February 25, 2013,
S.H. asks from Kechi, KS on February 13, 2010
Pesky Ex Babysitter Refusing to Disclose Provider Info for Tax Purposes!!
Last year I took my daughter to an in home daycare where the lady was sleeping while watching several children, let them play outside unsupervised with a 5 foot pool in the yard, fed them peanut butter and jelly with cookies EVERY day for lunch, and let my child swim in a dark green algae infested pool frequently! Needless to say I spread the word to the other parents about what was going on and left the daycare. Obviously the sitter wasnt too thrilled because she lost several kiddos that way, but she was was a licensed daycare and I paid her to care for my child, turns out that was the last thing she was doing!! Anyway, point is, my daughter's daddy asked the babysitter for her social security number (because she did not have an Employer Identification Number) and she told him that "that thing you had a child with cost me a lot of money and I almost lost my only form of income, I dont trust her with my social security number, sorry, you cant have it." Regardless of whether or not she did wrong or I handled the situation wrong, since she was my daughter's provider I have to have that info to write off her child care expenses on my 2009 tax returns. Can she legally deny this information to me??? Is there something she can provide so I can finish my taxes? Thanks in advance!
So What Happened?™
Thank you ladies so much for all your input! After contacting her and telling her that if she refused to provide some sort of identifying information such as her SS number or her EIN I would be forced to report her noncompliance on my taxes which could lead to some rather unpleasant contacts from the IRS. Needless to say, she gave me the info! Thank you moms for giving me the confidence to confront her on this issue!
L.B. answers from St. Louis on February 14, 2010
One NEVER EVER gives out their SSN. I own a business (not child-care) and do not have an EIN as I am a sole employee. And EIN is used by the IRS to track EMPLOYEES of a business and how the BUSINESS reports its EMPLOYEES to the IRS. It is NOT for an individual to use to report expenses such as this.
You have rcvd some good info how to report this expense below.
This 'sitter' needs to be reported to the state w/written documentation.
S.T. answers from Kansas City on February 14, 2010
I'd call Topeka child care licensing dept and talk to them about it! I'm so sorry this happened to you!!
K.S. answers from Minneapolis on February 13, 2010
This is from the IRS.gov website about your situation:
My babysitter refused to provide me with her social security number. Can I still claim the amount I paid to the babysitter for child care while I worked? If so, how do I claim these child care expenses on my tax return?
Yes, if you meet the other requirements to claim the child and dependent care credit, but are missing the social security number or other taxpayer identification required ID number of a provider, you can still claim the credit by demonstrating "due diligence" in attempting to secure this information.
If a provider of child care refuses to give the identifying information, the taxpayer can still claim the credit however, the taxpayer must provide whatever information is available about the provider (such as name and address) on the form used to claim the credit Form 2441 (PDF), Child and Dependent Care Expenses, or Form 1040A, Schedule 2 (PDF), Child and Dependent Care Expenses for Form 1040A Filers). The taxpayer should write "see page 2" in the columns requesting the missing information. The taxpayer should write at the bottom of page 2 that the provider refused to give the requested information. This statement will show that the taxpayer used due diligence in trying to secure and furnish the identifying information.
For more information refer to Form W-10 (PDF), Dependent Care Provider's Identification and Certification, the instruction for Form 2441 (PDF), Child and Dependent Care Expenses, Publication 503, Child and Dependent Care Expense, or Tax Topic 602, Child and Dependent Care Credit.
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M.F. answers from Phoenix on February 13, 2010
Just a side note-If you ever run into that kind of a problem with a childcare provider not providing care or acting recklessly, which I hope you do not, in addition to warning current clients, please call your local child protection/regulatory agency (in IL it was Department of Children and Family Services-DCFS, in AZ it's Child Protective Services-CPS) and report the provider. By reporting her, you can ensure someone will check-up on her facility, whether licensed or unlicensed. By reporting her you will hopefully prevent her from providing negligent care to any other child in the future.
Good luck with your taxes!!
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M.W. answers from St. Cloud on February 14, 2010
I would call the county daycare license center and speak to them. She should be REPORTED! And I would ask them if they could help you in dealing with this issue about her tax number as well.
I did daycare for 5 years. I had a TERRIBLE mother who took advantage of me every chance she got. I wasn't very good at confrontations so I decided to give her a 2 week notice and get rid of her. (This was in November.) Her son was terrible too! Well, I gave the notice on a Wednesday (bad idea since I didn't get paid till Fridays.......) She read the note, slammed the door, and never returned. I knew I would have her when she needed my id number for taxes. Sure enough, she called me come Spring because she wanted my info. I refused to give it to her until she paid me what she still owed me from that week. She hung up on me. Then she called and threaten me though..... Said I was a terrible provider and all my families were leaving me, etc. Nobody ever left me, by the way.... I hung up on her...... Two days later I recieved my check in the mail. I sent her my info ALONG with a letter from my lawyer about harrassment. I never heard from her again.
Can she legally withhold the info. I was told by my lawyer that I could NOT. But how to enforce it, I'm not sure. Your tax person should have some ideas. Otherwise, I'd call one of the old families and ask them if they had her number and could share it with you so you could claim your childcare.
To the poster who said people don't use their ssn. MOST providers do.
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B.F. answers from Atlanta on February 13, 2010
I had a sitter that wouldn't give me any identifier number since what I figure she didn't claim what I gave her to watch my kids when i worked. So what I did was I included it I had an accountant do my taxes and he put it in.
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B.C. answers from Dallas on February 13, 2010
You can still claim her. If you cannot obtain a SSN for her, you just have to provide the information that you know, like her name and address. You may not be able to E-file without it, but you can do it the good old fashioned way on paper. Sorry that you're going through this. I'm a provider, so I understand your frustration with this "provider".
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J.G. answers from St. Louis on February 14, 2010
As long as you know the amount you paid, you don't have to have her social or federal id number! You just check the box that says provider refuses to give info.
B.F. answers from Kansas City on February 14, 2010
I am so sorry that you had to go through this. Glad you found out before anything serious happened to your child or someone elses. I was a daycare provider in KS before moving back to Mo. I don't know the laws about her refusing to give you her social but that's how I always did it with my parents. If I were you I would call her one last time and ask, if she still says no, then I would threaten her that you are going to call the county that she is lisenced in and report her for the stuff she has done. Then they will come out and investigate her. That will cause her more problems that I am sure she doesn't want.
If that doesn't work and she's still not giving you her info, can you call other parents and see if she gave them the info?
I would also call your tax person and ask them what they recommend to do.
B.W. answers from Springfield on February 15, 2010
I would suggest asking her to call your accountant and give the accountant the information, rather than you. Perhaps she would feel more comfortable.