Son Won't Sleep! - Seneca Falls,NY

Updated on March 04, 2008
H.R. asks from Strykersville, NY
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I have two children that have always slept great. My son who is the youngest 4, has never slept anywhere but his bassinett, crib and now toddler bed. Over the last couple of weeks he has started screaming and throwing fits like i've never seen because he says he is scared to go to bed. I'm assuming these are night terrors...but sometimes it's before he even falls asleep. He shakes and knocks his gate down. No matter how many times he gets put back in bed he gets right back out. I've sat up talking with him and rubbing his back for hours and still no luck. He says he hears noises but has a television and fan on so i know that's not possible. We still took the time to sit in his room in the dark with him to explain every noise we heard, heater and water pipes. He still refuses. I honestly don't know what to do. I've offered him a flash light, special stuffed animal and bribed him with treats if he sleeps...you get desperate after a week of not sleeping. :) Ayway, if anyone has any suggestions I would be so grateful. Thanks!

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that was probably the wrong word to use, i apologize. i have been a stay at home mom with both of my chidren and am a very compassionate person. what i meant was when he is misbehaving we use a reward and take away system. it's not like i'm ripping a teady bear or blanket out of his arms and screaming at him! i simply take away computer or video game time...things that are more of an earned luxury. i don't result to hitting or becoming physical, but when a child is being irrational and needs to be brought back to reality sometimes using that system works. and they are trivial things that can easily be earned back the next day. honestly, it's become more like a routine for him wanting me in the room than an actual fear of something. i don't agree with starting a bad habit of putting the child in the bed with me. then it creates another problem that has to be broken. it's not a safe thing to do either. we have always made it a point to have our children sleep in their beds. we are a very loving family and i don't force my children to do anything. i'm just exhausted and out of ideas. i have rewarded him more than taken from him. he is in a safe, well lit room with his tv on in a little hummer bed with his blanket and cup surrounded by all of his things. he is fine. sounds can be scary, i realize this, but giving in to a child and letting them have their way is not the answer. i comfort him by talking soothingly and rubbing his back and head. i try to reason with him and explain every sound we hear so he understands. i take out anything in his sight that he may feel is scary. we gave him a "magical bear that keeps away anything scary." he's had his lamp, nightlight and tv on to avoid it being dark...i have tried everything! it's a new issue for us. i've been around children my whole life, my mother had an in home daycare for 17 years and i was a nanny for 6 years before becoming a mother. i think i worded that request wrongly and you assumed the worst. society has become so afraid of actually enforcing parenting that we are so quickly and ready to give in. children need structure right along with love and compassion and all other parenting skills. i think there needs to be a healthy balance. i am a great mom and my kids are my entire life...i was just asking for some advice. don't think i'll be doing that again. thanks anyway i do appreciate your "advice."

sorry, that was directed towards the first advice that was given to me and i wanted to explain what i meant...this isn't aimed towards anyone else that has been so amazingly helpful! <3

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M.S.

answers from New York on

H.,
My son had the same problem until one day he told me it was a movie that he should have not been watching when he was supposed to be in bed. He visualized monsters underhis bed and in his closet. So one day I sat with him and when he told me the onsters were there, I yelled out to the monsters that they needed to show their faces to me because if they were going to take up residence in my son's room all the monsters were going to have to pay rent and do chores to live there. My son had the laugh of his life and has slept peacefully since. Once in awhile the monsters come to visit, but when I tell them they have to pay rent they miraculously leave the premisses. Hope this helps. Good Luck.

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M.B.

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My daughter had a similar problem with one of her daughters. Every night she sprayed air freshener all around and under the bed and in the closets and told her this would keep all the scarey things away while she slept. It worked for them. It's worth a try.

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L.A.

answers from New York on

You mention he has a TV in his room that is kept on at night. My advice would be to remove the TV. Experts say that kids have a difficult time sleeping if they watch TV before bed. I would assume leaving it on while they are supposed to be sleeping is even worse!

