A.R. asks from Park City, UT on April 09, 2008
Help, I Am So Lost
My Husband of 5 1/2 years recently told me he was gay and he wants a divorce. He told me last week and he wants to push the divorce through as fast as possible. we have two girls almost 4 and one, and I have several questions, how do I handle this with them? how do we aproach the subject of dad moving out without makeing it more tramatic than it has to be? another thing, I would love to make the divorce as painless as possible, and he is willing to give me anything I want, but I don't know the legalities of custody, child support, spousal support or anything like that. I would like to avoid a lawyer if at all possible but I want to make sure my girls are taken care of. We don't have any property and we don't have a lot of money, I just am so lost and have no idea where to go next. I have heard that there are states that will help single mothers with school and day care and bills and things like that but i have no idea how to access those, if anyone has any advice or any websites I could look at to become more informed about the whole divorce process I would really apreciate it. If any one has any help on how to pick my self up and move on, I would really love that too.
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S.B. answers from Salt Lake City on April 10, 2008
A.,
There is a number that provides help for any problem that the state could help you with and it's 211. They can give you a direction that might help. I would be careful about not getting an attorney just because there are so many things you might not think of and they can help you with those. There is also a group for people married or divorced from gay spouses called The Evergreen Group. I believe it is run through LDS Family Services. Although, I don't think you have to be LDS to attend. They may have helps about what to tell kids and how to manage personally. I hope this helps, I am so sorry for all the challenges you are trying to juggle. S.
S.B. answers from Denver on April 10, 2008
call Univ of Denver Law School. Ask if they provide attorneys
from their law school who could counsel you. State just what you have typed here. S.
C.C. answers from Cheyenne on April 10, 2008
department of family services, child support office they are listed in the phone book under state offices or federal.
Some lawyers have free consultations and you may be able to get help with legal expenses too.
the two offices mentioned should be able to help you out the most... they also should be able to point you in the right direction of school aid and various other helps.
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S.R. answers from Colorado Springs on April 09, 2008
A.,
I'm so sorry this is happening to you! I am not a proponent of staying together for the kids. This is a complete false statement; kids know what is going on around them, they sense it. My husband's parents divorced when he was 24 ad he was relieved. He and his younger brother knew that his parents were in an unhappy marriage from the time they were itty-bitty. They were both angry that their parents stayed together because they heard arguing, even though it was never done in front of them, and other issues.
You both can be the best role models for your children by going on with your lives, getting along amicably, and loving your children. They'll be happier knowing that you were the best mom you could be by choosing to live a happier lifestyle. It will be rough, but you will get through it!!!
Look in the phonebook under women's programs/resources. Many times an area has legal help for free or reduced rates for moms in these situations. There are also other organizations that will help you in the transition.
Best of luck to you!
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M.S. answers from Denver on April 13, 2008
Dear A.,
This must be a very difficult time for you. If I were you, I would contact (among other people), PFLAG. That stands for Parents and Friends of Lesbian and Gay (people). They have all been through situations similar to yours and have support groups. I would think they could also recommend lawyers and other helpful people.
Peace, M.
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D.T. answers from Boise on April 10, 2008
Oh my gosh...I am so sorry! I could go on and on about how awful I feel for you, but I will get right to the point here, and see if I can be of some help. Never had to deal with that kind of emotional "change" in a person, but I have dealt with the separation, rearing up a child by myself alone for a while, and getting help through the state and such. First of all, take him up on whatever he can give for you. Not to be selfish, but he is being selfish, and he needs to make sure before he walks out that door, that you and your wee ones are provided for and taken care of. You SHOULD get a lawyer, but there are ways you can do this by yourself. I know in Idaho, there are forms you can get to draw up the papers yourself. Or you can get on the internet and get them. I know from experience, if you do this right the first time, you wont need to keep changing things and spending money you don't have. Think VERY CLEARLY about the physical things you and your kids need, and get them. And do not let him walk out of this without paying child support. Your kids will need it, and he is LIABLE for that. Don't be "soft" . You can be nice, but state the grounds matter-of-factly, and strongly. Don't cut him down, or give your kids any unnecessary information. The less they know, the better. They are way too young. It is okay they know you are sad. But be careful there. Yes, I think it is absolutley insane and sick that your husband has chosen this route, but he is still thier father. And they have the right to have him in thier lives no matter what he has done. They will decide later how they feel, and figure it out. And your instincts will guide you as to what to say, how to say it, and when. This is the most important thing. Once you put them first in your mind, you can get through this. (and i know breaking down is going to happen, it is OKAY to cry and get mad) You need to protect them so they stay "healthy". This is so stinking hard on them, and it usually comes from HOW the divorce was handled and what the parents said or did. On one hand, you are lucky they are so young. I think it is harder on older ones. Your oldest will feel the effects the most. And it can affect them later depending on how you and your husband handle this. Set your ground rules NOW. And stick to them. Do the right thing no matter what. (sometimes this is very hard!) And do not tolerate ANY thing from him that you don't feel comfortable with. (for instance, his "boyfriend" around them, or whatever if you don't like it, don't let it happen.!!) He needs to know that they don't need to learn about the other "man" so to speak, or ANY info like that. Put your foot down NOW. But you both will need to watch what you say and do in front of them, and be oh so kind. It will be okay to let your oldest know "daddy will be living somewhere else, but he is still your daddy, and you can visit!" Be VERY positive. Girls reflect the emotions of mommy!!!! AND:!!!:
Call your Health and Welfare program for your state. They will get you in the right direction. (support, medical attention, food ect) And it sucks. I had to do it for FOUR years, but you can do it. Until you get on your feet, it is okay. This is for your kids. AND YOU. If you worked before, keep plugging along, and get some support from friends, church, whatever you need, and move on as best as you can. There are some lawyers who can and will represent you for almost nothing, or for free. Unfortunately, i didn't hear about that until after I spent ALOT of money. So i am not sure where to start there. Ask around, and or hopefully someone on here can give you a number or website. PLEASE PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU THINK IT THRU FIRST BEFORE YOU SET ANYTHING IN MOTION. If he is willing to agree with custody and such, get your way. I personally think your girls are too young right now to do any "overnites" or long visits. You should have sole custody ( I feel) and let him have some days to take them somewhere special once in a while. Or however you feel will benefit your girls. You can always re-visit that issue when they are older. My oldest is twelve, and even the every other weekend with her daddy becomes too much for her. She cries sometimes. But it is necessary he be in thier lives! Girls need dads. But your girls will also need a good role model, so you may have to recruit family members to help with the role modeling. My main concern for you right now is you and your kids. You can get through this, I know you can. Please don't be afraid to ask friends for some moral support, or even a hand with the wee ones. Those who love you will open thier arms right up.
