D.H. asks from Bear, DE on May 27, 2008
Seeking Input on Touchy Situation
We have neighbors around us, we all have young kids. I don't see much interaction going on between some of them, yet at some times I see some over at others' houses, including when one has company. My kids notice this and so do I. We never get invited. I don't see them over at each others' houses either. But come holiday weekends I see more of this. My husband has had to work a lot, especially on holidays, which often leaves me home with my kids, while others have company (from out of town?)and parties. It hurts to see neighbors at each others' parties, but know that we are never invited. We have invited some to birthday parties, but have not gotten any feedback. I'd like to know why, but do we approach our neighbors and ask why they never invite us over (tacky)? And ask if people don't want much to do with us because of how our son acts (loud and "different" at times (because of his conditions)? How can we handle this seeing us and or son get ignored or avoided? It hurts my husband, whether he's home or not, to be aware of this, yet he doesn't know what to do about it. He has sort of blamed me, saying that I'm the one who wanted to move so they could have more friends. (We have seen our kids play with neighbors, but when it comes to special occasions, we are overlooked). We really don't talk to some of our neighbors much and don't see them talking much either, yet they get invited. I don't want to have to go around "explaining" or son everywhere I go, yet I don't know if he's why we don't get invited. Conditions like those are hard to explain anyway, because either people understand, maybe understand but don't care, or they blame me for not disciplining enough. I know that life is challenging when he acts up, and it wears me out, yet I still get blamed for things-which doesn't help one bit.
Is feeling left out and kind of angry about it justified here? Or are we just taking things too personally? I'd like some answers from these neighbors. I get left asking "How did THEY get invited", while my kids wish they were over there too.
When people invite each other over, doesn't it ever occur to them that they may be making someone feel left out? Or would they just not want to admit that it's because of how our son acts? During holidays I can't just take the kids elsewhere to escape it, because not every place is open. Would some of you be asking "How did THEY get invited?" and feel hurt that you weren't?
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Although I welcome more responses, I just wanted to clarify that we have lived here about 4 years now. I may look into inviting some over for something. We have tried inviting kids around here to birthday parties, but either they've had other plans (which happens) or we haven't gotten any response. It's the neighbors who are closest to you who don't respond that hurts the most. Sometimes family live too far away, or we would get together more often, and sometimes holidays hurt lonely people that much more.
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D.T. answers from Philadelphia on May 28, 2008
If I were you and felt left out, I would invite the neighbors over to my house for a BBQ to get more "friendly" w/ them, then hopefully, you would get invited to more things w/ all of them.
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E.M. answers from Philadelphia on May 27, 2008
My suggestion would be to have a party yourself and invite all the neighbors...you could have an "end of the school year" party or organize a block party. This would be a great way to "break the ice" and start conversation. Then, maybe the next time, you'll be invited! Good luck.
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A.J. answers from Williamsport on May 28, 2008
OK, MAMA!
Here's what you need to do. You don't KNOW if it's because of your son's behavior, so remove that from your mind and proceed as if that is not the case.
You also should not take this personally, because even if these people are judging you, hate you, have looked up your personal background online and have decided you are not worthy to live in their neighborhood-that would be their problem not yours. Do not show a victimy self pitying outlook to your sons or even feel it for yourself. Not productive. Not healthy.
The ONLY thing you can do, is reach out old school style, like you wish other would do for you. People don't do that these days, but still like to have it done. Bake some cookies or buy some flowers and show up on the doorstep all like, "Hi, I know we've never really talked, but I wanted to introduce myself and say hello." Only a space alien would be rude to you after that. Get to know them and be warm, and have no return in mind for it, just do it, and don't complain if nothing happens, but I'm sure once you make contact, things will improve. Don't talk too much about your sons problems, be old fashioned and mention it lightly and briefly if something terrible happens at a meeting, but always say positive things about him. No one wants to start a heavy "problem" friendship with the complainer next door. This is also better for him. In time, you can get more deeply involved.
Birthday parties are usually more for people who you already know Well, so that may be why they didn't respond, regardless, don't be mad, just be nice. you don't know how long they've all known each other or why-don't bother speculating. Word will get around how nice you are once you've reached out.
