N.D. asks from Wakefield, MA on August 24, 2008
"Racism at Four?"
Hi Moms,
My family and I went on a cruise to Bermuda. Most of the staff on board were
from the Phillipines. When my friend asked my four year old daughter, Eva, how the trip was
she replied in a sort of complaining voice, "Well, there were a lot of black
people." Needless to say, we never would say anything like that. We never
commented on the staff other than to say how great they were. They were
particularly sweet to Eva. I had been out of earshot at the time, but I heard
my friend tell her that that was not very nice. I don't know exactly how to
handle this. I haven't talked to Eva about it yet because I want to make sure
she really gets it before she says something in front of people who would be
offended and assume that my husband and I are horrible people and parents.
I would appreciate any feedback and any similar experiences.
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Most people write that they are amazed by all of the great responses and I am no different. Many of you commented that because she is four, she is observing and not judging...great point! I also want to say that I will use this as an opportunity to teach her about tact and especially about the differences that make us all special(corny, but very true!). You moms are fantastic!
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K.M. answers from Boston on August 28, 2008
I think explaining it from some people use different words. A long time ago people used "black people and White people" but now that use use Americans if you are from america and Chinese if you are from China. But there are lots of different varieties. From a 4 year old if they saw a black kitten, they would not call it a american short hair, they would just call it a black cat. So she is not prejuduce. Just observant. We need to guy them to see that some people are different but it makes them feel bad if we say it, so we dont when it come to people
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J.T. answers from Boston on August 26, 2008
Kids really do say the darndest things!My almost5 yr old asked his father if he was going to be having a baby because his belly was big like mine when I had a baby in there...lol.
I actually had a small problem with him a few months ago. I had a friend come over to help with some work and he happens to be a 6'2 black man. My 4 yr old was very wierd with him. When he left my son says "why was that bad man here?" I said"what bad man?" He said" the black guy" in shock I asked why he was bad and my son answered" because the black guy is always bad in star wars".......soooooo. He goes to a great preschool and is friends with everyone but the teacher had noticed he was acting wierd to one of his friends.....well we understood why when he said this....all the bad guys in movies and video games are in black or dark colors so he just took it from what he saw...
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J.E. answers from Boston on August 26, 2008
Hi N.,
I honestly think that you are making a big deal out of nothing. She didn't comment by saying the "n" word or anything that was "inapporpriate." She simply made an observation and I highly doubt she was trying to be malicious about it. If you perfer her to say African American, just let her know that, but it's really not that big of deal. Kids will slip up every now and again and leave us completely mortified by their sayings or behavior, but you've got to move on because this was really nothing huge. I doubt that any of the staff if they heard her would have taken offense to that either...she is 4, give her a little slack. Good luck.
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J.E. answers from Boston on August 26, 2008
Hi N.,
I honestly think that you are making a big deal out of nothing. She didn't comment by saying the "n" word or anything that was "inapporpriate." She simply made an observation and I highly doubt she was trying to be malicious about it. If you perfer her to say African American, just let her know that, but it's really not that big of deal. Kids will slip up every now and again and leave us completely mortified by their sayings or behavior, but you've got to move on because this was really nothing huge. I doubt that any of the staff if they heard her would have taken offense to that either...she is 4, give her a little slack. Good luck.
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A.M. answers from Providence on August 26, 2008
Did you ask her WHY she said it? She is four, she was probably noticing that the people there looked different than her and that SHE was the "odd one out", and it bothered her. (Hence the "complaining" voice)
Only other thing I can think of is that she was repeating something she heard someone say. After all you said you were out of earshot so maybe the people that heard her say said something to make her think about the fact that there are more black than white people at the place where she is vactioning.
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T.S. answers from Boston on August 26, 2008
I doubt that it is racism, it was probably a simple observation about what made the trip different from being at home - and your friend projected adult bias into a small child's observation (does she have young children?). You didn't witness the tone so can you be really sure that it was a "complaining" voice? I ask because when we made a trip to the bahamas a few years ago when my daughter was about 5 she made the comment that there were sure a lot of black people around and did any white people live there or did they just visit? this in the cab from the airport to the hotel! - my sister and the other adults were mortified, afraid that the taxi driver might be offended and my daughter didn't understand why - she was observing the scene and commenting. I whispered to her that talking about peoples race made some people uncomfortable and she was incredulous - "They're not different from us as people mom, they just have different skin color - like you and i have different color eyes. why can't i say what I see?"
Even though you are raising her without prejudice it could very well be that she doesn't see a lot of people that don't look like her and that this difference was a significant part of her trip! no underlying racial prejudice, just that at 4 she probably hasn't had a great deal of exposure to children or people of other races! I wouldn't read too much into it.
