K.S. asks from Timnath, CO on March 04, 2008
My Marriage Is in Trouble...
Hi ladies..I was almost 41 when I married for the first time, I was very particular about the men I even dated, and have often said I know why I waited so long to get married.I have been married for just over 3 1/2 years...when we first married I was working, making pretty good money $45G a year,working pt.time.Since our son was born, I have been a sahm to him, and I REALLY do enjoy being home with him. However, it has been a huge transition for me financially, and I absolutely hate depending on a man or someone else for money.We have a budget, which I follow pretty well, but lately, it seems like all I hear about is " my spending money", and frankly, I have HAD it and cannot stand to hear it anymore....today I had splurged and went out and got a $15 manicure and a $15 haircut(which was supposed to be a trim, she cut over 3 inches off!!)then I get accused of spending all our money, ha he has NO idea what I "could have" spent.So as far as the money goes, I am tempted to go back to work part time, but I told my husband I really don't want to pay for daycare, so he would lose his day off. I have been frustrated in my marriage and our sex life also, its pretty much sexless, and I am not made this way, I keep dreaming of being with other men, and most of my orgasms come from a vibrator, pretty sad I would say. I have tried to talk to him about this, he says he is sorry, he blames it on stress, and money and he worries too much about it....well, I cant take it anymore. I was hoping things would get better, we just moved into a beautiful new home, which I absolutely love, but it doesn't feel like a very happy home lately, and I'm not sure what to do anymore...any advice?
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So What Happened?™
Hi everyone-let me first say..thank-you all for the overwhelming amount of responses received, and thanks to most of you with your positive responses...secondly, maybe I wasn't real clear about my request..I think it was 3 a.m. when I wrote it, so a little tired and unclear.. Anyway, my husband and I DO have a budget written out, we have for some time....along with that is our spending money which he has said is mostly for my son and I. So that is why I was so upset, I do stick to it, and I thought his comment was unacceptable...so the day after I wrote my request, I had several apologies from him, and that he had crossed the line...I had talked to him about the amount and if he wasn't ok with that to let me know...he said it was fine...so he doesn't want me to go back to work just yet,for me, it would have to be the right situation....because I refuse to work to pay for daycare, and I enjoy every day with my son, and his constant growing and changing!
For those of you and the books referred, I have read the mars and Venus series, quite awhile ago,they are great books! I received the "proper care and feeding of husbands" for a shower gift when I got married, another good read. so as far as the sex and our relationship,I forget sometimes we need to spell it out for our husbands..so I have done just that!! I have tried many many other things, but mostly the problem was he was falling asleep on our sofa, so he said he is going to work on that...enough said ,thanks again ladies, we are going to try a little harder and if we can't work on it ourselves, then we will seek some counseling for sure. I wasn't implying I wanted a divorce, or to have an affair, I really do respect my husband and our marriage vows,and the sanctity of marriage, another reason I wanted so long to marry! I was a product of divorce,and saw exactly what it does to children, and that is the very LAST thing I want for my son! Have a great day everyone! K
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E.J. answers from Salt Lake City on March 05, 2008
Having young kids is stressful on a marriage, period. Be patient and things will hopefully settle down.
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A.R. answers from Denver on March 04, 2008
Getting married later in life is challenging for everyone involved, especially when there is a dramatic change such as suddenly relying on someone else financially. When I married my husband I stopped working so I could travel with him to where he worked (he is a consultant and travels to where the work is...)and the pressure on him financially was huge. Of course it was also a huge adjustment for me to be reliant on him. I found he was the one who handled it badly.(he'd say so too!) I think sometimes men just aren't equipped to handle such stress gracefully. It took a long time and many arguments until we worked out a system that worked for us. What we did was every two weeks we set up an automatic deposit into a separate account for me. That was my money to spend as I wished. As we had children, the amount increased so I could also buy for the kids (clothes, toys) without feeling monitored. The amount also varied based on his income and such. Groceries and other living expenses came out of our regular account. It really worked for us because I didn't feel like he was hawking over my every purchase and he always knew the state of our finances. I always sort of considered it like getting paid for my job as a mother(although I am sure I deserve more!!). Perhaps if you talk to your hubby about managing the money he makes as a team and set up a budget of some sort it will take off some of the pressure for him and make you feel more involved. I know that as soon as my husband realized that I wasn't the enemy and was on his team, he really started to relax. You should never be made to feel guilty for taking care of your self, especially when you have such an important job of raising a little boy. Try to keep him in mind before throwing in the towel. You could even try meeting with a counselor and/or a financial adviser who could help put things in perspective. I wish you the best of luck!
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T.W. answers from Salt Lake City on March 05, 2008
Hi Kay- I hope I can say something helpful.
Quitting work is definitely a sacrifice. Even on the tightest budget, there should be a small amount of "slush money" for each of you, and obviously he should be just as accountable as you for your family budget. If your budget is detailed, and you are both keeping within it, then there shouldn't be complaining on either side. I would be glad to send you a MS Excel budget that is really detailed that you could change according to your own needs if that would be helpful.
