A.O. asks from Saint Paul, MN on July 20, 2008
Opinion on Neighbor Noise
We are fortunate to have a pool in our backyard and I encourage the kids and their friends to use it - I like to see them outdoors and active, but I get frustrated because despite all the work I do to maintain and heat it, they don't use it as much as I would like. My son has used it, with friends, a total of 3 times this summer. My daughter and friends probably are in it every third or fourth day, but usually for about 20 mins to a half hour at a time in the afternoon. On the rare occasion that we are out there at night, we have never allowed any gathering to continue past 10 pm. Now my question - today an older neighbor came over and told me that he had polled the residents of the 5 homes in the block behind us and they all agree that the noise is excessive (particularly the screaming the girls do) and that they are all trapped in their homes because of it. I thanked him for coming forward but warned him that telling 11 year old girls not to scream is a little like telling the wind not to blow. But I feel terrible - both that the neighbors have been put out (according the guy who came forward, he has been stewing over this for a year) and that I will now have to police my kids every time they start doing what kids do in their own backyard. Do you think that living in a neighborhood requires some measure of go along to get along? How disruptive/unpleasant is kid noise to you? I would especially like to hear opinions from older readers who no longer have kids at home. I know I tune a lot of it out. I just can't bear the idea of walking on eggshells in my own yard, but I can't see any way around it. Any ideas?
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B.R. answers from Omaha on July 23, 2008
This is just an opinion... I think that if the kids are being loud in the middle of the day, don't worry about it. After all, when are kids supposed to be kids?! On the other hand, if it is getting later evening, say 8pm or later, maybe the kids could tone it down a little. Personally, I have a neighbor that has motorcycles and likes to fire them up in the middle of the afternoon, often when the baby is sleeping. I feel like I shouldn't complain, because it could be worse, he could be doing it at night. I think that there needs to be a little bit of give and take to make a happy neighborhood. Good luck!
M.F. answers from St. Cloud on July 22, 2008
It is really hard when you have neighbors in a city dwelling who cannot handle kids being kids. Perhaps a little "you yell loudly all the time, you don't use the pool for a number of days, or no more friends over to use the pool, or only 1 or 2 friends a day to use the pool" may work. My children impress very much on their kids that there is no yelling in the house and not a lot of it outside. Girls are squealers, what can you say?
L.B. answers from Hickory on July 22, 2008
You mentioned the girls go out most afternoons and that is when my elderly family members take naps. When I was pregnant I took naps and my neighbors dog DROVE ME CRAZY because he would wake me up EVERY afternoon and I was SOOOO mad at her while I was pregnant.
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L.D. answers from Minneapolis on July 21, 2008
I can identify with your neighbors. Growing up our neighbor had a pool and it was constant noise both from kids and adults (surprisingly more from adults). Anyway we could never just have quiet time outside, unless they weren't home. We usually kept our windows closed all summer and we didn't have air-conditioning.
Our current neighbors don't have a pool but their children are outside all day and well past dark. The boys are loud screamers and the little girl is a whiner. It can be very annoying but I just tell myself at least they aren't watching TV all day.
Keep in mind that noise echos more around water, so your family's noise is probably traveling further than most peoples. I only have a few suggestions. 1)Maybe you can discourage the kids from screaming and encourage them to keep the noise levels down. 2)Your neighbors would complain less if they were part of the noise. If you are friendly, you could invite people over. 3)Establish quite times in the evening and on weekend days to give your neighbors a break. 4)Have a meeting with the neigbors and get suggestions from them.
Good luck!
S.D. answers from Minneapolis on July 21, 2008
It sounds like you are doing nothing out of the norm and I would not worry about it. Some people are just complainers. I run a daycare out of our home and our next door neighbor used to complain about the noise the kids made outside! Kids laughing and playing outside!! She used to peek over the fence and spy on us, giving us the "evil eye" anytime anyone made a noise. Finally I warned her that *I* would call the police on *HER* for spying on the children if she didn't knock it off! This is the first summer she has not been watching us.
S.