Also, is he watching age appropriate shows? Many young kids watch cartoons and movies that are made for older kids, which can also cause nightmares and fears at night. Even a movie like Shrek can be scary for a 4 year old (and is made for older kids like 7 and up).

Good Luck!

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H.D.

answers from New York on

I have to say that I think the most difficult part of being a parent is when your children are not sleeping regularly, you just can't function at 100% when you are not getting a good night sleep. That being said, you need to reclaim the night!! I think you should turn the TV off, a child needs to self sooth back to sleep, the TV is the worst distraction for a child. You need to set up a ritual where you check under the bed, in the closet and around the corners, leave the light on. Then you need to set up boundaries. One back to bed, then return to bed each time. The supernanny (channel 7) has a great book with this technique in it. You have to be firm and keep doing it no matter how long it takes. We did this for my daughter and it took three nights, but after the third night she put herself to bed, feel asleep on her own and slept through the night. It was wonderful!! Sometimes you have get tuff, it's not easy, but it's worth it!! Good luck!!

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M.K.

answers from New York on

H. , your best bet is to cuddle him , then bring him to YOUR bedroom and lay down with him till he falls asleep and after he does carry him into his bed.

NEXT figure out what is scaring him, sometimes VIOLENT kids shows or movies are the worst culprits

like NINJA movies, fast and the furious tokyo drift,
sword fights, scarey commercials for movies that are out in theatre's, car accident commercials, flood warnings on the news,

At 4 THEY ARE SO SUSEPTIBLE TO THESE

Try and turn off the TV at night and durring the day for atleast a week,
OR
Program his brain with positive secure things for the next week,

DO NOT acknowledge his fear,pretend it doesn exist,

And finally if he still insists get a dream catcher,
and take off his socks,

I told my oldest that if he wears socks to bed it makes bad dreams , and he believed me, and it worked, as long as he didn't have socks on he was bad dream free

THEN I used the dream cather read him a story abou them, catching his bad dreams, and it made him feel safe.

But Now that he is older I found it usually has to do with bad shows or commercial, argumets and things like that.

So try and figure out what the trigger is, and it will help

Good luck

M

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K.B.

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H.-
I have SO BEEN THERE!!!!
I don't have a lot of advice unfortunately, but I do want you to know that this is TOTALLY normal. My almost 6 year old went through the same thing. We even moved furniture around in her room to see where she would be more comfortable. In the long run, I found that leaving a low light on and playing soft music (make sure it will run all night)was the best solution. Part of her issue was that she fell asleep on the couch and I would take her into her room. Then if she woke int he middle of the night she was somewhat surprised at where she was. So we started going to bed when she was starting to nod off on the couch (usually very early). We owuld get into bed and read the book that came with her Glow-E bear. I know this is a bit of an advertisement, but it really worked for us. Glow_E BEARs are available at Wal-Mart and other stores. They light up with a magic wand or the squeeze of a hand. They are white and have rainbow colors in them. They are still soft and cuddly. There is a really nice story that goes with them about a little girl who was scared at night and didn't want to go to sleep, but this bear came and took her off to a magic land of the Northern Lights and she liked it there. anyhoo- you get the drift. It is a very soothing story and my daughter loves to sleep witht he bear because she can turn on the rainbow in the middle of the night if she needs to. Now that being said- I still get called out of bed in the middle of the night, but at least I can sleep from 11 ish to 4:30 before they get me now.

My 4 year old has also just recently started with it as well and I think he will be getting a Glow E bear soon.
The funny thing is- this morning I thought I was doing aerobics from about 4 am to 6 am. I got up every 5 minutes for one then the other. At least I am finally able to have a sense of humor about it.

Good luck! Steal sleep whenever you can because it might be a long ride!
-K.

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M.K.