I actually went to counseling for a while (thru the state!) and i couldn't believe how helpful it was. Just to get it off your chest to someone who is totally non-involved in this situation can help you see things better and move forward. Try not to look back. But also allow yourself time. Time to REALLY feel thru this and pull it all out. If you bottle it up, it will just surface again later. Trauma always does until it is dealt with. I feel sorry for your husband. His role as part of our Heavenly Father's plan is being blinded by his own selfish desires. You don't need to condone his behavior, nor his actions, but you don't need to support it either. NOR like it. This is his choice. Let it be his consequence. You are a mother, and i am sure a good one, and you are not alone!!!! Pray for guidance.
I wish you the best, and I hope I helped you a little. I know I rambled for quite a bit, sorry...:(
Take care of yourself and your kids.
Sincerly, Lisa
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R.D. answers from Grand Junction on April 11, 2008
A.....I do not have legal advice to give you. I do want to say first...I will be praying for you. And, God will help you. Ask Him. Ask Him for every detail, every minute of your day. He will bring what and who you need to you to help. Do not rush. Take your time. Right now, life is awful. This will pass. One day this will be history. You will get through this...with God's help. He will become real to you. One day you will smile again. I am praying, and so are others.
J.P. answers from Casper on April 10, 2008
Get a lawyer - because you never know... The cost will be worth it. There are many places where you can get free law help from a non-profit. they are named different things depending on where you are. IT is so heartbreaking to find out the person you love has been lying to you - do something theraputic, like burning a photo of him, or something. That helped me when my man lied to me. Anyway get a lawyer. It is worth it.
J.L. answers from Pocatello on April 10, 2008
I am so sorry. This must be very difficult for you. I don't know much about child care, but I do know a bit about protecting yourself financially. If you have any debt, like a car payment or joint credit cards, you MUST get your name removed from the credit cards and any loans that you are not going to be responsible for. Many women think that because their husband got one car in the divorce they are not responsible for it anymore. This is absolutely not true. If your name can be linked to that car in any way you are financially responsible for it if he doesn't make the payments. This happened to my sister in law and she ended up having to declare bankruptcy to keep the creditors from taking money from her and her new husband's checking account to pay for her ex-husband's bills. The best move, as far as credit cards go, is to cancel all of your credit cards and close all bank accounts that you have with your husband to make sure you cannot be connected with him financially in any way. Good luck and I wish you all the best.
B.M. answers from Salt Lake City on April 11, 2008
Hi A.,
You have already received more advice than you could possibly wade through but I have one more thing to add. You can file your own divorce online. Go to the utah courts site (search it, I don't know the address any more) There is an online filing system that takes you step by step through the basics of child support and custody. You can type it all out and if you both agree you can file it for about $200. The site will figure out child support amounts for you based on the income you enter. It was also helpful for me to meet with an attorney for a consultation. It cost me $50 and she gave me some helpful info. There is also a legal aid group inside the downtown courthouse that can help you.
As far as your kids go can I just say that the best advice I received was when someone said "If the adults are okay the kids will be okay" (Even though I'm sure you are not feeling great right now)Show your little ones that it is okay to be sad but that you and their Dad are still okay and that you will still be their parents just in 2 different houses. When they are older you will have bigger issues to tackle but at their young ages that is all they need to know now. Just that they and the parents they love are still safe and okay. And once you decide on a visitation schedule, stick to it as much as possible until the kids are older. My kids really needed that predictability in their weeks. By doing all of those things in my life I believe we made a normal life for my girls even in a divorced situation.
Good luck to you. I guess I had more than one thing to add. You can certainly see from all of the postings that you are not alone.
B.M. answers from Pocatello on April 10, 2008
First Thing get your own lawyer. I know it makes it sound like you are in a BIG DIRTY fight but you are now. Your lawyer will answer any questions that you might need answered. Next just because your married relationship is at an end dont let that affect your friendship if poss. Your children will see this and it will help with the change in life.
B. M
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