H.J. asks from Saint Paul, MN on October 10, 2011
Schooling Poll...Please Take If You Would
1. Do you have a bachlors degree and if so do you make more then $50,000 with that degree a year?
2. Does your hubby have a bachlors degree and if so does he make more then $50,000 with that degree a year?
3. Do you have an associates degree? Do you make more or less than $35,000 a year?
4. Do you have a technical degree and make less than $35,000 a year.
5. Do you have high school degree or less and make over $35,000 a year?
Plaese answer if you would...as we debate more in our family on whether we want to further our education. As I watch my classmates with bachlors degree even some with two bachlors degree and still no job 5 years after college I begin to wonder what is going on...I have friends who never even finished school who are in better positions to those will full 4 year schooling.
If you don't feel like answering that is fine...
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A.L. answers from Chicago on October 10, 2011
I work in HR and honestly right now it is all about experience rather than education. Companies want people who can jump in without a lot of training and there are ample people out there with the experience. Education is a plus, but the experience is what we are looking for, at least in my experience.
That being said I have a bachelor's degree and make over 50K, but that is due to experience I think rather than education.
My husband has an associates, a bachelor's, a master's, and a Law Degree and makes over 50K but he is not doing what he wants to do and is miserable in his job. He timed all of his schooling wrong and has not been able to use his mater's or law degree because of the economy.
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K.W. answers from Cedar Rapids on October 12, 2011
I have a bachelors degree, but it is in music education so the pay was only about $25,000-$30,000 a year. Now I'm a SAHM.
My husband has a masters in computer engineering and makes around $80,000 a year.
I think education is a good thing, but it depends on the field more than the degree. Even if I got a masters or higher in music education, I would never make as much as my husband and it might actually make me "too expensive" for some schools to hire because they would have to pay me based on my higher education and they'd rather save money and get a first-year teacher than shell out the money for someone with experience. Sad but true.
K.R. answers from Minneapolis on October 11, 2011
Bachelor's and master's degree, make more than $50,000.
DH has law degree, makes quite a bit more than I do.
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C.M. answers from Chicago on October 10, 2011
I think it totally depends on what field you are furthering your education in.
In my field, a writer with a bachelor's degree makes no more than one with a master's. It's all about your portfolio.
My husband has his GED. He owns his own business.
I have a bachelor's degree and I'm not using it.
My brother's girlfriend has a master's and she wants to get her doctorate. She makes about 35k a year.
It's not about the education. It's about what you're going to do with it, and whether the person who is hiring you cares about your education or your actual skills more.
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T.C. answers from Colorado Springs on October 10, 2011
I do not have a degree. I am a SAHM and I own my own business. What I make directly reflects the amount of time I put into it. (This is not a party-selling type of company. I actually own the company.)
My husband has a Master's. He does make more than $50K. He retired from the AF, so his pension is nearly that much alone. He also runs a non-profit (not a lot of $, but so worth it for the joy of the work), and does some consulting work (owns his own company) on the side, which pays well.
My son is 19. He is an entrepreneur. He chose not to do college because he felt it would waste the time he could be using building his business. He does very well, and is very happy with his decision.
I think the amount you make really depends on the specific person, not as much on the degree. Someone who is a go-getter will tend to do well with whatever path they take. We know degreed people with no jobs, non-degreed people with fabulous incomes. We see people with initiative make more than the unemployed person who is afraid to try something new. They will only look for something within their narrow,specific field. But, others will ditch a bad idea (or badly timed idea), and jump on a new one and make $200K + per year at the new idea. They are not working for someone else, only for themselves. It takes motivation, ingenuity, daring, confidence. And effort. For those waiting for the phone to ring, they will never do very well financially. You've gotta have guts and drive.
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S.J. answers from Milwaukee on October 11, 2011
I have a Master's degree and make more than $50,000/yr. My husband has three years of college (and did not graduate) and makes less than half my salary. In my opinion, you cannot go wrong with more education. Regardless of the money, education improves your well-being and that of your children. Studies have shown that the more education you have, the more success your children will have, both academically and financially.
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A.L. answers from Chicago on October 10, 2011
I work in HR and honestly right now it is all about experience rather than education. Companies want people who can jump in without a lot of training and there are ample people out there with the experience. Education is a plus, but the experience is what we are looking for, at least in my experience.
That being said I have a bachelor's degree and make over 50K, but that is due to experience I think rather than education.
My husband has an associates, a bachelor's, a master's, and a Law Degree and makes over 50K but he is not doing what he wants to do and is miserable in his job. He timed all of his schooling wrong and has not been able to use his mater's or law degree because of the economy.
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S.W. answers from Minneapolis on October 10, 2011
There is research that has been done to give you true numbers for these questions. The Mamapedia group is not a valid sample of the effect of schooling on income. There are too many variables to sort out our individual situations.
Here is a report on those number, the graphs make the numbers pretty easy to understand: http://www.collegeboard.com/prod_downloads/press/cost05/e...
I am currently PhD ABD (All but Dissertation). In the 12 years I was working full-time with a master's degree, my income ranged from $50,000 to $101,000 plus benefits and bonuses (up to 20%), and sometimes stock options.
