family or in pointed discussion about this that you work with other people's children all week and only want to deal one on one with yours on the weekends. Call it an occupational hazard. So what if they gripe? You have to believe that your reasons are just as valid as theirs, and you don't owe anybody your sanity but the little people whom you committed to nurture to adulthood, and maybe their father. Your plate is full.

PS. Do your mother and grandmother (and sister) know how you feel about their arrangement? If so, then you can reference that freely. I have been known to say, "This is YOUR arrangement with them, not mine." People who regularly pick up the slack enlist others to partner with them. You don't have to. As adults, they all have the right to lean on each other, but you don't have to feel obligated to join in. Tell them that. And know that they're only griping at you because you have the courage not to fall into those patterns of bad behavior. They don't like things the way they are, and your aversion to the dysfunction serves as a reminder to them of just how messed up that situation is. Their problem--not yours.

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L.R.

answers from Washington DC on

When you say you do babysitting during the week - you are not babysitting the niece and nephew, are you? I absolutely hope not. That would make sister and family feel that you are the 24/7 nanny. I figure that since you refer to being "off" that you have a real paid job doing it and aren't their sitter.....

Watch out, too, because with a daughter who is 12 you are soon going to hear, "Can Daughter babysit the kids?" No way, no how. The kids aren't going to listen to their cousin, sister is going to "forget" to pay or assume that it's unpaid labor "because they're cousins," etc. I would almost bet you that this will happen.

Congratulations to you for setting boundaries and sticking to them. Don't cave, ever. I was worried when I started to read the post that the story would end up being one where you agreed to take these kids and regretted it but was glad to see that you know how to say no! The issue, then, is not boundaries, which you know well how to set; it's your own emotions about your sister's and mother's snarky reactions and attempts to guilt you into doing things. As others noted: You cannot control the reactions of others, but you can only control your own reactions.

I would be sure to screen their calls, from all of them -- sister, mom, grandma, the enablers. Never take a call the first time--let them leave a message and call back when it's convenient for you, not for them. Call back only after events are done -- after they thing they wanted you to haul her kids to is over! If they are constantly texting or e-mailing you, hey, "My phone was off. I'm trying to spend less time on screens and more time with the children when I am not at my JOB." Say it with a big smile and zero snark in your voice (hard though that will be).

Sounds like you might want to limit your own kids' exposure to sister, granny and grandma, frankly, if your child is being upset by hearing the older generation complain. Your daughter is old enough to learn that we can love people but still not like their behaviors, and she's old enough to learn what "taking advantage of someone" means in practice.

Go, plan great stuff with your kids for the summer. Their ages are perfect for a lot of outings you would never do with these other kids in tow. Keep those boundaries, never answer the first call or return a text instantly, smile and smile, and don't let it eat you or let your kids hear you complain about the relatives. Just be too busy to do much with them, and always too busy to do things with the kids that you know their own parents could be doing.

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K.M.

answers from Kansas City on

You are in the right! Your mom and grandma can enable her--but you don't have to!!! Good for you!!! Let her know you can give her the information, but you won't take the kids.

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S.W.

answers from Amarillo on

Stick to your guns and take your kids only. You deserve time away from other people's children even if they are other family members.

You said no and that is how it stands. Get over the guilt feeling of having to drag around kids that don't belong to you. I have seen how that turns out in the end when you are the aunt and resent being around any of the family for any reason. So nip it in the bud before you have one big blow up and out and then no one speaks to anyone. Your bore two kids and those are the only ones you are responsible for. If need by move away.

Enjoy your life as an independent adult.

the other S.

PS Life is too short for all this drama. Different strokes for different folks.

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C.N.

answers from Baton Rouge on

Insisting on having time alone with YOUR kids is not being rude.

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P.M.

answers from Portland on

There are two issues here that are important. One is that enabling is destructive, and hard for the enabler to recognize or change. I understand your not wishing to participate in that dynamic. The other thing that I often think about is how to enrich children's experience to help them become better, happier, healthier, or saner.

Since most kids will survive to be adults who reflect their nurturing or lack of it, and thereby affect the society that all of us inhabit, if I can shift a child's experience a bit, I tend to rise to the bait. This is easier now that I don't have a child of my own to care for, though – as a young mom, I was pretty busy just raising my own.

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A.S.

answers from Boca Raton on

One word: BOUNDARIES

Mom - no, can't take the nieces/nephews - hubby and I want to take our kids on our own.

