K.M. asks from Sacramento, CA on August 29, 2008
Seeking Help from Any Mom Regarding Homework
My 9-year old & I had a homework hell week. The transition from the coddled 3rd grade to "you are responsible for everything" 4th grade has been the worst homework experience I've ever had -- including my own when I went to school. The teacher has not been the most organized in her weekly plan and my daughter is overwhelmed with left-over work from school on top of her homework, leaving us with two to three hours a night working on problems. According to my daughter, she's not finishing her daily schoolwork for two reasons: She stresses out over the fact the teacher gives them a time limit to complete a whole lot of problems; and the kids around her talk a lot.
We both have been so stressed out from this mess that we both have been crying. The teacher seems oblivious to the fact that her students are just kids and need time to play after school, as well. Her school ends at 4:00, I pick her up from day care between 5:00-5:30 and then its dinner, schoolwork, shower and bed. Does anyone have any solutions that might help us/her manage our time better and not be so stressed?
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So What Happened?™
Thank you to everyone who has responded. I no longer feel so all alone out here!
Just to let you know, I received a lot of great advice and here's what's happened to date...
I wrote a note to the teacher letting her know 2+ hours of homework is too much for my daughter and I. I asked the teacher to call me. She didn't BUT she wrote a note to me stating that she talked to my daughter and found out the kids around her are talking too much and she'll move my daughter today.
The teacher is very much aware that my daughter understands the assignments and is quite capable of completing the work; however, I think (as was mentioned in one of the responses) the time limit thing is stressing her. Also, she had oooooonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnneeeeeeeee llllllaaaaaaaasssssssstttttt assignment that needed to be done over the weekend and I DID divide it into chunks. When my daughter saw how fast she could get it done, she just finished it in no time at all.
So, with all of these other tactics taken, we'll see what happens from here on out. I beleive tomorrow night is "Back-to-School" night, I'll be touching bases with the teacher then.
Again, thank you all!!! I really much appreciate it!!
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J.M. answers from Fresno on September 03, 2008
The only thing I can think of is to do the home work after dinner, but try to make it fun. I know the kids now get a tremendous amount of homework. Maybe you can talk to the teacher about it and if she doesn't help you out you could talk to the principle. Have you talked to other parents in the class? Are they having the same problems. Maybe you could get together with a few of them and come up with a solution.
Good luck
J.
J.P. answers from San Francisco on August 30, 2008
Sounds like you need to have a meeting with the teacher. I would include the principal too. Without some sort of resolution this could be the start of a down hill spiral. Also you should see if she can start doing some of her homework at daycare, it could help to start earlier when she is not so tired. Good luck.
J.H. answers from Sacramento on August 30, 2008
Didn't read the suggestions, but mine is:
1. After school while you're preparing dinner she sits at the counter or table nearby you and finishes incomplete work from the day.
2. Go to bed a little earlier and wake up earlier in the morning to finish homework before going to school that morning.
3. Ask the teacher to modify homework only for her to complete every other problem until she gets into the swing of things.
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A.A. answers from San Francisco on August 29, 2008
I can COMPLETELY relate to your experience. My kids had the same problem and what we worked out with the teacher was to do at least half of the homework given (evens or odds), more if there was more time. I also was very involved with watching over getting the homework done there was no worry of slacking off.
Another tactic to ease some of the pressure is to have her do it in bite size chunks and give her a 5 - 10 minute break after each chunk. Regular weekly or daily incentives for good work done are helpful as well. We had a "Reward Wheel" with co-created rewards on it that the girls could earn each week if they had done well with their homework.
One last tidbit, my daughters also had a hard time with staying focused in class. I would remind my girls that the more they got done in class, the less they had to do at home and the more play time they would have. The unfortunate reality in public schools is that they are struggling to maintain order and uphold "No Child Left Behind" mandates with not nearly enough resources to do it with. My girls are now in private school as a result.
2 - 3 hours of homework is WAY TOO much time for her. I'm sure if you talked to the teacher she would agree and she should be able to work with you on finding some creative solutions.
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P.B. answers from Sacramento on August 31, 2008
Hi K.,
Sorry to hear this is such a trying time. It is a big change from 3rd to 4th grade, also from 5th to 6th. My daughter is now a freshman in High School and pretty much skating through school right now. But I remember how difficult it was to transition from grade to grade.
