P.N. asks from Carmichael, CA on April 15, 2008
Supporting an 11 Year Old Girl Who Is Almost Polar Opposite from Me
My daughter is mostly interested in things I don't value and often dislike, such as buying trendy clothes, keeping up with current movie stars and models, having perfect hair styles, wanting to be a famous actress or model, and wearing makeup. I find much of this trivial and impractical, but I try not to criticize, except for pointing out the downside of certain of these activities (i.e. spending $250 on a trendy purse uses up much of her clothing budget for the year and becomes out of vogue almost immediately). I value the freedom to like what one likes and hate to tell her she can't do something unless it's really bad for her, so these things stump me. But I also hate seeing her going down what seems like a really silly path.
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C.B. answers from San Francisco on April 17, 2008
It's called acceptance. You don't have to agree with her choices or even like them, but you do have to accept them and you have to remember she's only 13 and what you consider to be silly and trivial may be very important in her social sphere. She is her own person with her own likes and dislikes. Who knows, maybe she'll end up being a success in the fashion industry.
K.S. answers from San Francisco on April 16, 2008
Wow! It's so hard to relate to all the girlie things, isn't it? I would suggest teaching her the fun of bargain hunting at Goodwill, Target, Salvation Army and Ebay. This could be lots of fun for the two of you.
Good Luck!
H.D. answers from San Francisco on April 16, 2008
I was concerned about this with my 4 year old! Not that she is this way, but that she will be influenced later in life. Anyway -- a dear friend of mine who is also a MFT told me that putting too much attention on what I didn't want her to value will likely make it more in her mind. She suggested that I just go with it -- limiting the material things to what I feel is appropriate and when a situation comes up that has nothing to do with a material item --really talk a lot about how great that experience is and how that experience is something that will last longer (than a pair of jeans, so to speak). If you are watching TV and there is a story about someone doing something great -- talk about how beautiful they are.
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S.V. answers from San Francisco on April 16, 2008
hi P.:
i have three boys and i can totally understand your situation...
because i have dedicated my life to my children, until i got so sick that i decided to re-evaluate my support system. i found my self very lonely at times, because i was doing everything for my boys...i taught them all the things that were important to me, like art, music, and sports, besides regular school and family activities. and even though i have a husband, he dedicated most of his time to work and left everything else to me... i had to recognize that i was also the one that allowed him to dump everything on me, so i started to built my network of friends again. i got involved in art, music, and found i have three really good friends.... my husband and i ended up separating for three years... we almost got divorce , until he apologized and started to take care of the sports and other activities....my 2 older boys ended up leaving the music classes i spent so many years cultivating. but, those were the consequences i had to accept for letting them deal with their dad because they are 17 , 14 and 12, so they have strong very independent personalities...
i always remember that einstein hated his mother for forcing him to practice the violin when he was small, yet it was his refuge when he was an adult.... we have to let them make their own choices and many times that means allowing them to make mistakes... for the way you describe your daughter, she is a typical teen that wants the trendy clothes,etc,etc... don't under estimate her values, all the things you taught her are inside her... this is just a face... and very important for her to live those dreams... and she will pull out all her knowledge you are giving her when ever she needs it.... for now as long as she spends her budget on what ever she likes, and does not ask you to give her more money for other things that were part of her budget is ok dear P.... i remember spending most of my money on shoes and jewelery when i was a young teen, but i also had to make due with my choices because that meant not buying other clothes and many times not buying the necessary things like socks for school, so i had to hand wash my two pairs for weeks until i was able to raise that money, either working in the garden or tutoring ...
i out grew that face, just like many teens... i am back in school right now trying to get my ma... i quit my job and only teach part time, as to allow me to go to school,etc..
i have a social life now, so my kids know that certain days they stay home and take care of their youngest brother, they do the laundry most of the time, they clean their room on a daily basis, and their dad and i help them once a month...
they also learned to do simple things like rice, boil potatoes, roast what ever i leave for them,etc, so the burden is not all on me anymore.... they many times ruin clothes, burn the foods and cleaning means stuffing everything in their closet, but that is how we all learn... is not the way i cleaned and kept my house , but what is most important to me is that they are learning to take care of them selves... and being flexible allows me to dedicate time to be with them at the movies sometimes, we go to restaurants sometimes, to the park, to their soccer games... and yes, many times we come home to a dirty house, but we all get together and start cleaning while i cook,or they cook and i clean,etc..
please take time to built your support network... because your kids have a life of their own, and is important for you to have friends, lovers, relatives, acquaintances,etc,etc... life is beautiful, please take the time to enjoy it...
warmly,
sandy
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L.M. answers from Modesto on April 16, 2008
Hi P.,
My daughter wanted all the name brands and would make shopping a living nightmare so I decided to side step the pain. First, to help her learn about managing money, I gave her an allowance each month and it was for clothes, entertainment, etc. If she didn't like the Costco shampoo I bought she could use her money to buy something else. For school clothes, I gave a certain amount of money before school began and that was it. I bought underwear, bras, coat, gym shoes, but the rest was up to her. I also took her to the store and went off to get a cup of coffee while she decided. That way I could stay calm and not make remarks she really didn't want to hear. I would buy supplements from time to time if I saw something I thought she would like, but if she complained or dissed it, I would just say okay, take it back and wait a longer time before I tried again. We also had a family rule that if we were shopping together and I showed her something she didn't like, she woudl just say something like "That's not my style" or "no, thanks" in a tone of voice that was neutral and we would just move on. If she was showing me things I didn't like, I would say things like "I don't think it flatters your figure, or hair color, etc." or ask her what she liked about it. This way we didn't fight, hurt feelings we kept to a minimum and attitude for both of us dropped off.
