My Daughters Friend

Updated on September 14, 2010
L.A. asks from Cherry Hill, NJ
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My 7 yo daughter has a friend she met in kindergarten. Through the past 2 years they have grown very fond of each other and always want to play after school, on weekends, etc. They call each other "Best Friends" and seem so happy they have each other. The problem, my daughter has Osteogenesis Imperfecta Type 1 which is a disorder of the bones causing fractures to occur easily. Since birth we have always kept a very close eye on her and don't allow her to do anything that could cause her an injury. I started noticing that when we would go to this friends house that the other child would have seriously violent fits. She would scream, throw things and even hit her little sister. Their mother explained that the child has a type of autism (excuse me as I am not familiar with the conditions). She continually speaks about the childs autisim and I understand but I feel she makes excuses for her behavior. There has been a few occasions where the child grabbed my daughter and she has screamed and yelled in her face. This scares me and my daughter and I told her this is not normal and certainly NOT how BFF's act. However, she feels she will be abandoning her best friend if we stay away.

I have kept away all summer and have loosend ties but this upsets my daughter and I feel like I am becoming the bad person. Also, the other family makes me feel bad when they call and say their child wants to see my daughter. I recently went over for a birthday for their youngest child. As soon as we were there the kids starting fighting and it scared my daughter, she played by herself most of the time to avoid them. Then as I was sitting talking with the mother on the couch her youngest daughter whom I just purchased a very expensive bday gift for came over and punched my arm, its it actually bruised today and hurts to the touch. I have seen the mother praise the youngest for being so tough. She amazingly rewarded her child for punching and hitting. I could not believe it!! Its very scary and I feel its a lack of good parenting on their part. Every time the children act out they blame the autism. How can I break away without hurting the kids and the childs parents. I dont want to be judgemental or even act as if i'm better then them. I just want them to be understanding, which I know might be hard. I need to get my daughter away for fear she will be the next punching bag victim. I also feel she is becoming used to the violence and accepting it. The other girl has gotten too comfortable with her actions and at this point expects my daughter to listen to her. My daughter can't even play with anyone else at school or she gets upset. My daughter has become the victim and is actually choosing to remain friends. I'm breaking the friendship up and feeling a whole lot of guilt along with it. Need Advice :(

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I have established MARTHA is an angry person, I have all the right to defend my daughter and i'm not wrong. You are the one with issues on the subject, not me. My concerns were valid, everyday issues. being punched after buying a gift was rude regardless and really is one of the problems at hand. Should not be acceptable for ANY child. Not everything has to be about autism. My daughter and I have feelings too. Your deep seeded response (issues) in relation to my "petty" question, as you would call it, was very strange indeed.

At Dee T:
Yes, I'm starting to think me and my daughters are easily made targets for all the anger people hold within themselves. Me and her are very kind people and would not hurt a fly. However, in return we are so easily hurt by others. Time to toughen up the inside to help protect the outside.

Martha, it's possible some of your childrens anger comes from what they see in you, just a thought.

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M.R.

answers from Columbus on

First you have to protect you child becaue she needs special treatment to keep her from being hurt. That is fair for your daughter.

If your daughter does not want to play with this girl, she shouldn't, and if this is an inappropriate friend for her because of her special condition, you should keep her away. Cut the ties, and tell the parents that you are doing it because their child is too impulsive and has a history of not controling her behavior. Be honest about why you are doing this. But don't straddle the road or add all this other garbage. It makes you look petty.

You know that you are wrong and that is why you feel guilty. Every child with autism is not going to have the best set of parents there is. Fact of life. You have no idea how well equiped they were to handle the microscope you put them under either. You are seeing what so many people see when they look at our kids. They see children who look just like other children sometimes, but then have a problem and assume that they should always look like other kids. Your child looks like other kids all the time too, untill she breaks a bone, so is that your fault for keeping her bones unbroken MOST of the time, that she does not appear to have this condition such that another parent may question YOU that your child has an issue? Put that shoe on right now, and think about how uncomfortable it feels. The fact is, most parents with kids on the spectrum have worked harder than you had to to get our kids to look like yours most of the time. It is really hurtful when you, and everyone else, says that we did nothing right when they just happen to fall back into looking like they looked when we got started working with them. That is the reality of it, like it or not, blame us for what inconvieneces you it makes you feel better, but imagine what that kid would act like if her parents had never done anything to help her. But wait! If that kids parents had never done anything to help her, she would not be in class with your child, and when you saw her rocking in the corner of the cafeteria with the MRDD kids, you would think how horrible her parents were that they did not do something to help her more...which one sounds better to you? Listen, the last thing you want too, when your child breaks a bone is to see a little group of Moms in the corner of the play ground, looking over at you and giving you that look that says, "she knew her kid would break her arm, why did she not keep her safe?" Isn't that right? We are no different.

