J.S. asks from Morrisville, PA on September 12, 2010
Number of Children
My husband and I have come to the decision that we are open to the possibility of having 4 children. We currently have two girls who are 18 months apart ages 3 and 18 months. My husband was ready to try for #3 9 months ago but both our children are Mommy's girls BIG TIME and I just needed them to gain a bit more independence. I am a SAHM but my 3 yr old will start school tomorrow 3 days a week for 1/2 day. Anyway, my questions are...why is it when you tell people you plan on 4 children they look at you like you have 4 heads?!?! How is it that 3 children is acceptable but 4 is suddenly insane? Those of you with 4 children, can you tell me how life is different with 2 vs 3 vs 4. Also could you tell me the age difference in all your children and if you could do it all again would you keep the same age difference? (Obviously the latter question is not completely in our control but....) Right now, my husband and I are thinking of trying for #3 in the next 4 months or so and then for #4 9 to 15 months after that. Right now with my babies so young and still so needy though I'm not sure if that plan is feasible without sending me to an insane asylum! Feedback on your home situation would be greatly appreciated to help me weigh the options.
So What Happened?™
Thank you so much for most of your thoughtful, caring, and informative responses. I think after reading your many points of view, that my current plan is still the best one for my family. I am so looking forward to the excitement of trying for, conceiving, and having #3 join our family....and we will see what happens after that :)
For the few of you who responded in the exact manner that I was questioning with the general public, I am still not sure why you feel the need to judge. I hope it makes you feel better to know that I and my husband are well educated, financially responsible, loving, caring individuals who make plenty of time to be "romantic" (thanks for your concern in that area?!?!) and affectionate with one another. And I was "advertising" my desire to have 4 children because it was directly relevant to the questions I needed to pose. Isn't that the purpose of this particular forum?! Although I truly can appreciate all sides of the coin, the manner with which you choose to voice your particular vantage point does matter.
Nonetheless, thank you to all and bless all your families, large and small.
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P.M. answers from Harrisburg on September 13, 2010
I have trouble sometimes keeping up with my two...but if you can handle 4...whose business is it? Don't let the others bother you. If you need to, come up with some type of answer like "Why is it you feel the need to judge us?" or something else along those lines that should shut them up.
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J.S. answers from Jacksonville on September 13, 2010
I have six. Ages 13, 10, 9, 7, 4 and 3m. My sitiuation is a bit different as I went from having no children to one child to three children, to 6 children in about a years time. :) We were foster parents who were blessed to adopt our first five. Our surprise bio baby this year was a bonus. LOL
The thing we noticed and comment on when people tell us we must have our hands full is that after three we did not even notice.
It's just one more kid in the house to entertain me. :)
I always wanted to be a mommy when I grew up! I still want about 4 more kids.
Ignore the nasty comments. People can't mind their own business. Want to shut people up?
"Don't you know what causes that?" "Yep, and we sure do enjoy it!"
"I could never handle that many kids!" "Nope, you sure couldn't!"
"You have 4 kids?!?" Look at them in shock, "You only have 2?!"
Develop a sense of humor and thick skin. You'll need it with a houseful anyway! LOL
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G.B. answers from Tulsa on September 12, 2010
I think every family should have as many, or few, children as they desire. Congratulations on your choice. Most of my friends have at least 4, some have even up to 7.
It really isn't much different having more kids, they just have someone to play with all the time. Cooking for 6 is not much different than cooking for 5. I tend to use the same food for all ages but just use my Pampered Chef Food Chopper A LOT! I can get the food in timy peices for the little guys and still have an appealing meal for the bigger ones. I make a lot of stuff from scratch instead of buying processed frozen stuff. I always have my eyes open for large pots or pans that help me out, like good quality pizza pans. The cheap aluminium ones don't last and I make lots of pizza. I can make several and each person gets what they really like.
As for clothes, they just get handed down, we do get a few things new occassionaly but my friends seem to always hove someone growing out of a coat or a bunch of jeans. To me, doing the laundry and really taking good care of the clothes is the best way I can cut costs. You can sort them into tubs and label them...boys size 2 Winter, girls size 5 early Spring/Easter, girls size 4-5 Fall and Halloween tees and sweat shirts...I tuck them under beds, in the bottom of closets, on shelves in the garage, I have found all kinds of hiding places.
