M.J. asks from Langley, WA on January 13, 2009
Nursing for Years to Come
I have the inention of nursing my son until he's atleast 3 if not 4 years old. I was curious as to how that has been for other Mother's. Right now he's about 10 months old,and still nurses frequently from the breast through the evening. I was wondering when exactly the late evening feedings potentialy slow down and maybe even possibley cease to be. How does the breastmilk function as an adequate feeding or is it more so comfort once he's predominantly eating other foods.
Since so many members of my family grew up during the time when aggressive propaghanda was attempting to "phase out" breastfeedingi have little to no resource of information through them since even i was weened at 3 months old.
Of course, spirit willing my milk will keep up for that long too.
So, what has it been like for you, and is anything ever predictable?
So What Happened?™
Just wanted to thank those who gave such awesome support in relation to my question. Your good direction and experience was a wonderful counter combative to all the persons who chose to use my question as an opportunity to vent their personal ideals about breastfeeding. Glad that this sight is full of such a variety of strong capable and unique individuals who still stand firm and positive in the face of ignorance when it comes to raising our children, with their well being in mind and not that of everyone elses. You're all amazing,and thank you.
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K.Z. answers from Portland on January 14, 2009
I know you say you want to nurse for 3-4 yrs, but try to change your thinking to say "until he is ready to quit." It could be 4yrs, but he could be done by 18 mos. You don't want to be stuck with a feeling that YOU are not done! This happened to a friend, she was ready to nurse til 5 and her son was done by 18 mos. Just throwing that out there. My son just weaned at 4.5yrs and having the attitude that it's available as long as he needs it was critical.
From early on mine was a furious nurser. Just wanted it all the time. He seems to need human touch for comfort and now we still snuggle a lot, he likes to be held.
Just know your son. At a certain point (12-18 mos, when they're walking and talking), you don't offer but also don't refuse. Let them ask for it and when they do, let them have it! When it is available, they get to decide when they need it and when they don't need it anymore and weaning is so natural. And yes, it does happen!
It can get rough in there too! Reach out for support, read books, talk to people you know who did extended nursing! We are out there. ;)
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A.H. answers from Portland on January 14, 2009
I nursed my son until he was 3.5. I would say that he stopped his night-time feedings around 2.5. However, I really feel it could have been earlier if I had stuck with it. He nursed all day long until at least 2, then he went to 3-5 times a day until he was weaned.
I stopped nursing him outside of the house around age 2, he seemed to understand this just fine. I lived in another area and it made people really uncomfortable to see me nursing a toddler.
Weaning at this age was really easy. One day I started telling him that nursing is for tiny babies and now he's a big boy. It only took a couple of days and he didn't ask anymore. I also didn't have any real engorgment because he was only nursing a couple of times a day at this point.
Breast milk is a supply and demand thing, so as long as you keep nursing several times a day your milk should keep coming.
Good luck, extended breastfeeding is wonderful!
P.S. Don't listen to the other anti-extending breast-feeding advice. We're one of the only cultures in the world that would consider weaning at 12 months. I creaps me out to think that people replace breast-milk for cow's milk as soon as they can. My child was NEVER a baby cow and did not need the nutrition to grow like one. Cow's milk is for cows, breast milk is for humans! The average age around the world is 4, making it common to nurse until 6-7 in some places. Both my son and I greatly benifited from the snuggles, love, attention and nutrition that I gave him from my breast. I am pregnant with my second child and I plan on breastfeeding for 3-4 years as well (even if I get pregnant for a third time and tandem nurse). I think what you're doing is wonderful. If you ever need any support or or someone to talk to feel free to email me.
Geeesh, I keep reading other people's responses and have more and more to say! Children that are abandoned in cribs, left to cry it out, and bottle fed are the ones that CLING to their mothers! My son is one of the most out-going, self confident children I know. He talks to everyone, everywhere we go. He thinks that breast-feeding is the best way to feed a baby. He has NEVER clung to my leg. He happily goes with other people for the whole day if nessesary. The advice that was given to you is massively uninformed!