Sounds like you need to speak to the teacher and then the principal, if the first option doesn't help. Also, ask about tutoring after school on the school grounds for areas she has difficulty with. As PTA Secretary I would think you might get a better response than some parents. I volunteered every week, several times a week in class and in the office at my daughter's Elementary School and it really helped when I had a problem. Use your clout if you have to. I was 37 when my only baby was born, so we "older" mom's have to stick together! Hope this helps!
Patti b
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J.I. answers from Bakersfield on August 30, 2008
I think this is a good teaching opportunity for you to show your daughter what to do when life does this to us... and keep in mind that the transition to being responsible is a gradual one...so it is okay for you to help her at this time. Not help her do her homework, but help her manage it. Meet with her and the teacher. Request a different seat, wherever your daughter has worked best in the past. Front row, side, wherever. Tell the teacher what you wrote in your letter here. Try that with better home management. No more crying! This teaches her that all is out of your control. (Just trying to emphasize that you have choices.) At home, make a special homework zone. A time and place that you do bills, write letters, etc. and she does her homework. Teach her to do it in pieces, with rewards half way through. Give a time limit to try this, then if there is no improvement, transfer her to another class. Ask the vice principal for advice or someone else at school if you need to. But definitely the teacher first. You will do fine together.
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M.H. answers from Sacramento on August 29, 2008
Hi K.-
Have you discussed this with her teacher yet? If not, you really need to. Maybe if her teacher is aware of it, she can help in some way. I know that my daughter's (she's in 2nd grade) teachers have always told us parents to be sure to let them know if the workload is too much for our children - that they need to know that sort of information. One thing she (the teacher) could do right away is make sure the kids in class quiet down during class work time. Any way, I really do think it's very important that you discuss this with her teacher. There is no reason you and your dauhter should have to stress so much over this. I'm sure there will be a solution if you work with your daughter and her teacher. Good luck.
M.
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A.A. answers from San Francisco on August 30, 2008
I have a 9-year old in the Cupertino school system and the first day of school the principal shared his belief in as little homework as possible. He said to talk to him directly if a teacher is giving a good amount. Assuming you've ruled out learning disabilities I would address this with the teacher and then the principal if it's not a universal approach as an entire school. I worked at a school with certain teachers that were giving hours of homework. After parents shared their concerns with the principal he made sure to implement a new policy with all teachers. Good luck!
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V.T. answers from Redding on August 29, 2008
Changes in state and federal performance standards for schools have put undue stress on teachers and administrators to drive achievement in students. However, many studies have been done on the subject of "how much is too much" homework (here's a link to a great one that you might share with your daughter's teacher and school principal: http://www.dukenews.duke.edu/2006/03/homework.html). Essentially, the most common recommendation is the 10-minute rule: 10 minutes of homework per grade, so in 4th grade your daughter should be doing no more than 40-minutes of homework.
As far as the disruption in the class goes, I would certainly discuss it with the teacher. Part of her role is to maintain a classroom environment that is conducive to learning. Perhaps she can separate the kids who are causing the disruption or move your daughter to another work space that affords her less distraction from the other kids.
Don't let it slide, though ... this is the time that your daughter is really getting her basic educational foundation. The more frustrated she gets the less excited she will be about continuing her educational path.
Good luck!
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V.G. answers from San Francisco on August 30, 2008
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S.E. answers from San Francisco on August 30, 2008
I'm a fourth grade teacher and it is the age of independence, but not all at once. Children grow into it. Some earlier than others.
If I were your child's teacher, I would want to hear for your child about what is happening and work with her to make a plan. If she told me her seat mates were talking all the time, I'd ask her where she thought a better seat might be and see I agreed.
I would also ask that we try the seat change before modifying homework. If the seat change didn't improve it enough, I'd offer that her work can come in on Monday, not Friday, so she could have the weekend to do some work. I would help her prioritize what was most important to have done during the week.
If success was not yet there, I'd cut down the amount of work. For example, if she showed she had mastery of a math concept after completing 10 of the 30 problems given, I'd ask her to do 10. (In my class, the children complete as much as they feel they need to complete to show mastery.....95% or greater on a unit test. No mastery=go back do all the work. They quickly become proficient at doing what they need to do and a little more just to be sure. Some check in with me after 4 or 5 problems to show me they get it and then move on to the next concept.)
I say your daughter needs to talk to the teacher. Help her create a list of talking points listed in order of importance. If homework wouldn't be a problem if there wasn't classwork on top of it, have her say so.
Good luck,
Stephanie
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