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Non-Vaccination Safety

My son was recently very ill an in the hospital overnight. He has had two really terrible viruses one after another and his immune system is very delicate. I just found out the one of the moms in my playgroup has not had her child vaccinated. I am considering leaving the group but do not know if it is necessary. I would love imput form those of you who have vaccinated children who have been in groups with children who have not been vaccinated and whether it is worth the risks. *Please do not respond on the benefits on not vaccinating children I am not looking for a lecture on whether or not oto vaccinate, just to hear from moms who have experienced both sides of the situation.

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To those of you who responded to my e-mail request I truly appreciate your answers and it has given me a great deal to think about. I know people are very sensitive about whether or not to vacciante their children but just as I have decided to protect my child with vaccinations I respect others parents deciding it is not for them. To the persons who posted the article and long tirade about vaccinations, I did not intend to start a political debate and you never actually adressed my personal question which is I believe the purpose of these boards. Thank you to those who did.

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I have some really good friends who do not vaccinate. My kids are. The risk is to their kids. When you vaccinate, you should skip the group for 4-5 days afterwards to protect the others. Or at least let them know that you just vaccinated, so they can choose not to come. That's really all there is to it.
This is just my opinion, but if my child was compromised with a poor immune system, I would wait to immuninize until he was stronger. If my kids are sick, I don't get the shots until they are healthy. They have to fight off the virus they are being immunized for, so they need to be at their best.
Best wishes.

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I posted this because I am a mother of 2 vaccine-injured children, and like me there are many more, Vaccines don't just cause AUTISM, but language problems, Cerebral Palsy, learning disabilities, and much more!!! Now I have to come up with money I don't have to try and get my children better through Stem Cell and have to travel out of this country to do so... This is something no child or parent should ever go through... And no one has ever died of measles... just get a mild temperature and skin rash... But does not harm your child's brain or the ability to have a normal life!!!
Love, G.. :0)

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Deja Vu: Spinning Measles

by Barbara Loe Fisher

Last week, CDC officials began spinning the significance of 64 cases of measles reported during the past four months in contrast to the 37 to 508 cases of measles reported annually between 1996 and 2006 in the U.S.. One-quarter (14) of the 64 children and adults who got measles in the past four months were hospitalized but there were no deaths.

A CDC press release and Fact Sheet revealed that nearly half of the 64 measles cases occurred in those too young to be vaccinated or whose vaccination status was not known. Only one fifth (14) of the cases were American children whose parents claimed a religious or personal belief exemption. This fact didn't stop CDC officials from trying to blame the measles "outbreaks" on the exemption-takers by stating "These cases and outbreaks resulted primarily from failure to vaccinate, many because of religious or personal belief exemption."

In addition, the CDC made the following undocumented statement: "Before the measles vaccination program, about 3- 4 million persons in the U.S. were infected each year, of whom 400 to 500 died, 48,000 were hospitalized, and another 1,000 developed chronic disability from measles encephalitis." A quick look at the MMWR historical tables shows that the highest number of measles cases reported since 1945 in the U.S. was 763,094 cases reported in 1958.

What is the real story behind the hyping of 64 cases of measles and attempting to demonize parents who have taken religious or personal belief exemptions to vaccination? Are government health officials trying to deflect attention from the reality that even with a 95-100 percent measles vaccine uptake for children entering kindergarten in two- thirds of the states and a 92 to 95 percent vaccine uptake in all but four states, two doses of measles vaccine does not prevent measles from circulating in the population? Are they softening up the public for a future announcement insisting that a third dose of MMR vaccine must be mandated to "eradicate" measles?

After the first measles vaccine was licensed in 1963 and began to be used on a mass basis in the U.S., health officials estimated the herd immunity threshold was as low as 55 percent vaccine coverage in a population receiving one dose of measles vaccine. (free registration to Medscape required, or click here to view the Abstract in Pediatric Infectious Disease Journal. 25(12):1093- 1101, December 2006) When that belief failed to "eradicate"measles, in 1971 the herd immunity estimate was raised to more than 90 percent coverage and the 1977 Childhood Immunization Initiative was launched with an aggressive enforcement of mandatory vaccination laws. However, by 1989 it was obvious that even with a 95 percent plus vaccination rate for children entering kindergarten in most states, measles was still circulating with about 55,000 cases reported between 1989 and 1991.

