J.C. asks from Newton Highlands, MA on June 07, 2008
How to Train 4 Mth Old to Fall Asleep by Herself?
Our little one is almost 17 weeks old now and still cannot fall asleep by herself. Any pointers on how to get her to do so? We are about to start sleep training but I'd like to avoid the CIO method if we can (she can be stubborn) but soothing doesn't seem to calm her enough to stop crying and go to sleep so I'm not sure the Ferber method will work (where you go in and soothe when the baby cries and then keep increasing the time before you go in and soothe). She needs to be picked up to be calmed.
Here's a little more about her sleep patterns:
She has to be walked/rocked into a deep sleep before we can put her down. At night she will sleep through the night (9-11 hours) without waking up - yay...she has always been pretty good overnight once we get her down. Lately though she has woken up 3-4 times after putting her down for the night after 15-20 mins and we start the walking/rocking all over again and repeat about 3 times...but then she will go down and sleep through the night.She doesn't nap well. She typically wakes up after only 30 mins and it clearly still tired. Lately day or night she is harder to put down even with rocking/walking...she wakes right up and cries. It can take over an hour to get her down finally and sometimes she'll wake right back up after only 10 mins... this behaviour is newer and seems to be getting worse.
Any thoughts welcome!
Thanks,
J
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S.G. answers from Boston on June 12, 2008
Hi J.,
I first wrote this thinking your daughter was 17 months instead of 17 weeks. (then edited it) Read it and you will learn a lot. Right now, she will learn to fall asleep on her own if you put her to bed at the "same time" every night and make sure she is still awake. Even at 4 months, you should read to her. Then say night-night and put her in her bed. It will take some training, but if you stick to it, it will work. Now is the time to do it, because it will just get worse. Lights out. You can reasure her that she is safe by walking in there after 5 minute intervals. "Watch the clock", because 5 minutes seems like a long time when she is crying. Go in every 5 mins. but "do not" pick her up. Just tell her it's OK and to lay down.
I have 4 children grown 11, 14, 18, and 19 yrs old. My children always went to bed and fell asleep on their own. Even when they were in their cribs. The key is to put them to bed every night at the same time. 1)You need to have a routine! and stick to it if you want it to work. Set the timer on the clock if you have to. 2) Sit with her and read for about 15 minutes. When she is older enough to be in a bed of her own, sit in her bed to read. 3)Then Lights out (including night lights) and go out of the room. She will eventually get the routine down and fall asleep on her own. 4)Consistancey is the key. It will work!
Remember one thing too. They don't have to fall asleep, but they "do" have to go to bed on time. You can tell them that as they get older too. They don't know it, but they will fall asleep eventually and on their own.
P.S. Make a vow to yourself to read to her "every" night before she goes to bed. Don't stop when she gets older either. It will be the best thing you can ever do for your child. When she gets older, talk to her about how her day went. My children are 19, 17, 15, 11 and it would take me over an hour to put them to bed at night by myself while my husband worked overtime. I would spend between 15 mins to 1/2 hr. with each of them starting with the youngest. And I still do.
They are great children and we both have learned so much from eachother along the way.
Good luck,
S.
T.D. answers from Hartford on June 08, 2008
Hi J.,
It seems to me that she just needs to get on a schedule. My oldest, who is now 6, did the same thing to me. I would suggest the book " The Baby Whisperer" by T. Hog (I think that is her last name). It works on getting both you and your child on a schedule using the EASY method, EAT, ACTIVITY, SLEEP, and YOU time. It is not the FERBER method although I did use that for my youngest child to get her to sleep at night, it is a routine that you do over and over to get the child used to the schedule and it also give you that time while they nap. Read the book and try it.. I have suggested this to a lot of new mothers and they all loved it.
Good Luck
T. D.
J.S. answers from Springfield on June 07, 2008
17 weeks? She's a newborn. Way, way, way too young to expect to have the ability to soothe herself to sleep. Please don't even THINK about CIO. That's nothing but torture to a baby so young.
She needs to be held, loved, cuddled and nursed to sleep.
They are only tiny babies once, and you only get one shot to do it right.
Hi, I'm editing to add, I saw someone recommended the book "Babywise". DO NOT use this book. It is commonly known in AAP circles as a "Guide to Child Abuse and Neglect". The AAP has publicly condemned the author, Gary Ezzo, because his methods lead to starvation, dehydration, malnourishment, failure to thrive, and disconnection between child and parent. All churches that he has been involved with have fomally separated ties because he is just that evil.
For the low down go to www.ezzo.info
G.M. answers from Boston on June 07, 2008
Hi there. Sleep training is SO hard!!! I have done it myself, and now my 7 month old wants to get up at 4am and play. UGH.