You are way off base about the autistic child leaving the room. She gets to leave the room so that she does not have an autistc outburst and disturb your child, just like your child gets to avoid things that may break her bones. Do you let your child climb the rope in gym class? Is it fair that a child with bad eyesight gets to wear glasses? The parents may have been asking for all kinds of theraputic, data proven interventions from the school, and what they got instead was a provision that the child could go be alone to have a melt down, instead of therapy to help her prevent them in the first place. So common for schools to just wisk the problem out of sight and call it good. How would you feel if that were the answer for your child?

Come on! I know that you are angry that you are in this situation, and that you have a hard choice to make here, so stop adding up all these excuses to find that you are justified in making a good choice for your child that may hurt another one by finding that this child and her parents are terrible. If you don't like Mom, and you don't like the younger child, fine, but that is not some big, convoluted reason to not just say what you need to. Children with Autism have impulsivity issues, some have anger issues, some have out bursts where they are not in control of thier physical actions (by reason of medical, REAL, nuerological issues) and you have a child who is easily hurt, also because of a REAL medical condition. You, more than most people should understand both situations, and I hope you do now, and if you are honest with this Mom, I bet she will too. If you need to make this choice for your daughter, then make it, make it LOUD and make it CLEAR. The autistic child will not hear it any other way, and who knows, it may be one of the motivators she needs to help her work harder to change her behavior, autistic children have to work very, very, hard in therapy to learn what comes naturally to your daughter, and then they need reasons to practice them in the real world. Don't beat this kid up with every time she did something right to say that she does not have a problem, who in the world would do any work at all on a problem if everyone treated them that way? Would you? If you weighed 300 pounds and lost 5, would you keep working at it if you were told by your doctor, so, you still weigh 295...

All the hush, hush, subturfuge junk you went through in your post about it being Mom's fault, and how expensive the gift was is just junk. These are two completely seperate issues. You have a hard choice, and so does your daughter, and any parent with a child like mine will understand, if you you are talking to them instead of us. If they don't, you would not like them even if thier kid was totally normal.

M.

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L.D.

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It sounds like this little girl is not getting the services and help and support that she needs to learn social skills outside of school and to manage her anger and frustration. Parents are possibly clueless about the services and resources that are available in their community. And they may be indifferent or passive about the whole situation with their daughter. I really do feel sorry for this little girl because it doesn't have to be like this for her -- but that's not your responsibility. Your responsibility is to make sure that your daughter is safe and develops healthy friendships. If this mother is not going to supervise her child during her playdates, teach her how to handle anger and frustruation in an appropriate way, teach her social rules and how to be a good friend, and set consistent boundaries, then you probably do need to be the bad guy and tell this mom why your daughter can no longer have playdates with this little girl. What it boils down to is a safety issue. Hopefully this will be a wake up call for the mom to get her daughter the services (usually ABA tutoring) that she needs at home after school.

Good luck.

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D.B.

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Trust your gut! Make the separation about your daughter's condition and not the friend's condition. Period.

Autism is a whole spectrum of conditions and a child can be in public school while still having social issues. This is probably a big reason why she doesn't have many friends - she is not capable of reading other people's reactions, not adept at social niceties, easily frustrated, etc. If the school chooses to allow the child to leave the classroom to calm down, it may make sense. You can explain to your daughter that the BFF cannot control her behavior and therefore needs to leave. Your daughter obviously knows that she has a condition of her own that makes her bones fragile, and so she can be understanding of the BFF's issue without being forced to think she has to be a part of it.

Tell the other parent that YOUR child has issues with being yelled at, and that she has a severe condition that makes her fragile. You don't have to get into the parenting style of praising hitting - frankly, I think it's ridiculous and inexcusable. BUT these parents are already defensive and you can't change them. Tell them that, as much as they admire hitting, it's the worst possible thing for your daughter, and therefore both girls need to find other friends who are more in line with their social styles and medical issues. Inform the teachers that there is an issue with your daughter, and that she needs to be protected from aggressive children. Separate the kids even if it means they go into different classes or have different recess periods.

Tell your daughter that she's not obligated to be a friend with someone who hurts her and yells at her, and that you want her to find new friends while the other girl gets well and learns how to control her behavior. Then start inviting other kids over.