We didn't reach out to any neighbors except an elderly lady across the street-I just walked right over with my daughter and started talking to her, and now we're very close. Then the "nutty" seeming neighbor to our left showed up one day with cockatoos to show us-and even though he's sort of a handful, we always talk when I see him. Meanwhile to our right, our groovy neighbors had deck parties all summer last year and we were never invited, but they didn't know us then. Why would they invite us? Last week she was having a yard sale, so I walked over and made a point to find out about her-we've lived here a year and i didn't know her name-LAME OF ME!!! They're very nice, and maybe this year we can butt in on their deck parties.
Take the high road! if you've reached out to everyone, and they all shun you, then move or be justified in your accusations, but I think it will all work out!
Good Luck! have fun. If you like them, they'll like you!
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C.M. answers from Philadelphia on May 28, 2008
I really dont know why you care about your neighbors so much... You have a child that is a handful, you know it, they know it...i dont mean to be harsh- i want to say get used to it... i have a son w/ADHD and went through the same kinda stuff- it gets better.....he is now 18 and has friends
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H.F. answers from Pittsburgh on May 28, 2008
Honestly, it does sound like you may be overreacting a little. You mentioned that you moved into the neighborhood a few years ago but you don't mention how long the neighbors who are included in each others parties have lived there.
You also said you don't see them talk. See this is the one statement that I looked at and thought, these other moms could be best friends and you might never see them interact. With today's technology and busy schedules, these Moms may make it a point to stay in contact mainly by computer or phone and to meet somewhere other than each other's houses for some Mommy time. It could be that they became friends before they ever had children. It might be that they are invited because of the friendship that the parents have NOT the kids.
Alternatively, it could be that you are being left out because they don't understand your sons problems. I don't know these women to tell you whether or not you are being paranoid. Maybe it is less your sons issues and more how you let them affect how you interact with others (if it does). Maybe your wary of letting others in because you don't want to share all of what is going on. Others might see that as you being standoffish, shy or just not interested in being friends. I know I have had (and sometimes still do) problems with being shy. I'm working on them. BUT I have refused to let then affect me the way they have my aunt. She doesn't really make new friends, never goes out other than to work, and has never dated anyone (she is in her 50s).
Whatever the reason, I do know that you (and your husband) seem to be feeling isolated. If you want to be included in your neighbors lives in the ways you speak about, then you need to do something. Invite them over for lunch or dinner. Ask them about something of theirs you've noticed or simply out to have a cup of coffee sometime. Remember, though, that it doesn't have to be the person next door that you meet and become friends with. You can find others in your area who you have more in common with (like the same books, foods, hobbies, movies, television shows, stores, etc.) See if there is a MOMS Club or similar group in your area where you can meet other moms who want to socialize and form friendships. Start a Moms group, Book Club or support group for parents of kids with Asperger's or Autism if you can't find something in your area that works for you.
The point I'm making is that if you want things to get better for you, you need to do something. I don't think these people have any idea that you are feeling left out. I think it is more likely that they are oblivious to the fact that you seem to feel or be left out. And don't be afraid or embarrassed to share that your son has problems. You don't have to share every detail but let them know he has Asperger's. It might just be a way to educate the others around you about Aspergers as well as allow them to see the diamond in the rough that your son is.
I guess what I'm saying is that maybe the situation is a combination of different circumstances. Your feelings are your own and it is never wrong to feel them. Maybe it is less about getting the kids together and more about getting the parents together. It is how you act on then that matters. You could bring things up with the neighbors in coversation, maybe something like, "I'm trying to put together a little party so that we can get to know the neighbors a little better. I was wondering if there is a weekend that might be good for you. And by the way, I noticed that so and so was at your house this past weekend/memorial day/whatever day, do you think they would come if I invited them?" Some of the things that have helped me or other friends socialize have been my book club and our MOMS Club has a Couples Dinner Club (where the MOMS and their spouses take turns hosting dinner once or twice a month).
Anyhow, I know I have rambled a bit BUT I hope that you find some comfort and help in my words. Good luck.
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T.B. answers from York on May 28, 2008
D.
I too have a son with ADHD and completely understand how you feel about being left out of situations. I also have a friend whose child has Aspergers as well. These children are such a gift from God. When people don't completely understand these disorders, they just concluded that these children are bad. What I had to do is realize that the people that treat you the way your neighbors are treating you is really not what you want in friends anyway. I understand that you have to look out the windows and see them all having a good time, but in all reality after all this time has passed would you really want to go over there? Find people from your church, support groups, etc. and make friends that you don't have to make excuses to for a friendship. Good luck!