But it did take us a while to get her to sleep on her own and extend her naps. Yesterday she took long naps, today short ones.... sigh....
So, anyways, try leaving your baby IN her crib, but lie your torso down next to her, repeat sh-sh-sh over and over and pat her belly or her back in a rhythmic way. Leaving her in her crib until she fast asleep is key. Also, go ahead and rock her a bit so she is sleepy, but put her down semi-awake. When she starts to cry, do the sh/pat. There is a great description of this in the book - The Baby Whisperer Solves all your problems.
You'll have to be consistent and do it for all naps and bedtime, and night wakings and she will learn. If you keep resorting to rocking her to sleep, then the new way will not work. It takes patience and time!
Also, 30 min naps is a sign of being overtired. How often do you put your baby down to nap? A 4 month old usually can't stay awake more than 1.5-2 hours at a time. If she is awake for 3-4 hours she is not rested enough to stay asleep.
Babies also jolt at 10 minutes into their sleep. Watch her and you'll see it! If they are overtired, they cannot sleep through the jolt - it will wake them up. Once your baby is more rested she may just start taking longer naps.
There is something called Wake To Sleep (something I wish I knew about when my little one was 4 months old!). Basically what you would do is, at the 25 minute mark tip-toe into your baby's room, brush her cheek or rub her head very gently to BARELY wake her. Too much and she'll wake up all together. If you are not sure if you stirred her enough, give it a minute and try again. You are trying to start another sleep cycle. This may help you get your baby more rested so sleep training is easier.
I am not a big fan of CIO either. I have been tempted myself to stop the 4am wakings, but will try some other things first! But my little one is over 7 months old, 4 months is still young. Give her some time to learn to sleep and you won't have to let her CIO.
Last tip - once my baby was calm but awake, or just fussing, sometimes I would leave the room to see what happened. Sometimes she got hysterical so I would go back in to her, but other times she would just go to sleep! Sometimes she would just fuss. and I would let her fuss until it turned into crying, or she would just go to sleep. This worked best in the middle of the night when she was already sleepy and groggy.
I hope this helps. Feel free to contact me with any questions. I'm no expert, but it sure helps to have someone help you with sleep training.
R.K. answers from Springfield on June 07, 2008
If she likes the movement of rocking they make a thing that hooks on the crib that vibrates which could help. My son liked listening to ocean waves when going to sleep but you can also try classical music or different nature sounds that create a soothing environment. She's only 4 months old so there is nothing wrong with her getting rocked to sleep just start a bedtime routine and keep consistent. I give my son a bath, put his pjs on, cuddle him while a sing a lullabuy and then lay him down. The consistency seemed to have helped learn to fall asleep.
N.D. answers from Boston on June 08, 2008
My guy doesn't always sleep well, but what we found that helps is to have music playing fairly often at a low volume. Mostly like Beatles, Billy Joel, fairly calm but good music. Anyway if he wakes up once he is asleep he hears the music and knows he is safe and where he was left. He doesn't feel lost or left because when he fell asleep there was music and when he woke up there was music. It has been very helpful.
We also found a mobile to be very helpful. If he is not very sleepy we turn on the mobile and give him a few quiet minutes alone with the mobile. Sometimes he will fall asleep while talking/playing with the mobile. That sets a very good precedent for the next time.
Oh, and the routine before bed was super helpful. We do bath/book/boob before bed, same time, every night (mostly). With consistency, now after a bath, even in the day, he will take a long nap.
R.H. answers from Boston on June 08, 2008
I would strongly recommend "Healthy Sleep Habits, Happy Child." It's a terrific book that gives suggestions for starting your child on a schedule in their 4th month. The author (a physician) gives a good argument for why the 4th month is a good time to start sleep training. Even though my baby is only 3 months old I have started to take suggestions from this book, and have noticed a world of difference.
H.J. answers from Boston on June 08, 2008
My son is now 20 weeks and at 16 weeks his sleep pattern changed. He used to sleep 5-7 hours straight since week 7. The entire month of May he slept 3 hrs, 2hrs and then 1 hr for the rest of the night. So this week, I was desperate and called the nurse at his Dr's office asking about the CIO method. The nurse said he's too young for CIO. To soothe him however I can when he wakes up and obviously can't be hungry. Feed him if I think he's hungry. She also reminded me not to expect anything to stay the same regarding sleep or feeding that he may be in a transition or growth spurt. So, we are now using music all night long to help him go to sleep and stay asleep. I am also not jumping up every time he cries...not letting him cry it out just gaging how upset he is...occasionally he will go back to sleep. Also, we are using the swing for naps as he wasn't a good napper either and he will get 1& 1/2 to 2 hours in 2x a day. So two nights into my new methods and he's sleeping 3 hours straight...better. I hope that helps a little. Good luck getting back to work.
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