Also, this website gives helpful advice on family finances as this is an area where most people need to be careful, and also an area of friction for many couples. It is part of the Church of Jesus Christ of latter-day Saints website wwww.providentliving.org . The helpful advice applies to all people, not just members of the church of JC of LDS: http://www.providentliving.org/channel/0,11677,1709-1,00....
When my first son was born, I had quit working. We went from a year where we had made around $85,000 together without children to a $30,000 income with just my husband working and starting a new carreer. We already did budgets. I worked up a new budget that I thought was as trim as it could be, and I realized it still had to be trimmed a lot. In fact, for 6-8 months we lived on a grocery budget of $160 per month that included diapers and other baby stuff. Obviously $15 is inexpensive for a haircut and manicure. But it also depends what your income is. If you don't make enough money, a $15 manicure will not be worth it in the future if it is causing you to go into debt.
As for the sex, I think it is an important part of a good relationship, not something you should have to dream about, but something that is a fulfilling part of married life. I guess for a lot of us, that also means a "budget" of time that includes time together. We all sometimes spend time watching TV or other relaxing activities at the end of a day, when time together would be a better way to spend it.
Marriage and children are SO challenging sometimes and require constant work and nurturing. As hard as it is, the alternatives are less satisfying. I believe if you talk and work together, and pray, you will be able to come up with the right solutions for your personal challenges. Issues change as time goes by and things really do get better (as a sahm with 3 kids 5 and under, I tell myself that every day : ) ...) You will be amazed what you learn from these challenging experiences you are having. Hang in there and God bless you. T.
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S.E. answers from Boise on March 04, 2008
I think it would be a great idea for you to get out and work part time! Your son might enjoy going to a preschool or daycare one or two days a week (although I am right there with you about not wanting to pay for it :-) but the change in structure and meeting new friends might be fun for him. Good luck and you deserve a manicure and haircut!!! :-)
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J.S. answers from Salt Lake City on March 04, 2008
Gosh, I dont know what to say, your story touched me, that's why I'm replying.
I'm almost 36, I have an almost 13 year old (next week) son. I raised him on my own for 10 1/2 years. Met my boyfriend when my son was 5, we started dating when my son was 7, moved in with my b-friend when he was 10 1/2 and things are pretty good. But I too have feelings of being glad I'm not married yet, that I've waited. I'm glad I got to know my self and became completely self sufficent. Its also hard for me to feel like I'm depending on someone. Even though its so nice to have the the help, its scarry to think how far I'd fall if someting happened to him. So I started college just to continue my claim for independance, I want to make more money and maybe even buy a condo. Just to rent out, then if something does happen, I'm not unprepared.
I just feel like I can understand your feelings of going from completely independant to dependant on someone, and having to ASK, or get permission? That would be so hard. I keep my own bank accounts, I have my own money, I only give him a set amount every month, and we stay out of each others financial business. I Dont think I'll be the kind of women who turns over her pay check to someone. I think age does that to us.
I have a bunch of work to do in my relationship too, we are ... or I am having a hard time with some of the realities in our relationship. Sometimes I think I'm still changing so much, I might change away from him, I dont know.
I think the only thing I thought of when I read your post as far as advice is I remember a time when I was financially in debit. Holidays and birthdays crept up on me and I was never prepared, I was always asking "Why does this keep happening to me, why do I never have any money for Christmas?" Silly as it sounds, I realized one day that its not because I have bad luck and was going to be SOL for the rest of my life, I realized that its because I had'nt learned how to manage money yet. But there are books and seminars to help me learn how to be smart with money.
With in a year, I had all my credit cards paid off, money in my checking and 4 separate savings accounts with money automatically transfering to them (one as little as 7 dollars a week, thats like eating out once a week but it going to savings instead) and now I have an awesome 401K with about 23% going into it every month. And a comfey savings for a rainy day. Pluss all my other accounts for Chirstmas, Birthdays, Car expenses.
Ok, that was probably TMI but my point is, Sometimes I feel like we are here to learn how to be our best self. To learn how to rise to the occasion, not just screach by, but actually learn about the situation, and how to be our best in regards to it.
Sometimes trouble can be an indication that you just havent learned that part of life yet. I dont think it means that your forever doomed (like I used to think I was) I see my son give up because he's not good at something the first time he try's it. He doesnt realize that he has to learn all aspects of it first, practice it, and in time, he'll get good at it.
So how does this help you? It probably doesnt. I'm just relating and sharing stories. Women like you are my hero. And I believe your doing the right thing acknowledging what's going on so you can find a solution to the problem. And reaching out getting advice. I know that I really like reading relationship books, I've never had a relatioship last longer than 7 months (that was one time), so when my DB came along, I had read so many (and actually started putting my information into practice) and we've been together for almost 6 years now. We're both happy and peaceful, we have our issues, but really, we're good. I just keep my own agenda, and stay out of his hulahoop, and he stays out of mine.
