L.P. asks from Minneapolis, MN on October 18, 2010
Help Teaching 24 Year Old Daughter (With a 6 Mo. Son) to Live Within Her Means.
What can we do to impress upon my 24 year old daughter the importance of budgeting and not spending money foolishly. My youngest daughter is 24 year old and has a 6 month old son. She is not married. My daughter dropped out of college after 3 years and is now working as an assistant manager in a convenience store. We have been paying her college loans, car insurance, car expenses, health insurance, and transferring money from our accounts to help her out. This has been going on since she graduated from high school, while in college, and continues. We are ready to retire and would like to retire knowing that she will be able to support her son and live responsibly. We have talked to her about her spending habits and the importance of living within her means. We havbe tried to teach her to budget, show her where she can cut corners, but she continually spends beyond her means ($100 dress boots, weekend bar binges). We have helped her out so much and she is not appreciative whatsoever.
I know we shouldpractive "tough love" and just not give her any more money, but I worry that she will write bad checks and really get herself into trouble and lose her son. I just don't know what to do!
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G.T. answers from Bakersfield on October 18, 2010
Yikes. You basically crippled her by paying her bills for her and now she has a baby too.
I hate to say it, but you have to stop. If you've promised to pay her school loans continue to pay those for her but tell her that you are tapped out otherwise and she has to make a budget and stick to it.
We love you daughter dear but we can't afford you anymore.
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C.R. answers from Kansas City on October 18, 2010
Christmas is coming up, I would get her into a Dave Ramsey Financial Peace University class. It costs one hundred dollars for the class, but it is well worth it. If you do not want to do the class, he has lots of books you can buy. The Total Money Makeover, and FPU books are awesome. Just remember, if she does not want to change, she won't. You need to quit enabling her to spend crazy money. She is depending on you coming through every time, so she does not think a budgert is important.
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B.J. answers from Rochester on October 20, 2010
I know that you have gotten a lot of great responses, but I thought I would add my 2 cents in. I am 28 and have 2 boys and a girl on the way. I have a hubby to help support us, but kids are very expensive so we still find it hard to make it!! My parents have helped us out a lot, but in a different way. When Hyvee has there one day big sale my mom will buy the pudding that’s only a buck or the toilet paper that is on sale. Once for an early Christmas present to my husband and I she bought us a really great vacuum cleaner (with 2 boys we really needed a good one :) So while she is still helping us out, it is with things that are useful and she maybe spends 10 bucks a month, so it is not that much and the kids call it there treats they get when we go visit grandma and grandpa:)Good luck I hope things get better!
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M.J. answers from Sacramento on October 18, 2010
She needs to learn the consequences of her actions. Tell her you're preparing to retire and can no longer support her. At 24, you shouldn't be paying any of those expenses for her. If she writes bad checks and gets into trouble, she'll learn from it. She's an adult now and you've done your job raising her. It isn't tough love to cut her off ... she's not 16 after all ... she's all grown up and needs to manage her family, including financial matters, herself.
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D.B. answers from Charlotte on October 18, 2010
Why should she learn to manage her money when you pay for any and everything? Good gracious, you have let her learn the lesson that money grows on the parent tree. What do you expect to happen when you enable all her spending habits, especially considering she didn't bother to finish college and get her degree?
The college loans belong to her. The visa card bill belongs to her. All the bills belong to her. So what if she writes bad checks! The ONLY way to teach her is to say NO MORE to financing her spendthrift ways. Do you want her future marriage to end in a disaster when her husband finds that she spends his paycheck on designer boots, and then some? Get angry with her, L.. She is acting like a 16 year old and you just can't permit it anymore on your dime. Let her learn the HARD lesson before she's ruined for the rest of her days by mom and dad bailing her out of LIFE.
Sending you strength and resolve to do the right thing...
D.