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D.B. answers from Boston on August 26, 2008
It's possible that she was just stating what she observed, and that the adults who heard it assumed a level of disdain that she didn't intend. Perhaps she was also noticing a distinct accent among the people, not just a difference in skin color.
You might start by explaining that people come in all colors and with all kinds of features. Note that cruise ships often fly a particular flag and hire crews from the same area, which would increase the likelihood of many people from one particular group of people.
Teach her the right words - Black or African American (or African), Latino, Pacific Islanders, Asian (and there are many subdivisions there, such as the Indian subcontinent), Native Americans & Inuit, and teacher her what she is - Caucasian. Then point out height differences among people, differences in hair color, people who get around on 2 legs vs people who use a chair, etc.
Teach her that the definition of who is "different" varies by where you are. She might be in the majority here, but what if she went to Kenya or Nigeria? How about all those Caucasians who were in the distinct minority during the Beijing Olympics? I am Jewish and part of a very small minority, but if I went to Israel, I'd be part of the majority. If you notice her reacting to people who don't speak English or who speak with an accent, ask her to imagine being in that person's country - Guatemala, or Brazil, or Korea, and trying to order a happy meal! Use whatever examples you think she can handle. Then take opportunities OVER TIME to reinforce this - you won't accomplish it all in 5 minutes. If you have a globe and can spin in while you identify a handful of countries, it might help her visualize it.
Then show her a box of 64 crayons and note that no 2 are alike. Then give her one crayon, perhaps a light tan color, and tell her that is the only color she is allowed to use. See if she can figure out, with your help, that a rainbow of colors in the box is no less interesting than a rainbow of colors in people.
People will not judge YOU by what your child says, but by how you handle it.
Good luck!
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L.B. answers from Portland on August 26, 2008
Hi N.,
Are you sure that it was a "complaint" rather than an observation? I can't imagine a 4 yr old acquiring a racist attitude if they have not seen it demonstrated somewhere. Maybe she saw something on television. Did you ask her why she said that? I would just reinforce the fact that having different color skin is no different than having different color eyes or hair.
L. in Harpswell, ME
Mom of 3 homegrown and 1 beautiful brown skinned Haitian boy
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C.B. answers from Boston on August 26, 2008
Hi N.... My first concern is, believe it or not, your friend's reaction. What's "not very nice" about commenting that there were a lot of black people?
What concerns me is that it seems to be human nature for us to jump to conclusions and think for everyone else. And here is a perfect example.
My thought is that a better reaction would be to live in inquiry with your daughter. Explore it. She might have a very different reason for what she said that anyone has made up about it.
So instead of immediately chastising her for making a comment (that, if we knew the thoughts behind it, might have been totally innocent), your friend simply inquired as to what she meant by that.
We can learn so much by suspending judgement and asking questions instead.
And those questions can lead to a conversation and in that conversation, there will be an opportunity for you to teach tolerance (and geography... and geneology... and kindness and compassion, etc.)
It's not too late. Please find a time when it's just a casual conversation between you and ask her about the trip. You can then mention how interesting it was that there were so many people with such dark skin - so much darker than yours.
That will lead to conversation about how we are all different, yet the same, etc... Good people come in all colors, as do people with bad behavior.
So instead of looking at this as how people with judge you (another conversation entirely! :-), how about looking at is as a gift? An opening?
I find that life is very different, and I am a much different (better) mother when I live in inquiry and try to see the gift in every situation.
Please try this and let me know how it works!
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J.R. answers from Springfield on August 26, 2008
quick story for you, when my son was four, we were shopping at the deli and told me he didn't want the brown lady to give him his cheese. I was beside myself, especially coming from a mixed race family. (I am one of 11, 9 adopted and from all different races).
I tried to calm myself and tell myself that this is not because of my not being a good mother but from the fact my son has not been taught yet at that young age that its NOT okay to describe someone by using there skin color.
I would talk to your daughter and let her know that everyone looks different but are all the same inside, that other people have hearts and feelings and you wouldn't want to hurt them. Also teach her to describe someone by the color of their hair or maybe their shirt/clothing and she will soon understand that its not okay to descriminate.
good luck :)
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J.H. answers from Boston on August 25, 2008
N.,
There are a few pretty cool books out there that deal with issues of difference. Three I can think of are The Skin You Live In by Michael Tyler, The Colors of Us by Karen Katz, and It's Okay To Be Different by Todd Parr (this one is about non-traditional families, and I got it because my son has lesbian aunts). Maybe reading these together will put a positive spin on differences your daughter might notice.
Best,
J.
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