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A.Z. answers from Portland on January 14, 2009
There is nothing wrong with extended breastfeeding and despite ignorant assumptions by many people in our society, your children will grow up to be independent, socially healthy children with good self-esteems if they are raised to be that way. Breastfeeding just like baby wearing is greatly misunderstood. Most cultures average 4 years old before weaning. As your child gets older, he will naturally wean from frequent nursings to occassional. My daughter at 18 months old was only nursing at night before bed and recently (25 months old) she has decided to nurse when she needs to be close to me only on some days and she likes to nurse right before bed and first thing in the morning. The rest of the time, she prefers her independence, she can drink out of a regular glass, has no issues with her teeth (probably genetic since my husband and I both have good teeth and I help her brush her teeth a few times a day), is fully potty trained and so forth.
I have many friends that do extended breastfeeding and even tandem nurse with their other children. As your child gets older and starts eating food, he will nurse less often, eventually it will drop down to a point where it does not affect your hormones and you should be able to get pregnant again, everyone is different in this area. Pregnancy does change your milk and hormones and some children stop nursing part way through the pregnancy. Some will pick it up again when the new baby arrives and some simply self wean and decide they no longer want/need it.
Many parents chose to nightwean for better sleep. It usually takes a few days to a week and is easiest when he is old enough to understand that the milk is going to sleep and that he can have more milk in the morning. They cry at first because it's not what they want and they are used to nursing all night, but once they get used to the idea, they accept it pretty easily. Dr. Sears has some great suggestions for nightweaning. I did that when my daughter turned 18 months and had dropped her nursing habits considerably on her own. The only time I allow it to occur all night is on the rare occassions she is sick or the one time she was injured.
The upside is the health benefits they receive from continued nursing. In 2-1/2 years, my daughter has only been sick a handful of times and has been extremely healthy and active.
She is not clingy, loves to be independent and helpful. She can read dozens of words, speaks very clearly with a vocabulary of over 600 words. She does not suck on objects, use a pacifier, never took a bottle and prefers to use utensils and glasses like an adult and is frustrated that she cannot write her name or other words or draw like an artist. These are all traits detractors would say does not have because she is still breastfed, but I wanted to show you that many children grow up to be exceptional because of who they are not because they were or were not breastfed. Most children that have been breastfed beyond 3 years are very well adjusted and I have seen more children that were formula fed or breastfed only a few months with oral fixations, weird social behaviors and disfunctions that raise concerns. Children and parents are going to be who they are inspite of certain ways they are raised, although many factors do play a role in our formation, breastfeeding will not pervert or delay their development and many research results show superior health and brain development as well as great self-esteems because their needs were met rather than ignored. Follow your gut and do what is best for you and your family. I guarantee there are more families out there than will admit that they co-sleep, bedshare, breastfeed extensively or tandem nurse and so forth. A great resource is Mothering Magazine and their forums on www.mothering.com, there you will find hundreds of thousands of moms that will provide you with support and factual information.
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A.S. answers from Eugene on January 14, 2009
First, Congratulations! It can be hard sometimes to go against the cultural tide, and I see some people who have written to you still cling to the idea that extended breastfeeding is harmful. Not so! My experience with my two - I nursed my son till he stopped at 2-1/2, and in retrospect I think that he may have stopped because he could tell I wasn't really enjoying it that much anymore, but who knows. My daughter nursed till she was 4-1/2, and we would have gone on longer but my husband didn't like it, so I gave in and we had a fun weaning/growing up party, which was fine (we were only nursing probably once a day at bedtime by then). They are both now happy independent, interdependent, well-adjusted adults who have children of their own, who are breastfed. My daughter nursed her daughter till she was 2-1/2 and had planned on nursing through her second pregnancy and then tandem nursing, but that didn't work well for her so she weaned her during the pregnancy. Her second child is now almost a year, and I imagine she'll probably nurse him until he stops on his own. My daughter-in-law is nursing her 19-month-old, also with no plans to wean. I slept with my children till they were about 4, and my children sleep with their children. I think cosleeping is equally important. A book that was helpful to me way back then and is still good is Mothering Your Nursing Toddler. Another one I liked is How Weaning Happens (La Leche League has both of these, as well as other kinds of support). So-called "extended" breastfeeding has many many benefits, the nutrition is really good for children, and the comfort and intimacy is wonderful for helping them to grow up feeling secure and safe in the world, and I believe it also helps them to develop good healthy intimate relationships later in life. Babies and young children will gradually nurse less and less as they grow older, sleep longer stretches, and eat more foods, but nursing is still very important and can help ease the challenges of living and growing. And no, it's not ever really predictable, because there will be times they will want to nurse more, other times less. Just let him be your guide. There is only one thing I would caution you about, and that is that sometimes women (I know, because I did this some) will offer the breast right away as "comfort" when the child really needs to be listened to while he/she expresses some feelings - this can happen when the mother is uncomfortable with hearing the feelings and just wants the child to be quiet. So in this case the mother would be nursing to meet her needs rather than the child's. It can be a fine line to tell what is best in this kind of situation, but my conclusion is that when it doubt it's better to err on the side of nurturing, and even in this case I wouldn't refuse to nurse, I just wouldn't offer it. Breastfeeding is a wonderful special intimate connection, I encourage you to enjoy it for years to come! You are truly helping to make the world a better place by raising a child who feels safe and secure and happy!