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M.B. answers from Milwaukee on October 19, 2010
The problem is she doesn't need to live within her means because you guys are teaching her that you will always pick up the slack. You are loving parents and trying to keep her head above the water, and this is admirable in itself, but unfortunately your daughter is taking advantage of it and as long as your financial life-line continues, so will her irresponsibility. As easy as it is to write and as hard as it is for you to actually do, you must cut the "financial cord." I think deep-down you probably know this but you're too afraid of the consequences for your daughter. She will take responsibility, I promise you! But not until she "needs to."
So, first stop transferring money into her account immediately. Second, stop paying for gas and auto repairs. Then start cutting your other life-lines. Help her find cheap car insurance and give her an "end date." Next, she needs to get a job that offers health insurance! She has a college degree - in fact, would you be willing to pay for part of her college loans? Agree to pay for half or similar if she gets a new job with health insurance in 6 months. With management experience she's a good candidate for a stable office job. Find a recruiter.
I used to be pretty frivolous with financial responsibility until I lost my job and had our daughter. Our household income was decreased by 2/3. I was forced to take a hard look at our finances and with the help (and obstinance!) of my husband, we cut out the unnecessary expenses and are doing fine. In fact, I LOVE being frugal and am proud of myself! Who would've known? But it took a wake-up call for me just like it will take one for your daughter.
You are great parents, and acting out of love, but you also need to go the extra mile and instill in your daughter the independence that she is lacking. Best of luck!
ETA: I just re-read your post and realized your daughter doesn't have her degree. Stop paying for her loans! Don't reward her or let her feel justified in not finishing. She didn't finish, so you shouldn't pick up the slack until she does. She can work and finish school. In fact there are scholarships for single moms who are finishing degrees which would mean she wouldn't increase her student loan load.
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M.R. answers from Chicago on October 18, 2010
Quit being her financial safety net and she'll (hopefully) learn really quickly to live within her means.
She hasn't lived within her means because, well, she hasn't HAD to - you always bail her out! Give her a deadline as to when she will be cut off so she can start to plan to financially support herself.
If she is incapable of doing this on her own, then she needs to feel the pain of either writing bad checks and living with the consequences OR making the decision to feed her child and pay her rent while skipping those cute boots.
Stop enabling her and she'll figure out how to live within her means. Until then, she'll have no reason to stop blowing her money.
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M.L. answers from Houston on October 18, 2010
When I had my first daughter as a single mom in my early twenties, the deal was that my parents would give me a place to stay for a while, but, by 18 months, I better be "on my own." I had to buy all my groceries, pay my own insurance, buy everything for my daughter, my car note, EVERYTHING except rent to my parents. I worked part-time at a department store, and, my mother forced me any day I was off to be looking for a better job. They never baby-sat for me, ever, so, no way I would have weekend bar binges. My parents just sat me down and told me how it was gonna be, and that is what you need to do to her. Tell her to grow up. Did it hurt me? Sure. Did it force me to grow up? You bet. Now, a husband and three kids later, my parents still do not baby-sit for me. I don't run to them anytime I need help. Them forcing me to be on my own by the time my daughter was 18 months taught me a lot. I had a great job by my mom forcing me to keep looking. By the time I moved in with my husband, I was making $65k a year with bonuses, on just 3 years of college. So, do it. Will she have some troubles? Sure. She will either fail or succeed. But, chances are, if she loves being a mom, and loves her baby, (which is most important), she will find a way to impress you and herself. Right now, she knows she can get away with it. Thus, she will continue to do so until you tell her you are done with it. As my mom told me, I chose to spread my legs and make it happen, so, it was my choice to take care of the baby and grow up. Good luck!
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B.B. answers from Missoula on October 18, 2010
Oh my gosh, you are paying for everything and wondering why she isn't learning to be responsible with her money? Here is the answer: she doesn't have to. You have totally insulated her from the consequences of her actions, why would she do anything differently than what she is doing right now?
My mother, who is nearly 50, is still living beyond her means, buying what she likes and then waiting for her parents to bail her out. They always do. You heard me say she is quickly approaching 50, right? Is that what you want to be doing for your daughter 25 years from now? At some point this "helping" starts to keep your child from growing up and doing for herself. At that point you are hindering, not helping, and I'd say you have past that stage. Stop paying her way, let her screw up, if that's what she is going to do. If you want to help her offer her some insight and advice about budgeting, but no more cash, and no more paying her bills. She's big girl, let her show you.