Without conducting a thorough investigation to find out why there were measles increases between 1989 and 1991 in a highly vaccinated population or why the measles being seen was unusually virulent, CDC officials announced that all children must get a second dose of measles vaccine. But measles infections persisted and, in 1995, the National Vaccine Information Center reported on informed consent violations and child deaths in a large worldwide high titer measles vaccine experiment in which a very potent experimental measles vaccine was given to children under six months old to try to over- ride maternal antibodies. By 1998, eight distinct genetic groups of wild type measles were identified worldwide in vaccinated and unvaccinated populations.

By 2006, vaccine developers had raised the estimated herd immunity coverage rate for measles eradication to between 93 to 95 percent but obviously even that extremely high coverage rate in most states is not enough to do the job. So what comes next? Will the CDC call for the National Guard to go door-to-door armed with syringes containing measles vaccine to make sure there is not one unvaccinated person in the country?

Measles vaccine, which is part of the combination live virus MMR (measles-mumps-rubella) vaccine can cause brain inflammation and permanent brain damage. There have been nearly 45,000 reports of health problems associated with MMR vaccination made to the federal Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS) . However, there is gross underreporting to VAERS and it is estimated that, for example, fewer than 4 percent of all cases of thrombocytopenia (potentially fatal blood disorder) following MMR vaccination are ever reported to VAERS.

In 1997, Andrew Wakefield, M.D. and his colleagues published findings indicating that the MMR vaccine may contribute to the development of inflammatory bowel disease and autism in a subset of children, a scientific debate that continues today.

Parents contact the National Vaccine Information Center every week to file MMR vaccine reaction reports in the NVIC Vaccine Reaction Registry and describe how their children are suffering high fevers, seizures, brain inflammation and regression into autism after MMR vaccination. To view some of these reaction reports, go to the International Memorial for Vaccine Victims .

The CDC's one-size-fits-all, no-exceptions MMR vaccine policies allow almost no contraindications to MMR vaccine use. According to the CDC, a child can be sick at the time of vaccination or recovering from an illness; have a fever; be taking antibiotics; have a history of allergies; or have experienced a seizure or regression after a previous MMR shot and still be eligible for more MMR vaccine.

With oppressive "no missed opportunities" vaccination policies in place, it is no wonder more parents are filing religious and personal belief exemptions to vaccination. Some have no other choice, especially if their children have experienced previous serious health problems following vaccination and they cannot find a doctor to write a medical exemption. Others want to choose less toxic alternatives to vaccination to maintain health and wellness.

Non-medical vaccine exemptions for religious and personal beliefs are all that stand between the people and tyranny when doctors inside and outside of government take an extreme, utilitarian approach to infectious disease control and write off vaccine casualties as acceptable losses. Today, 1 in every 6 highly vaccinated American child is learning disabled, 1 in 9 is asthmatic and 1 in 100 to 150 develops autism while measles and other childhood diseases persist no matter how many doses are given or how high the vaccine coverage rate.

It is time for parents and legislators to take a hard look at whether trying to eradicate many diseases with forced use of multiple vaccines is a fundamentally flawed policy that has failed to achieve better individual or public health. It is time for vaccines, which are pharmaceutical products made and sold by corporations for profit, to be subject to the law of supply and demand rather than be financially subsidized and forced by government on the people.

No forced vaccination. Not in America.

Green Our Vaccines Rally

Wednesday June 4, 2008
9:00 a.m. - 12:30 a.m.
Washington, D.C.

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Why do you assume that non vaccinated children are sick? I have six children aging from 2 through 19 years old. I have also taken the full vaccination route as well as the non vaccination route, so I can honestly say I have experienced both sides. Whether or not to vaccinate is a personal choice and we here in CA have the option to choose based on philosophy.

I would not assume your child's viruses have anything to do with being exposed to non vaccinated children, but due to simply being exposed to children. Most people are not careful about colds and still attend play dates etc despite having a cold or other illness. In my house, I have a strict policy of no sick visitors...even if they say it is *Just a cold* (a common excuse).