It is difficult to keep one's mouth shut at times and when my daughter and our exchange student decided they wanted to die their hair outrageous colors, I stayed out of it. While they looked like thing one and thing two with bright red and bright green hair, it was harmless and I let their peers do the talking. The red was really horrible on her and went she went to bright pink, I was relieved not to be living with Bozo the clown anymore! When the third color was discussed I did put my foot down about bleaching her hair so many times and said she had to wait six months. The interest faded after that.
I think having a sense of humor, encouraging exploration of self in healthy ways, and managing my own remarks and attitude were hard, but I was calmer and we had fewer battles. As she is 11, there will be more points of this, so choosing battles wisely and how much is crucial. I wish you and your family the best.
L.
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L.S. answers from San Francisco on April 15, 2008
I raised a "fashionista" also-my polar opposite.
Now she is 25, making $ hand over fist, and can afford the life style-nothing wrong with that.
I will say that when she was younger, I would only give her what I thought was reasonable for school clothes- the rest she had to earn- noboby rides for free.
Who knows- maybe your daughter will be the next Vera Wang!
The only thing I did insist on with my girls was good skin care- so I usually bought their basics in makeup- I did not want to deal with bad skin. And it gave us a common ground. That I can help with if you like-www.myjafra.com/lschmidt
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J.A. answers from San Francisco on April 16, 2008
Hi there!
The only true advice I can give you is to teach your daughter how to shop wisely; there are consignment stores, etc., Being she is only 11 years old, she's looking for what will validate her amongst her peers, and what is acceptable. You might have to take her out and do some comparison shopping, and how to set her own trend. (To be stylish & know that the secret is only "hers")
Find positive role models who are famous, yet are also philanthropists. I have a son who likes materialistic things as well; I chose uniforms in middle school so he could focus on the important things; not status symbols. If he wanted something expensive, he had to work for it; and waited to buy things on sale. It isn't always easy having to say no and not have strong feelings about personal choices, but rather look at it from her perspective. Thrift shops sell gently used clothing & even new clothes. I'm assuming you're in the Bay area, take a trip down to Berkeley or San Francisco to visit the Buffalo Exchange. They have wonderful trendy clothes, shoes, & accessories for cheap or barter! Also, go to your local beauty school; there are bright & innovative students who can give your daughter a look that is all her own without breaking her budget. I have to add that I do have 2 daughters as well, and one will be 17 this week. She's learned to adapt her style, and she is quite the fashion statement of her own; which gently reminds me of the young girl I once was. My daughter's fashion trends are quite opposite from me, but there is almost 26 years between us! With that said; I wish you all the luck with your young lady. Just learn to "choose your battles" and that this too, shall pass.
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J.M. answers from San Francisco on April 16, 2008
I think it is normal for her to be obsessed with those things right now. My advise is you keep on giving her the freedom to do as she pleases. If you fight it she will fight back. Most likely she will return to the values she grew up with and the values that were displayed by you.
My son is 12. He is just as bad and drives me nuts.
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M.E. answers from San Francisco on April 16, 2008
I can understand being a bit stumped by this, but fashion and entertainment offer opportunities to introduce a deeper perspective on culture and being a woman. When I was younger, I wanted to be a fashion designer and I was raised by a mom with weight struggles who hated shopping. I still love fashion and entertainment, but I have a degree in Women's Studies from a wonderful women's college and my family doesn't watch T.V., so I consider myself fairly balanced. A girly femminist. There's so much history and cultural significance (good and bad) to fashion, movies, entertainment. Why not embrace her obsessions in your own way and see what you can add to her interest? Many fashion designers were too broke growing up to buy expensive clothing and so they made things themselves. Perhaps her creativity needs to be challenged. Perhaps she needs a part-time job to support her expensive tastes! I used to clean the dance studio I took classes at in order to pay for additional classes that my parents couldn't afford.
Does she have any interest in sewing or crafting? Fashion and acting are both arts that are only successful with drive and hard work. Maybe she needs more exposure to what it really takes instead of what she sees in magazines? As a teacher, you might be able to find some resources to help her learn about what is really behind all the glamour. However, I think to get through, you have to approach it with some enthusiasm for her perspective. You can do it!
C.B. answers from San Francisco on April 17, 2008
It's called acceptance. You don't have to agree with her choices or even like them, but you do have to accept them and you have to remember she's only 13 and what you consider to be silly and trivial may be very important in her social sphere. She is her own person with her own likes and dislikes. Who knows, maybe she'll end up being a success in the fashion industry.
G.P. answers from Modesto on April 16, 2008
11 is a bit young to put on make-up. My son is 12 and started to dress with droopy pants two years ago. To be a model, takes alot of dedication and time. Kids nowadays in school are dressing like older kids do. The last thing you need is boys getting the wrong idea. If money is an issue, she needs to understand that money doesn't grow on trees. My son wants new shoes every other month, or new clothes. He's always telling me the clothes he has is too small.
Yes he is very spoiled, I have to tell him, that its not fair to his other brothers. I barely can afford the things he likes. I have no girls, but girls need to be more careful with the way boys are these days. If she has allowance or doing chores do get those things, she may appreciate things in life. Times have changed, and things aren't the same anymore.
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