Someone famous said that "No one can make you feel guilty without your permission." So stand firm on behalf of your daughter, both her physical situation and the values with which you want her to grow up. We cannot be friends out of guilt. It never works.

Good luck!

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D.T.

answers from Philadelphia on

I would just say to follow your "gut" instinct, which sounds like you are doing! You've been slowly pulling away now anyway. It might be difficult for your daughter, but she is young and will make and break lots of friendships in her lifetime!

And as for Martha . . . HOLY COW!! Talk about adding a bunch of garbage . . . She's the one who went on and on and on and on about her own issues and defenses regarding her own daughters. I'm just sorry for you that she decided to make you HER punching bag!

C.S.

answers from Medford on

I am sorry for the person attacking you. We all have our opinions, but this site is about gathering information so that we can all become better parents. Shame on them for attacking you instead of offering advise and help so that you may learn from this experience that you are going through.
I personally didn't see how your question was about autism, I got that it was about the parent. I think that IF a child has autism and IF part of that means they can be violent, THEN the mother should have been more appologetic to you. If your child hit someone (I am assuming here) you would explain to your child that its not nice and appologize to the parent (or whomever your child hit). I don't care if your child has ADD, ADHD, Autism, Down Syndrome, or they are just a bully. It's not an excuse to be violent to anyone and its up to the parent to make it right!
I feel bad for your situation and for the other child involved. Its not fair that they can't be friends, especially given that the violence is most certainly (on some level) related to the autism. Maybe there is a way around it. Can the girl come to play at your house? I think that they can be friends inspite of the violence issue, as long as there are boundries set and someone to watch over them. It takes both parents cooperation to make it work and sadly it seems the other mom just doesn't want to help.

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A.F.

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Hi Laurie! Please don't feel guilt about breaking the frienship up. You are doing so for the safety and well being of your daughter.
Your daughter wanting to continue the friendship is very common for a victim. I know that you don't want to hurt your daughter, but you are actually hurting her LESS by removing her from a friendship with this child.

A note about the mother...... I had a friend who had two daughters that were cruel and abusive to other kids. My son was 18 months old, trying to get away from one of the girls and the mom thought my son was pushing the girl and yelled for her to push him back! Horrible!
I didn't ever allow my son to be exposed to those kids again, due to the mom's encouragement to be violent.

Anyone who knows about Osteogenesis Imperfecta can understand your concern about her getting harmed by this other girl. You are doing the right thing!

*EDIT* Martha, her post wasn't an attack on you or any other parent of kids with autism. The child is violent and the mother encourages her. Do you know how easy it is for a kid with OI to break a bone? Give some grace to this mom dealing with a difficult situation.

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P.W.

answers from San Francisco on

This question is tough, because usually I feel kids should learn to deal with other children, and learn to stand up for themselves.

However, because of your daughter's bone disorder and the extremely STRANGE parenting of the mother - praising her children's violence! - I think you need to direct your daughter toward new friends. I don't think it's judgmental to disagree with a parent praising violence.

This other girl sounds mean and controlling. I think you need to tell your daughter that and help her find new friends. If the girl and her mother's feelings are hurt, so be it.

I completely agree with everything Diane B. said.

L.B.

answers from New York on

Good for you for getting out of this friendship and putting your daughter first. Your first priority it your daughters safety. Unfortunately, sometimes when we do what we have to do to protect our family, other peoples feelings get hurt. They will get over it. Don't feel guilty, it really is not your problem, you have a right to choose who you want in your life and your daughters life without feeling guilty about it. Just make yourself unavailable and busy and request that your daughter is in a separate class next year.

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M.P.

answers from Dallas on

I think you have every right to pull away. Don't worry about their thoughts on the subject. If anything seems bad for your child to you, you are responsible for getting it out of your life.

I had a "friend" who continually pulled me down into a DEEP depression. She has a little girl just slightly younger than my oldest and the kids really got along like sisters. Her daughter, however, is also VERY aggressive and defiant toward any rules. She is continuously breaking things, throwing things, using physical and verbal means for displaying her anger, and simply being rude with back-talk, etc. My "friend" is very also very physically and verbally aggressive when she is upset. She grabs the child's arms and I have seen her yell...and I do mean YELL...in her face a few times. She has made many life decisions that finally made me pull away as well. I can't have my children exposed to that and the effect it was having on my reactions to my own kids was unacceptable.
I have given no explanation and I don't plan to. I don't think you need to make any excuses, but only to do what is right and best for your own.

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