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J.B. answers from Pittsburgh on May 28, 2008
I have a daughter with ADHD She is now 18 and she has become a beautiful young woman with a job and college classes.
She is my only girl I had four boys It can be hard
Friends seemed to come and go for her She did get two really close friends in high school and I think they will remain close. I wish that everyone that judges these kids had to take care of one for a month. Good Luck to you and your son.
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K.K. answers from Erie on May 27, 2008
I just wanted to comment on one part of what you said, "We really don't talk to some of our neighbors much and don't see them talking much either, yet they get invited. I don't want to have to go around "explaining" or son everywhere I go, yet I don't know if he's why we don't get invited. Conditions like those are hard to explain anyway, because either people understand, maybe understand but don't care, or they blame me for not disciplining enough. I know that life is challenging when he acts up, and it wears me out, yet I still get blamed for things-which doesn't help one bit."
Actually i guess i have 2 things to say, you might not see them talking because they do it over the phone and not necessarily standing out at the mail box. I don't know, or maybe they have older kids in boyscouts together and all talk there.
The bigger point i was going to make, is that while i agree that you don't have to explain yourself to random strangers in the grocery store, it might be helpful in this situation for your neighbors that you want to have a relationship with to know why your son is behaving the way he does. Yes maybe some people still might think there would be more you could do to discipline or what ever but I bet most of them would be more lenient of a kid with a diagnosis and teach their kids to be extra patient with them.
ADHD and Aspergers aren't like Downs syndrome or being blind where people can tell what the issue is. Why wouldn't they assume that the child was mean or moody or that the parent was spoiling them. I think in this situation you do need to get the word out and be an advocate for your son. Teach the other parents and kids what your son needs, or what triggers upset him. So that the interactions he has with these neighborhood kids are positive ones.
Lastly with Aspergers, isn't that mostly about not interacting normaly with others??? Does your son even want to play with these neighborhood kids??? I know as an adult if i don't think someone is interested in me i usually don't continue to "play with them" , it could be that the neighborhood kids think that your son doesn't LIKE THEM.
I really think the best thing for you to do is focus on your own relationships with your neighbors. Get a babysitter or call grandma to take the kids to a movie and invite one couples over for dessert or something where you can connect with out the kids. Then once you see where that takes you, you can do things to help built friendships between the kids.
I think someone else posted something else along these lines --- not all grown ups hit it off and not all kids are destined to be life long friends. You may need to look outside your neighborhood.
Good luck to you and your boys. Find things to do that make you happy.
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L.T. answers from Pittsburgh on May 27, 2008
I don't think you are taking things too personally. Being excluded is hurful, especially when it involves our children. I used to work for an agency that counseled children with behavioral issues, including ADHD and Aspergers. Many parents faced the same difficulties that you mention. Some of them found comfort in joining a support group (SAFE - Supporting Autism and Families Everywhere) and seeking out other parents who could understand their situation.
My son has leukemia and when he was first diagnosed nobody knew how to act. While he didn't have behavioral issues he often had low immunity so we had to be diligent in keeping him healthy. That meant one Christmas without relatives, no trips with him to the grocery store during flu season, etc. For the first 6 or 8 months we were not invited to any family functions on my husband's side. It was very hurtful for us. We decided my husband would confront them. He learned that they weren't inviting us because #1) they figured we wouldn't come, #2) they didn't want to put us in a difficult position (should we attend or not) and #3) they didn't want us to feel bad if we couldn't attend. As much as we appreciated them trying to spare our feelings, it hurt more to not be included. We told them we would rather be included and have the freedom to make the decision that was best for us. Since that time, depending on the situation, sometimes we decline, sometimes my husband or I will take my daughter and sometimes we all attend. We do what is best for that day. Some of your neighbors might be like my husband's family and may be doing what they think is in your best interests.
It is also possible that your son's issues cause them to be uncomfortable. If there are any parents that you are particulary close to, you could sit down and have a discussion, asking them the questions that you want answers to. Just be prepared that you might not like the answers you get. A different approach would be to invite them and their children over for smaller gatherings. Get closer to them, let them see how well your son can do, let them get comfortable being around him. That may or may not lead to being included by the larger group, but at least you may gain some better friends among your neighbors.
How about family? Do you have family nearby that you can turn to?
I wish you luck in choosing how to handle your situation.
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