L.S. asks from Newnan, GA on August 18, 2010
Saying No to Vit K, Hep B, and Eye Ointment at Delivery...
I was wondering who of you have said no to your newborn receiving Vitamin K, Hep B Shot, and the eye ointment right after delivery. I will be giving birth naturally in a hospital with a midwife. Will they most likely give me a hard time for not wanting these shots, or should I be ok?
Also, do any of you wait to give your children vaccinations until they are older?
I have done lots of research on how the eye ointment is not needed... only if you have gonorrhea or chlyamydia. It actually causes the baby to go blind for a period of time and doesn't allow the baby to see. This can affect when you are first starting to breast feed. As with Vitamin K... this is the one I'm not completely against. But, apparently if you leave the child's umbilical cord uncut until it stops pulsating, then they will get all of the essential vitamins they need. Too many practitioners cut it right away. Also, if breastfeeding, the mother will transfer over enough vitamin K. With Hep B, I am just extremely against any kind of vaccination early in life when the child is starting to develop. The Hep B vaccine is connected with autism and other developmental issues because it is done so early. I will definitely be saying no to any vaccinations. Our culture is so obsessed with them, when they really are not needed.
A.S. answers from Denver on August 18, 2010
I said no. No need for Hep B, no need for Vit K no need for the ointment from the research I did. I wrote it down and handed it to the birthing team. They respected my wishes. GL!!
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M.C. answers from Washington DC on August 18, 2010
I can see saying no to the Hep B, although I didn't even think about it, but why say no to the vitamin K and especially the eye ointment to help avoid eye infections?
M.R. answers from Columbus on August 18, 2010
Of course they will give you a hard time, they are medical profesionals. Have you considered home birth? You can DIY at home much more easily than you can at the hospital, and as long as there are law suits, you will be presured to follow standard medical procedures. Expect to sign a lot of release documents refusing medical advice. I went to the hospital with a card saying that I refused amnio, could not check in without it.
Vacines do not cause autism, no matter when they are administerd, you are mistaken about the veracity of what you have read. As a mother of two autisic children, I choose not to put my confidence in research and advice from the learned playboy centerfolds, but do as you wish.
You have a 1 in 150 chance of having a child with autism, and that chance is 1 in 99 if it is a boy. If you want to take control of this risk, do not have children. You cannot prevent this from happening to your child, it may have already happened. All the credible research indicates that it is most likely that autism is genetic, that is why there are so many of us form whom this is a family problem and why we particpate in the genetic studeis for siblings with autism; we are in good, huge company. Frankly, nothing conclusive, sans the identification of genes responsible for some ASD's has come out of any research, but certianly, your statement is not true, and that is news that you should rejoice in.
The good news about that is that you won't have to blame yourself for what you failed to do to prevent autism, or that you did wrong that caused it if you end up walking in the shoes of those of us who have autistic children. Not only that, but you can vacinate your children against the horrible killer deseases that are as much as fogotten today in our society, due to vaccination, because this has not been shown to be a cause any more than anything else you could find that is different about our world than was common years ago.
Walk through any 100 or 200 year old grave yard. The multiple very tiny head stones should give you pause. We live in a time where we expect our children and ourselves to survie birth, childhood, and far into adulthood without any life threatening ordeals. As someone who is into research, why do you think this is the case? Is that good or bad? Should we go back to that very natural expectation that nearly half of all children born to you two centruies ago would die and that you very likely could die during birth too?
You and I and everyone who is alive in our country today has benefited from modern medicine including widespread vacines. Most of us live long lives, and if you really want to come up with a coincidental cause for why some ailments, like autism, are more prevalant now, you must count the enormous variable that the vast majority of all births are live, and infant mortality is very low in this country. I can tell you this, after walking through a historic home very recently, there would be no way for either one of my autistic children to have survived childhood in a home with an open fire. Even if either one of them had survied birth and infancy (they would have died; nursing is a motor skill they could not master because they were autistic when they were born) I would not have been able to perfom the daily domestic work necessary to keep the rest of my family and myself alive, if I were caring for these two children and watching their every move and keeping them safe from the daily hazards of living outside a modern safe world. So take your pick, death as a newborn, death by fire, death because our whole family starved for lack of good domestic practice, but death before anyone could possibly have noticed that they had autism. We live in a time when children like mine live.
There are some real benefits to modernity. That you live in a modern world actually gives you the freedom to reject it. Think about it.