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M.R. answers from Phoenix on October 18, 2010
Are you really serious about making a financial change? She doesn't need to live within her means - she has you to fall on every step of the way. She has you wrapped around her finger so tight, and she probably uses the grandkid as a way to keep it that way.
Unfortunately you have raised a spoiled and ungrateful daughter, and I just can never understand why grateful ole me did not luck out in that department. Money always brings out the worst in people so until she doesn't have any, she won't need to make one darn change.
My recommendation: you and soon to retire hubby come up with a strict budget for yourselves first. Take care of your own future needs and IF there is something leftover, it is put into a trust for the grandchild when he turns 25. You could consider giving her a small financial sum on special occaissions, but she needs to know the purse strings are being cut. Give her a heads up, perhaps 3-6 months out that all will be changing, and here's the date that you will be taking over all of your own financial needs.
I am utterly speechless that you have helped her out with car insurance? health insurance? and she's out partying....??? Where do parents draw the line - right there. She has shown a complete lack of respect for how hard you and your husband have worked and saved for yourselves.
I'd also google Suze Orman and buy any of her books, used from Amazon.
This life style she has created with your help is not sustainable, and you both know it. Stop it now. You can do it.
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A.B. answers from Minneapolis on October 19, 2010
i am 24 years old as well. i have a 7 and a 3 year old. i have been married for 4 years but i've been with my husband for 8 years. i was living the way your daughter lived. i am a compulsive buyer and i shop to make myself feel better. i didn't have much growing up and i was never taught how to budget or save. in the last year, my husband and i have lost our house to foreclosure. we are now renting and i have decided that i cannot let this happen to my family again. my mom has offered to help me come up with a budget but she is so nosy i don't want her knowing my money business. she still pays for my cell phone and one of my student loans. i took it upon myself to buy dave ramsey's total money makeover. it really helped me to see first of all how bad our situation is. we wouldn't be able to cover our asses if my husband didn't get a paycheck one week. and second of all how important it is to have a cushion of emergency money in the bank and paying your bills on time. my advice would be to cut your daughter off of some of the things you are paying for. not all of them because she might not be able to even feed herself and her son. your best investment would be to set her up with someone (not yourself-someone who isn't going to judge her) to help her set up a budget so she can realize she is not living within her means and she could lose everything if she keeps buying $100 boots and splurging at the bar. let her suffer a little and have to scrape together money to go to the grocery store. she'll start realizing that those boots aren't so important anymore. the boots she already has will do. my biggest thing is paying with cash. i have a $100 a week budget for food and last night i spend 60 of it at the grocery store. i know i can go out to eat with the rest or i can go to the grocery store and get the rest of the things i need. it's my decision what i do with it but i want to make the decision that will benefit my family the most. she will mooch off of you for as long as you let her. it will be hard to watch and she will probably be very upset with you for cutting her off, but don't cut her off without getting her the help she needs first. make sure she can afford her rent, car, groceries and bills. if not, maybe she needs to move or sell her car or live without cable. you don't want her to lose everything, just realize what it means to live within your means. but if she has all the information and can see on paper she can afford to live without some things (like the bar and some new boots) and chooses to spend money elsewhere and loses everything, that's something she will have to live with and deal with. you want her to be an independent woman that can take care of herself and her son. she should want that too. in the long run, she will be ver thankful that you cared about her and her son to teach her a very important life lesson.
i also want to add i was writing bad checks for a long time. it seemed so easy if i can't afford it now, i'll just write a check. besides, the money doesn't come out for a couple days. well i got caught and had to attend an all day class. you would not believe all of the people that were in that class. i got a lot of good information but didn't take it seriously. i wasn't ready to make a change in my life. i thought the way i was living was fine. she has to struggle and be sick of being broke before she does something about it.
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