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This may seem like an odd question/answer. If you are a christian, pray with him when he goes to bed. Make it fun but ask God to watch over him and keep him safe and feeling secure and let him know God will take care of him. My three year old daughter was having the same problem. She wouldn't even go into her room to sleep. Now she is fine. Something else that has helped in the past(we have 7 girls) is letting them pick three books to read but they have to stay in bed if they want to read. If he has to sleep with the light on, Its still a step in the right direction. We did that with one of ours too. Then changed to a 40watt bulb, then a night light. There is always something behind a fear like this. Could he have seem something scary on TV? COuld his sister have spooked him without knowing it. Little ones have amazing retention. My three year old saw the witch on Little Mermaid and it freaked her out. At last but not least -you won't like this one- is grab a sleeping bag and sleep in his room with him. Not forever,just to let him begin to see his room as a non threatening place. Does he have a super hero? Maybe you could buy a poster or blanket and have that in his room to help him feel safer. Good luck.

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S.M.

answers from Buffalo on

I guess your son probably gets so upset before he even goes down to bed because he is scared of what will happen. He probably had some scary dreams and now is afraid of going to sleep. It seems like those Freddy Kruger movies were on to something:) I have heard of two things that have worked for other people. One is the Super-nanny "Monster Spray." Just colored water in a spray bottle that keep away monsters (or you could call it Bad Dream Spray). You spray it all around your sons room before bed and play it up like it works really well. The other thing is putting an old tv remote next to your 4 yr. old's bed. When he has a bad dream, he needs to pick it up and change the channel so that bad dream doesn't come back or happen again. I hope one of these things works for you.

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S.C.

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OMG, I feel for you! I have been there with our 3yo (almost 4) DD. It was a phase back in the summer, when she was 3.5 and we tried a few different things to help her.

Could you try telling him that you or daddy has a new magical wand (ad lib here if you like) that scares away the "scaries" or the monsters or the noises etc? Maybe a magic spell in place of a bedtime prayer would be something he would like. Also, a night light or dimmer switch on our DD's ceiling light really helped her feel safe. A fan in her room (as you have done) also helped with noises.

How is the bedtime routine? Maybe a calming book instead of TV or a movie would be better? Our dd loves listening to music with us before bed, whether it's classical or contemporary, we just keep the genre/mood calm and instrumental. What do you do at bedtime to wind him down? Some people find TV to be a problem with calming, no matter the program.

Do whatever you can to make him feel safe in his bed and bedroom in general. If he gets scared in another part of the house, take him with you to his "safe room" to calm him down, maybe. Just some thoughts, and I wish you the best of luck with this!!

S.

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A.J.

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H. I feel fo you! My daughter was similar with her stubborn behavior.

She will be 6 soon and she is still high maintainence - but the crazy nighttime stuff did stop.

What eventually worked for her was a strict routine that never wavered. Not just your run of the mill bath, story, bed routine, but much more involved. For instance daddy would read a story to her - the same story every night for months. Then I came in and read her a different story - for months. Then we would turn out the light and cuddle. I'd ask about her day, what was her favorite, what was her least favorite, then we'd tell silly jokes, cuddle for 5 more minutes, kiss the magic bunny (he kept bad dreams away & kisses gave him power), another hug, another kiss, then as I walked out we give the sign for I love you, door left open, God bless, sweet dreams . . . EVERY NIGHT!

She needed to have this same exact routine every night. Yeah she would pop out of bed 2 or 3 times (and still does) after being tucked in, but she knew that after the 3rd visit mommy would get upset and she would go to bed and stay.

Kids love predictability and limits. Try giving a 30 minute quality routine but do not linger too long. This may take a while but it is crucial.

Just know that you are not alone and you are doing a great job as a mom!

A.

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K.R.

answers from New York on

My son did the same thing. We just got threw that stage. I'm not sure if you tried this but I just leave the light on all night. Not a night light, a regular light. I've tried turning it off in the middle of the night but he always seems to wake up and cry, so I keep it on all night.
K.

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