I have also known several people with little or no college who were in the same positions I was in, or they were my Directors. Their experience, skills, personal traits, and professional connections allowed them to succeed to that level. I also know people with MBAs and Master's degrees that have been out of professional work now for several years, and scraping by with whatever work they can find (driving a Fed Ex truck, for example).
What's going on is - the worst economy and highest unemployment rate we've had since the Great Depression. Corporations, and even factories, that require more and more specialized training and experience to even be considered for hire.
Schooling can be a great asset, but "it depends". The state of MN has a great webite, www.iSeek.org that shows you the estimated demand for various types of work into the future, the required education for that job, and which schools offer that education. I recommend it highly as a resource in making career and education decisions.
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V.B. answers from Miami on October 10, 2011
I'm not sure how relevant this info will be since I graduated college 15 years ago and grad school 10 years ago, but here goes:
1. I have a bachelor's degree and an MBA and made much more than that when I quit working nearly 6 years ago to be a SAHM.
2. Hubs has a bachelor's degree (no graduate studies yet) and, again, makes well over $50k. However, he also has 10 years of experience in his industry and is highly respected among his peers.
I think this info is fairly irrelevant to your situation since the job market is so much different now than it was 10 years ago. I think you should understand that just because a degreed professional may not command a high salary now, doesn't mean that their degree is worth any less. When the market recovers and companies begin to hire once again, they will likely be looking for degreed professionals, so it can never hurt to have completed an advanced degree. That being said, there is also something to be said for industry experience (depending on what industry you work in) and sometimes those employees who have "been around the block" know way more than a college graduate walking through the door with no experience. It is a balance and companies have to weigh education and experience. There are simply some jobs that require a degree and a company likely won't look at your resume or grant you an interview without one. There are also times when experience is more important and someone with years of industry knowledge are highly valued. I would suggest that you do some research in your particular field or area of study that you would pursue a degree in and try to determine if it is worth it for you at this time. If it would require quitting a job you already have to return to school, you may not want to do that at this point. It may be better to continue to garner experience and either do online or night classes and get your degree while you're still working. Anyway, I'm rambling now, but since I don't know what line of work you're in, I couldn't tell you which is the better scenario for you. I wish you the best. Hope this was helpful.
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T.F. answers from Dallas on October 10, 2011
I think it depends on your field of study and your personal drive and work ethic.
Plenty of people have no more than a HS diploma but the drive and will to make things happen and they do. Plenty of college grads think jobs will be handed to them because they are a college grad. It is simply MUCH MUCH more than a degree or diploma.
As to your survey:
1. Yes , 4 yr degree and well over the numbers you listed per year
2. Yes 4 yr degree plus MBA and well over your numbers per year
We are driven, failure is not an option. We started our own company and have lived off of it for 3 yrs now. We are in a very technical industry (raw materials) with yearly sales over 3 million. We broker materials, consult manufacturers, etc.
Before we started our company, hubby was in the same industry for many years. We knew the ins and outs of the business, the networking and how to make things happen. We financed our company with OUR money, no bank loans, etc.
We are believers in delayed gratification, living below your means and no debt. It would have been very easy to justify a summer home, and more extravagant lifestyle than we live and can afford but we chose to save the money instead and now we are reaping benefits from those decisions.
As for our 16 yr old daughter... college is not an option. She is like us, very driven, knows what she wants and works to achieve it. She is currently shopping colleges and Duke is at the top of her list. We started shopping colleges last year at 15 yrs old. AND, as our personal responsibility, she is fully funded for college... where ever she wants to go. Her job is to get out there and do well is school, come out of college with no debt and carry on success.
A lot of it is a mindset. Some people are ok living just ok. We always strive for the best. We are mid 6 figures
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D.B. answers from Charlotte on October 10, 2011
Rather than just answer all your questions, I would point out that the degree gets you into the door with positions that pay more money. Without the degree, you don't get a chance with all the competition out there. My husband is an excellent example - with a bachelor's degree, he was certainly employable, but could only move up to a certain point. He knew that without getting his masters degree, he would not be able to move up into a higher executive band. And THAT'S what makes all the difference. That's what in the total aggregate distinguishes middle class salaries from the upper middle class and beyond, including benefits and perks.
I have a bachelor's degree and would have made just under the $50,000 mark if I had stayed in my work field. If I had gone into my degree field, I would be making that or a little above if I had stayed in the work force. I am home instead by choice after living overseas for my husband's career.
Truth is, it is a hard economy with or without the college education. But a lot harder without, especially if the economy continues this way.
When your classmates didn't find a job after graduation, going into the Peace Corps or going overseas to teach English or do something that they could put on their resumes would have been far better than whatever they did to pass the time. (You did say no job, so I take it seriously that you really mean no job.) And it's possible to get a college degree a less expensive way than going and living at a college - my husband got his master's living at home with me, and using a master's in finance program at the university in our city because it allowed him to still work and take the classes at night. Most of the students there (large public university) were adults who worked in banking and the like already.
Good luck in your decision.
D.
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