Maybe thats part of the challange when you wait to get married, sometimes I think I could have merged easier when I was younger but I'm too set in my ways now. Luckly, he is too so as much as we love each other, we kind of butt out of each other's business and just support eachother instead. I dont know..
Good luck to you, I hope you find what works for you to make your marriage work. Everyone has a different way.
BTW, paying for day care isn't so bad, for me, it was anoter sence of independance and controll over my life. And if you have a job that offers a FLEX Plan, you dont pay tax's on Day Care, And you get the tax break at the end of the year. Doubble Bonus! (Yes, I've learned alot about saving money).
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A.F. answers from Salt Lake City on March 04, 2008
Your husband will lose his day off?? When is your day off? If money is an issue than go back to work around his schedule. As for your sex life it takes two in the bedroom. I can't stress COMMUNICATION in and out of the bedroom. Does he know what turns you on? Do you know what turns him on? One of the biggest reasons couples divorce is because of money issues. (my brother is a divorce lawyer) If you love each other and want to be together (not just because of your child) you'll have to work at it every day. Try and make time to go on a date at least once a month.
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D.G. answers from Grand Junction on March 06, 2008
read Fasinating womanhood. It will fix all your problems it is amazing.
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J.H. answers from Billings on March 04, 2008
Money troubles are the pits. It sounds like we have similar financial situations--I have been a stay at home mom for a while now too. I never had the salary that you did, but I did have a little money that I contributed to the family income. I used to babysit, but the family I worked for just sent the last kid off to kindergarten, and I haven't found any new kids to watch. We, too, just moved into a new home, and the house payment is higher than our last one was, so my extra income would be helpful. I had the same discussion with my husband about working, because I think it is necessary now. I would have to work evenings or weekends (unless I found more kids to watch during the week). He basically said what your husband said--that he doesn't want to not have a weekend. He said he would rather be poor. So far this hasn't brought stress to our relationship, but he doesn't give me a hard time about where the money goes...I don't think 30$ for nails and hair is expensive at all! Does he have things he spends on, like beer or snack food or other "vices"? If so, remind him of that. You can have some "fun money" too.
I have some perhaps funny-sounding advice for relightning the sexual spark...to spice things up, my husband and I send each other sexy text messages during the day.(You could also do this with email). It makes things pretty exciting when he gets home--sometimes we can't keep our hands off each other!
Maybe counseling would be helpful if neither one of you can see the other's point of view on the money thing. Good luck. I wish I could help more~
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A.P. answers from Denver on March 05, 2008
Welcome to the club, Kay. You are not alone. And it's not just YOUR husband who is being difficult. No matter how wonderful your husband is, men just don't understand what it takes to be a stay-at-home-mom. When we were a double income home without kids, everything was peachy keen. What was there to fight about?!?! Kids and lack of money definitely are a cause of stress. Here's my two cents. (1) Don't get a divorce. Children need a mom and dad. As long as the dad isn't abusive or an addict or something like that. (2) You've got to take care of YOU. Get an outlet. Everyone has a different outlet. Here are some of mine. (a)I take a bath every night and read a book. (b)I belong to a moms group. We have moms night out. It's a great place to vent, seek advice, drink wine, and eat chocolate. (c) Exercise. Yoga, Walk, etc.(d) Set aside time for just you and your husband. If you can't afford a babysitter, do trades with other moms. Go on a date. Do a getaway weekend. (d) Give your husband some responsibilities with taking care of the child(ren) and house chores. It will be good for ALL of you. (e) Do something that will feed your mind (because staying home is mind numbing). Whether that's a part-time job or volunteer work. Whatever. You need something. (3) Marriage counseling. Most people wait until it's too late. Seek the counseling to be proactive. It's an investment in your family's future. (4) Get a grip on your finances. Oprah website has great financial advice. Figure out what you can do without. For example, when I want to shop --- I shop thrift stores and garage sales --- instead of malls. It's like treasure hunting. (5) Sex. Just do it. Don't wait until you're in the mood -- because that just won't happen. You won't regret it afterwards. You take care of your children. View it as taking care of your husband. And actually --- it will feel good for you. Your husband wants to please you sexually. So be explicit about what is pleasing to you. He doesn't know unless you tell him. That kind of frank talk might be a kind of foreplay as well. (6) Communication. Men and women communicate differently. There's no way around it. No matter how intelligent your husband is --- you need to spell it out for him. He can't read your mind. And you can't say it just once --- over and over again. (7)Lastly, see this as a temporary situation. There's light at the end of the tunnel. It gets easier as your child gets older. That's what I've heard anyways. We have a 4 year old and 16 month old. We've been married for 7 years and have been together for 13 years. Best wishes.
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