Your mom wants them out of her hair (or at the very least on a fun outing) and she's using you to accomplish that objective. She needs to shift her focus to the daughter who actually needs a kick in the butt. But you're the path of least resistance. Stop doing this dance with them.

Stop feeling guilty too. Read up on enmeshment.

Good for you standing up for your kids.

ETA: I loved Elena B.'s answer.

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S.T.

answers from Washington DC on

stick to your guns. you are under no obligation to spend your precious family time doing anything other than enjoying your own family.
that being said, it would be nice if you scheduled a few occasions to take your niece and nephew along. it sounds as if they could use it. it's not their fault their mom is a slacker.
downplay the eavesdropping on grandma thing. if you don't act all hurt and upset over it, your daughter won't take on. it's nice that she's defensive on your behalf but you don't need to teach her to get all hyped up on family drama.
khairete
S.

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L.C.

answers from Washington DC on

Stick to your guns and continue to say no. Your kids are older and they certainly don't want to have to do little kid stuff any more.
Once in a great while, I'd invite the little ones to do something special. If someone asks you to take them, the answer would always be no, but a special invite from auntie would be awesome.
You also might consider taking the cousins to do something special one at a time. I bet they act up because they crave attention.

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Stick to your guns and continue to say no. Your kids are older and they certainly don't want to have to do little kid stuff any more.
Once in a great while, I'd invite the little ones to do something special. If someone asks you to take them, the answer would always be no, but a special invite from auntie would be awesome.
You also might consider taking the cousins to do something special one at a time. I bet they act up because they crave attention.

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B.A.

answers from Minneapolis on

Stick to your answer now and every time you say NO. Do not let them change your mind. If you back down, you will be reinforcing their bullying behavior.

That said, I think your nieces and nephews would really benefit from spending time with your family. Plan some activities to include them.

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G.♣.

answers from Springfield on

I don't think you're wrong about wanting it to be just your family or not wanting to take your sister's kids.

I wonder if your mom wants you to take them so that she can have a break. It sounds like your mom is really their primary care giver. She's already raised her kids, and she's probably tired. Not your problem, but that's probably what's going on rather. I bet it's not so much that she thinks you should take the as she wishes you would.

Have you invited your sister to join you for things like this? I have a feeling your mom would be thrilled if that ever happened (the house to herself, a little bit of "me" time). You really could try that route, but you would obviously want to be very clear about things. Make sure you say, "you and the kids" as in, "Would you and the kids like to meet us there?" You just want to make sure you are clear that she is responsible for her kids, and you are responsible for yours. This includes price of admission as well as behavior.

It is ok for you to want to spend time with your kids, and it really is ok for you to not want to always be responsible for your sister's kids. But she is your sister, so think about what you are willing to do and do what you can.

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A.G.

answers from Houston on

Your kids are old enough for you to explain the truth to them. Would you rather them live with the Granny's lie, or your truth from your own mouth, in their heads? Fight fire with fire, but don't let the image and knowledge your kids have of you burn. Let them know why their cousins can't spend a lot of time with ya'll.

And you don't have to be so apologetic to anyone why you don't want to watch your sister's kids. If you say no, then that should end the conversation - with your family or here on Mamapedia. My point is to stick to your guns and stand strong for yourself.

I know that sounds harsh but I have a brother with 2 boys and they are spoiled spoiled brats. My brother and his wife are the kind of parents where its everyone else's fault, not their darling kids. If they get in trouble at school, they are the first to blame the teacher, the classmates or the school policies. Its so ridiculous.

We are a close knit family and it breaks my heart I can't have a relationship with my brother's sons. They're about the same age as your children and for years we've all tried love and accept them, but as they approach middle school years (and becoming more hormonal) they are more than difficult to the point where they've been asked to leave family functions (and you can only can only imagine the family drama surrounding that!). They've never been taught to respect authority and their parents seem fine with that. So I've prepared myself that we will never be close or have a relationship. I love them, but we will never be close.

Don't let your kids just see their cousins as wild creatures who you don't spend a lot of time with. Let them know what you think of the situation and your reasons for how you handle it. Have faith in them and allow your kids to be your biggest supporters when it comes to family things.

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R.X.

answers from Houston on

Only Peg M. and I are thinking in the long term. I would take the kids. You and your husband's time with them are setting yourselves up for 2 additional caregivers in your old age. These kids know that their mama is a slacker and really would love to trade her in for your family. This will also give your dear mama some alone time.

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