One of my best friends has 7 kids and she is a Professor of Nursing. She has good systems for teaching chores and cleaning to all the different ages. They are almost every 2 years, one is off by a year. The older kids have the responsibilty of teaching a middle kid the way to clean "Their" assigned room. For instance, a "big" kid may have the kitchen for their chore. The older kids are over 8 years old. They have a "little" kid assigned to them. The mom has the chorelist posted inside the kitchen cabinet door. The big kid is responsible for loading the dishwasher, washing any leftover dishes, sweeping and mopping if needed, taking out the trash, wiping the cabinets down, etc...they can delegate as needed to learn how to manage getting stuff done and asking for help. The little kid has the responsibilty of loading the lower rack of the dishwasher, putting away the dishes that go in the lower cabinets, wiping out the fridge if needed, etc...little bitty kids, too little to have a chore, can be a helper by putting up the silver ware, it teaches sorting and hand washing. An adult is always in the kitchen, and playroom too, because those are really BIG jobs. That way the family learns to work together and be helpful and have a clean home.
She has a list posted in some part of every room and it is very simple for the kids to check to see if they got everything they were supposed to do.
It is truly a blessing to have a large family.
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B.W. answers from Pittsburgh on September 13, 2010
I only have 2, but my sister has 6 - ages 12, 8, 7, 5, 3, 1. She said the hardest was going from 2 to 3. When mom and dad both had a kid and there was still an extra one. After that you are used to it I guess. I sometimes tell her she is crazy because life is sure hectic at her house and I am having trouble with two. but she loves it. and my cousin has 7 with the oldest being 7! all those people that think you are insane are people who couldn't handle it themselves. Ignore them. Tell them you were going to compete with the Duggers, but decided to stop at 4 instead. :)
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J.K. answers from Phoenix on September 12, 2010
I have 5 kids ages 16, 15, 9, 7 & 5 months. People looked at me with disgust with all of mine. lol The first one, we were too young and headed to the mission field. The second came too close, apparently...LOL Then I reversed a tubal ligation and had three more...siily us! Our family is very blessed. Our children are happy and loved by everyone. Having a baby with a toddler in the house was hard the first year but worth it. I love a large family. lots of love and laughs!
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B.C. answers from Los Angeles on September 13, 2010
My wife and I had 8. The first three were 14 and 16 months apart. The rest of my kids were farther apart. I'd have had all of them at 16 months to two years apart if I could. The closer they are together the better they play together and have similar interests when they get older. My first three helped each other more because they were closer together. The oldest one would bable to the next and would keep him entertained much better than I could have. #2 and three and the rest of them talked earlier, walked earlier and potty trained earlier than the first one because they had an example. The closer my kids were together the more likely they were to do home work together, study together, be on the same sports team, play in the band or choir together and do cub scout and boy scout projects together. Having them closer together is just plain easier on the mom and dad UNTIL they get ready to leave the nest, then they leave as quick as they arrive. I loved my kids dearly and it was hard when they moved out on their own.
How many to have? My job caused me to meet lots of different people on a regular basis. Children almost always came up. What I found was that when people got into their 40's the ones with 1 wished they had had three more. The ones with two kids wished they had had two more, and the ones with three kids wished they had had one more. The ones with 4 or more kids were happy with the number of kids they had. 4 appeared to be the magic number. This was true unless they had kids attend institutions of higher learning like Alcatraz or San Quentin. Then they either wished they hadn't had that one or they wished they hadn't had any.
The jibes and taunts about having 4 kids . . . We had 8, and the question I was asked most frequently was, "Don't you know what causes that yet?" I found the perfect answer. "It's not that I don't know what causes that, its just that I (!!) never forgot." It cuts off all conversation about that. And the one that asked is usually taunted by her companions about having forgotten.
Would I change anything? Yes, my girls were #4 and 6. I would have had them side by side instead of a boy being born inbetween. My wife and I are very happy with our 8. You can read my profile.
My kids may have missed out on some things because we just couldn't afford all the family "toys" like jet skis or vacations to the south of France. But we did lots of things as a family and we are still close as a family. My kids arrange for play dates so the grandkids can play with each other and get to know each other. They trade babysitting. My wife and I saved our money and we've taken some nice vacations together as a family. My youngest is now 22 and in 2012 my family (those that can), my wife and I and my MIL are going to take a cruise together. I wouldn't trade that family togetherness for all Bill Gates' money and what it would have bought.