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T.R. answers from Bellingham on January 14, 2009
Good for you for wanting to nurse for so long! It is great to hear of other mothers doing this. I nursed both of my children until they were around 3, and my daughter, who just turned 3, is still in the weaning process. I think most children really just are nursing for comfort and closeness at this point, but it was so hard for me to let go of that. It is just something so special that no one else can do for them but you. My first husband was not supportive of it, and insisted I wean my son when he was almost 3, so I don't know how long I would have nursed him if not for that. But my daughter's father is much more supportive, if not a little jealous of "the boob" as he puts it lol. I pretty much had to start weaning her about at the same age my son was, because she was interrupting my sleep too much, even though I slept with her, she would wake me up several times a night wanting to nurse. She is now 3 by a month and a half, and down to not nursing at night and only to get her to do things she wont normally let me do like brush her hair and trim her nails. But my milk supply is down to almost nothing, so she only nurses for a few minutes then tells me "it's empty". Every once in a while if she gets hurt or wants something to drink in the middle of the night and I am just too sleepy to get up and get it for her, I will let her nurse a little bit. But the night waking is dependent on how much I get her to eat for dinner, or if I can get her to eat a snack before bed time. I don't really want to get her into the habit of snacking before going to sleep, but I really need the sleep. It has been 3 years since I was able to consistently sleep through the night and I am so ready for that again. :) So most nights I just try to get her to eat a good dinner, and that makes her sleep much longer and better.
Most of my family wasn't supportive of my extended nursing of my children either, so stick to your guns. They just don't understand all the benefits of it and society as a whole seems to frown on it, which doesn't make any sense to me at all, but I walk my own path and don't let what others think bother me. My children are both extremely healthy and happy and well adjusted, and that is what is important. I think you are doing a fantastic job! And no, not many things are ever predictable lol.
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M.L. answers from Seattle on January 14, 2009
Hi there,
Just wanted to make a quick comment. Reading your other responses, some suggested that the "recommended" amount of time to nurse is one year. I actually just read that the American Academy of Pediatrics recommends at least two. Just throwing it out there. Good Luck.
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S.M. answers from Portland on January 14, 2009
I too had planned to nurse for an extended period of time with both of my children. I had to wean my daughter early (my second) for medical reasons, but my son nursed until 14 months. By 1 year it was for comfort only as he was eating plenty of solids and drinking cow's milk with meals. At that point it was evening only and usually only once. He started getting squirmy when I tried to initiate it he wouldn't sit still (14 months). So I told him if he wanted to I would but he needed to ask me (he would come over and lift up my shirt) and he never asked again. Good luck on your adventure.
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A.M. answers from Portland on January 14, 2009
Way to go with nursing! Did you know that worldwide the average age of weaning is 4 years of age? My daughter and I are up to 15 months, and still nursing. Her night feeds have dropped to one, and she nurses 2-3x during the day. Sometimes more during stressful times like teething/growth spurts/developmental milestones. It's normal for them to taper off of nursing as they rely more on solids, and many kids who are extended nursing drop to 2-4 nursing sessions per day. Rather than being a primary source of nutrition, think of it more as a supplement.
As for night nursing, it is possible to night wean and not totally wean.
Your milk will not dry up if your son is still nursing. It's all supply and demand. Most kids will self-wean at about age 2 or 2 1/2.
A great online resource is kellymom.com. (http://www.kellymom.com) Here is their link on extended nursing: http://www.kellymom.com/bf/bfextended/index.html. Also the forum/discussion boards are a fantastic resource for information and support. Many moms there are nursing well into year 4, as well as tandem nursing an older child and a baby.
You're doing a fantastic job with your son! Way to go making it 10 months nursing and many wishes for a happy continued nursing relationship.
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