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C.G. answers from Davenport on August 18, 2010
Vaccines are not needed? I'm guessing my neighbor who is crippled because he had polio as a child would disagree. Have you been tested negative for gonorrhea or chlamydia? Many of these STD's stay silent in women, so unless you have been tested or you and your husband have never had any other partners, you can not be 100% sure. I would say temporary blurred vision from an ointment, beats permanent blindness in a newborn. Our culture is obsessed with vaccines because they prevent death and serious health issues.
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T.J. answers from Seattle on August 18, 2010
Have the people who do give these things done their research?! It's usually the moms questioning it that do a ton of studying before making their decision, not just going with what someone else says is best. There are choices!
I did vitamin k and eye ointment because I didn't research it first, and even now vitamin k I would probably do. But NO WAY on hep b! I signed the forms before labor and they put it in big letters on my chart. My friend had an emergency c-section and they gave it to her baby while she was out of it, so make sure it's noted ahead of time!
My children have not had any vaccinations to date, I will do tetanus (dt only) at some point, because there is no cure for tetanus. They were exposed to whooping cough by two close relatives, had a fever and runny nose but never got the cough! Even our ped (an MD!) says how healthy my kids are! They eat well, get dirty outside, wash with soap and water, take vitamins and probiotics, elderberry when they have a cold, and are seen regularly (at least once a month) by a chiropractor, more if sick or if they fall. Only one ear infection to date, we did do antibiotics but also chiropractic and she was better in a day.
These are hard choices, but only you can decide what's best for your child and family! My favorite website is www.thedoctorwithin.com, his book is called the sanctity of human blood. Dr sears vaccine book has good information on a delayed or alternate schedule. Good luck!
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L.M. answers from Dover on August 18, 2010
My children have always gotten ALL of the recommended vacinnes since birth! I suggest you discuss with your doctor.
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B.K. answers from Chicago on August 18, 2010
One small thought, as Martha pretty much said everything you need to hear -- consider at least getting the pertussis vaccine. Pertussis is on a comeback, and it kills babies. I have a friend who recently had it, and she's a grown adult and it almost killed her. There are some things in modern medicine we need to be thankful for. Keeping our babies alive and healthy is one thing modern medicine has done very well. I live near a graveyard, and there are many, many turn-of-the-century babies and toddlers buried there. That was before vaccines. Now everybody go read Martha's post again.
And eye ointment isn't done at our hospital anymore. Maybe it's a regional thing.
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R.G. answers from Dallas on August 18, 2010
We said no to the hep shot and just stated that our pedi would be handling all vaccinations, they didn't give us any trouble at all. We also waited till 1.5 to have any vaccines done and we only do certain ones. The only trick to that is finding a doctor who respects your wishes and that can be difficult. I met with several before I delivered until I found one I really liked. You may search on line, I think Dr. Sears web site has a link for such into. Best of luck!
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H.V. answers from Cleveland on August 18, 2010
Did you steal this from me?!?! :)
I'm 38wks pregnant and have been going back & forth about this too.
I know for a fact NO HEP B for my kids. Vit K i'm not too sure about...
Check out www.drtenpenny.com
She also has a Facebook that is FULL of awesome info on vaccinations and all that.She actually just posted some info on the Vit K shot too.
Oh and on her website she has legal forms you can have printed out to take with you to the hospital that state you DO NOT want Hep B, Vit K etc.
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L.K. answers from Austin on August 18, 2010
I have 3 girls. None of them have had any of that stuff. The first was born in the hospital. I told them I would not consent to the vitamin K, eye ointment or Hep. B shot. They simply brought me refusal forms and had me sign them. No grief what so ever. The other 2 were homebirths so no problems at all. If they do start to give you a hard time calmly state you have done your research and you will not be persuaded to change your mind and to please bring you the refusal forms to sign. If they try to bully you or threaten you or tell you they will call CPS tell them to go ahead, that the law states you have the right to say no to anything. If they try the tactic of "well the law has changed," tell them you need to see the law book where it states as such.
Also, I do not vaccinate my children. Never had a problem. I live in Texas so they have an exemption form you fill out for school. Your state probably has a similiar form.
P.S. Some of the other responses asked why you would say no to the eye ointment because it prevents infections. The ONLY infections it is for are chlamydia and gonorrhea so if you don't have either of these there is no reason for the ointment.
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