BTW, I was elegible for some sort of public assistance all my working life until my kids started to move out on their own. I never took any government money. My wife and I taught our kids how to shop wisely, spend wisely and save their money. The principals of the schools my kids went to were usually mad at me because we wouldn't take public assistance because the schools got more money for kids of parents taking public assistance. We taught our kids to be self sufficient. My wife and I decided she should be a SAHM when we got married. I personally think that helped our family tremendously and was worth our sacrifice.
If you have any more questions about my big family, please feel free to e-mail me. Good luck to you and yours.
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D.G. answers from Philadelphia on September 13, 2010
Hi there! I just wanted to weigh in and share that my first 2 are 17 months apart... I did not "plan" for it to be that way, but I got pregnant and so it was. It was exhausting like you stated, but also soo good for them. They are girl/boy, but best friends and my oldest doesn't rememeber life without her brother! I unexpectedly got pregnant with #3 when my youngest at the time was 17 months, and had a baby girl (they are 25 mos apart) So at the time of my youngest's birth I had a 3 1/2 year old, 25 month old and newborn! It was busy, but it really is wonderful. It took a little while for the gap between my two youngest to close in with the 2 yr difference, esp when my oldest went to full day kindergarten and my son was left home to play with his baby sister. He missed his big sister terribly! I know what you mean about your little ones being needy, but Its amazing how they grow up and fall into the big sibling role! Im home with my 3 also, and some days are just insane, but the good out weighs the bad... I LOVE them being so close! Go for it! As for #4... it was a consideration for us too... but now that the baby is 2 we are starting to get used to a little freedom coming back, and we have decided that unless there is something unexpected, our hearts are full with our 3! Good luck to you!
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T.W. answers from Denver on September 12, 2010
I am growing #4 right now. Found out that I was having the unexpected 4th on my 40th birthday. Here is my insight. My first two are 6 years apart. There were more positive than negatives with the gap. I loved the help and communication with the oldest while dealing with the new baby. He was 6 at the time and really got to remember his brother joining our family. He was also in school full time so I loved that I had one on one time with the newest addition. On the down side, my oldest was used to being the one and only and didn't always like the extra attention being diverted. He is so much older that he will be going away to college before my 2nd starts high school. My oldest will not get to experience his younger siblings as they get older, thus not being as close to them. Kinda sad. As a parent though, the age gap of 6 years was by far easier then then 2 year difference my 2nd and 3rd have.
Bringing in the second child was not much of an adjustment. We were able to continue life and adjust smoothly to the new personality. When we introduced the third, that is when the world seemed to change dramatically! All of the sudden my car (which I loved) was not sufficient, I was outnumbered and felt like I was being pulled all directions all the time, I seem to always have someone flippin' out or needing my attention at all times of the day and LAUNDRY just seems out of reach.
I have recently been talking with my friends that have 4 and 5 children and they all say that the 4th just seems to fall into line. They couldn't identify whether it was because you finally get the hang of it or if you just have to let things go, it was just easier.
Now your worry of having "mama's girls" is legitimate. All three of my children are very much "mama's babies", I dote all over them, yet somehow it always works out. My youngest is the worst of all as far as being a mama's girl, I am very concerned about the 4th, but like the others, I am sure it will all be fine. The last three are all a little over 2 years apart and I do still wish they had a bit more of a gap in age though.
As far as the strange looks that people give you. I do not notice that as much. I have received some funny responses like when I told my dad I was pregnant the for the 4th time, he asked me if he should congratulate me or ask me what I was thinking. Overall though, my excitement to have 4 children, although unplanned, outweighs any response anyone could throw my way. Just enjoy the ride and do what feels great to you and your family.
Good luck!
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T.M. answers from Philadelphia on September 12, 2010
I have four girls. 14, 13, 8 and 6. I love it. I always wanted a big family. No one is ever lonely. We all share chores. Holidays are amazing :) There are certain moms that cant handle more than one or two. To each their own. I do wish that some of them wouldnt judge us though. I have felt judged for four. I wouldnt trade it for the world :)
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