I find it interesting that those who choose to vaccinate their children do it largely to protect their children from illness, then assume they will catch something from a non vaccinated child. Why worry if you have "protected" your child?

The best safe guard is to stay away from anyone who is sick, practice hand washing with soap and water, and stay home when you are sick so as not to spread your germs to others and ask others to return that respect.

S.

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I have some really good friends who do not vaccinate. My kids are. The risk is to their kids. When you vaccinate, you should skip the group for 4-5 days afterwards to protect the others. Or at least let them know that you just vaccinated, so they can choose not to come. That's really all there is to it.
This is just my opinion, but if my child was compromised with a poor immune system, I would wait to immuninize until he was stronger. If my kids are sick, I don't get the shots until they are healthy. They have to fight off the virus they are being immunized for, so they need to be at their best.
Best wishes.

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Hello, I am aware of this situation too. There ought to be no need to have concern of a child who is not vaccinated. Weather a child is vaccinated or not doesn't mean they are a bigger threat to your child, unless you know a child, any child, is ill and around your son ( obviously you would keep your child away from an ill child or adult etc.). There are viruses and bacteria all around us everywhere ( and you cannot get vaccinated against that ), and so your child could pick it up anyway.

If your child has been vaccinated then your child ought to be protected against the things that an unvaccinated child could get more easily perhaps. There will always be a lot of people around you who are not vaccinated, much more than you think, as it is much more people questioning vaccines today.

It seems to me instead of having fears of others around your son, you need to concentrate on building your childs immunity, and looking into alternative therapies. If he is low then look at boosting with liquid child-dosed echinacea, vitamins and top of the range supplements ( go to ahealth food store or something similar). Homeopathy is excellent in helping anyone really, go to a good homeopath to get a constitutional remedy or go to a health food store and ask them, or read some books on it. There is a lot out there.
You might also be very careful with things that triggers mucus build up or allergies, and if this goes on, have him tested for allergies. Foods to typically stay away from are wheat, eggs and milk products.

And if your child seems really low and sensitive, you might just want to stay with him or have more time at home, to make him stronger. It seems concentrating on building him up with good food and rest and looking into whatever feels good for you to do for him, would seem a much more positive action, and if you feel better, then more than likely he will too. we worry so much as mothers anyway, that if you can feel better about things, it will help him build his strength back. Listen to your heart!

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If your son is vaccinated, then he should be safe, right? I don't see any reason why you would be concerned by having him around a non-vacinnated child. THAT child would be the one at risk, not yours....so I think it's kinda crazy to even worry about that. AND, if the non-vacinnated child is sick, then he/she would probably not be at the playdates anyways, correct?

Anyways, just my thoughts.

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The risk to un-vaccinated children is actually those who have been vaccinated - not the other way around.

If we take a look at those who care getting these diseases we vaccinate for it definitely includes children who have been vaccinated. Kinda makes one wonder why to get the vaccine if your kids gets sick anyway...but that is another topic. :)

My #2 son was vaccinated up until 2 yr...after my 3rd was born a 'friend' came over with her 3 yr old to see the new baby. He was coughing...she said it was allergies. Her vaccinated son, brought whooping cough into my house and then my vaccinated son and my un-vaccinated son (who was only 2 mo old) both contacted it. I was NOT happy. That was my first lesson in who is really at risk...

Don't leave the group just because someone chose not to vaccinate - remember, they are carriers of dread disease, and your children are more of a risk the them than the other way around. :)

J

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It's interesting you bring this up as I just went through a challenging ordeal around this subject. My girls attend a school where a number of the kids have not been vaccinated. I didn't think much of it until whooping cough reared it's ugly head and there was concern for my youngest because she had a cold that could have been the beginning of whooping cough even though she had been vaccinated because she had been exposed to the live bacteria not the weakened version from the vaccine. It turned out she didn't and I had both of my girls and myself boostered for pertussis to cover us. It was then I realized I was no longer as accepting as I used to be of this decision, but it is not enough for me to take my girls out of a school we love very much. I will just make absolutely certain we are all up to date with our vaccines and have them take their vitamins and such as I was already doing anyway.

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Do what you think is best for your child regardless of how the non-vaccinated children's parents perceive you. We are our children's number 1 advocate. Go with your best instincts. Good luck.

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