J.W. answers from Minneapolis on July 21, 2008
Hi A.- As a child I was fortunate enough to have a pool in our back yard as well. My Mom was a stay at home Mom and we had friends over everyday. Back in the day a local swim instruction center would send out an instructor to your home and give your children free lessons provided you have enough other paying children. This much noise and traffic only upset one neighbor, they ended up putting in a privacy fence and then the following year moved. We never had an issue with any of the other neighbors, in fact they saw how much fun we had and by the time I moved out after highschool, the neighborhood had 5 more pools. I do know my parents took some time before setting up all the swim lessons; our city had noise and parking ordinances which had to be followed, however, being in the day time there was nothing wrong with kids having a good time and just being kids. I would start with your city and find out what exactly the rules are about noise and follow up with the neighbors when you see them which a few comments on how you realize it was brought to your attention about the noise, you did speak with the city, and you will make sure the rules of times on the noise levels given by your city is followed to your best ability. I, as a neighbor, would respect the up front nature and the willingness to approach the situation and not push it under the rug.
A.C. answers from Minneapolis on July 22, 2008
I live across the street from a family with 10 kids and a pool. They definitely have fun out there! While it does at times get irritating, I just remind myself that I am sure that my daughter will be loud outside, eventually too. If this gentleman is "older", he may be of the generation that kids should be seen and not heard. I am not sure that any noise coming from a kid is going to "disturb" him. It sounds like you have been completley respectful.
B. answers from Minneapolis on July 21, 2008
We all pay a certain price for living in a community. It can't be all our way. If you are being considerate by limiting the times the pool is being used to avoid making a lot of noise when others will likely be sleeping, I think you are doing your part. A lot of how we get along in this world depends on our attitude. We have two neighbors with pools. Sometimes I get screeching girls in stereo, but it makes me smile and chuckle remembering the fun I had when I was a screeching little girl. It wouldn't hurt to butter the old guy up though. Have your daughter and her girlfriends bring the old guy some cookies before their next pool party.
J.R. answers from Minneapolis on July 22, 2008
I don't think you need to stop your kids from playing but it would be nice to ask the girls to tone down the screaming. We have a pool also and live on 5 acres and I told my kids to stop the screaming. I try to treat my neighbors the way I want them to treat me. I know that barking dogs, screaming kids, fireworks after 9pm, and other things like that drive me crazy so I try not to drive them crazy either.
If my 6 and 4 year olds can stop screaming then 11 year old girls can stop screaming. Trust me, other people's kids screaming is WAY more annoying than your own :o) If I had my windows open on a nice day and wanted to enjoy the breeze I'd be furious if all I could hear was someone else's kids screaming.
Amyways, just my 2 cents :o)
J.
Mom to 4, soon 5 through another adoption and hopefully more :o)
D.S. answers from Minneapolis on July 21, 2008
National night out is coming up. What if you invited your neighbors over for a pool party. They might soften a bit if they know you and your family better.
My teen-age boys started a bonfire once that got a little two smoky and hot and the smoke ended up trapping our neighbor in his garage. He was naturally very upset and let them know that he would call the police on them if they didn't put it out. Since then, I have done my best to let them get to know us so that they can see the character of my boys. The boys have helped them with yard work and whenever the neighbors are out, I try to go over and chit-chat. It has made a big difference in how they see us and our commotion.
It's that old, "soft answer that turns away wrath, thing."
We have found that when someone says something like "the whole neighborhood is upset," that it is really just the two people that talked together.
S.C. answers from Minneapolis on July 21, 2008
A.,
I work in a neighborhood for my job and when we have stewing neighbors, we've found the best thing to do is confront it head on and up the communication. What if you got those 5 neighbors together for an informal meeting over cookies and lemonade. You could just be straightforward and say that your neighbor complained and that you would like to have a conversation about what the real issues are and what can be done. This doesn't mean that you have to sit and listen to them complain and then give in to their demands, but you can listen to what the real issues are and put your point of view out there. Generally if someone has been stewing for a year, doing something to diffuse the situation sometimes helps immensely. Sometimes folks just need to vent a little and feel heard and the issue goes away. I've done these kind of meetings for myself living with multiple roommates and have found it very helpful and refreshing (even when they've been all upset at me). Getting things out in the open in a respectful way helps the real stuff get out and stops the sideways stuff. If you want to talk more, you can PM me. Again, it's not about you taking a beating or whatever, just calling out the elephant in the room so you can all talk it over.
S.
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