K.K. asks from Keller, TX on October 19, 2007
Dogs, Cats, and Young Children
So I will try to make this very long story into a shorter one. We have a 2-yr old and 4-yr-old. So at the beginning of the summer we rescued a terrier mix from the Humane Society. Had that dog 3 wks and determined that she had an aggressive streak (and plus she was very itchy and had some sort of skin thing which in turn really irritated my allergies) and was not suited for a home with small children. Found her a new home and then decided to get the dog that I'd be researching and wanting for a long time, a Havanese. So brought home the puppy and they are not supposed to shed, which would be great for my allergies. Had her 2 wks and realized that she was shedding...there is a recessive short-hair gene and, lucky us, we ended up getting one of the ones that shed. So the breeder still had one more puppy that was a non-shedder and after agonizing over the decision, we decided to go ahead and trade the shedding dog for the non-shedding since that was one of the main reasons we decided to get that breed (well, that and the fact that they were supposed to be great with kids). Well, apparently we have a bad combination of a 4-yr old boy that just cannot respect boundaries and a dog that won't tolerate it. You would think my son would learn because the puppy has snapped at him and he still is too crazy around the dog. (Yes...we supervise the interaction between dog and children, but are having a hard time with my son learning the rules on appropriate behavior with a dog.) We have been given many warning signs from the puppy so I know I would never forgive myself if somebody really got bitten. Tonight my 2 yr old fell on him and the puppy lunged right for my daughter's face. Thank God there was no actual bite. I understand that the dog is just trying to protect himself, but I have to protect my kids above all else, so we just feel like this puppy would do so much better in a home with no kids or kids that are much older...don't you think? And one more thing about dogs...we may just have a really high standard because we had a golden retriever when my son was an infant and those are the most gentle dogs in the world.
So, my kids really love cats and that is what they truly wanted in the beginning, but my husband wouldn't really go for it because he's just more of a dog person. So now we're thinking we should have just gotten a cat. I haven't had a cat though since I was a little girl so I'm needing feedback on whether or not this would be a good idea, given the previous situation. If we do decide to get a cat, we will definitely be waiting a while. But I was curious what experience people with young children have with cats or kittens. I just really don't want to make another really bad decision here!
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Wow! Have some of you ever heard the term..."if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all?" Seriously people. Thanks for kicking a girl when she's down. I already feel bad enough for the circumstances, and I didn't post this hoping to get personally attacked for my decisions. The whole point was to get feedback so that I would NOT make another bad decision...as I stated.
For the rest of you, thanks for all the responses. As far as the allergies go, I had allergy testing done a while back and they determined that I am allergic to dogs, not cats. At first I thought they had it wrong because I had always been around dogs and didn't think I was allergic. But once they told me that, I started paying attention and realized...oh...so this is why I always feel like I have a cold. It's because I'm allergic to this dog that's sleeping with me every night. No, I have not had the kids tested for animial allergies yet. My chiropractor is currently treating me for food allergies and other environmental allergies, and I did learn he can also treat me for dogs. So knowing that I can be treated, we may end up getting another golden retreiver in a few years, as we know that those are the best dogs in the world. When I was a little girl I had an outside cat that we would be petting very gently and then suddenly she would just attack. We never did understand why she was like that because it was never provoked. Anyway, I just wanted to hear some other input on cats because my kids love them so much (as did I when I was young). We knew we were definitely going to be waiting a while before we maybe try again (or maybe not!) on any kind of pet, but all of your responses have helped in determining the amount of time we need to wait.
Thanks!
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K.S. answers from Dallas on October 21, 2007
I have had cats most of my life. We had two cats when my son was born.(He is almost 3 now). They were more scared of him and stayed out of his way. We lost one of the cats(he died) when my son was about 9 months old. We got a new kitten in May and my son loves him. Yes he does have razor sharp claws, but he has never used them on my son and my son carries him around, puts him the stroller, carries him in the laundry basket. When the cat has had enough he leaves and hides. The short-haired one definitly sheds less than the long-haired one. They do bread cats for people who have allergies (they are pricey) and a friend of my actual bought a hairless cat (a little weird looking).
I have always taught my son how to treat the cats and it has never been an issue. The cats have never snapped or swiped at him.
Good Luck!
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S.S. answers from Wichita Falls on October 21, 2007
FTR, I have both - one dog, two cats, a reptile, a rodent, and several children.
My recommendation is that you stick with just children until BOTH of your children are old enough to understand animals' boundaries... then the three of you take a puppy training class together, and THEN get a dog (or a cat, or a fish, or a lizard if you prefer). My children (all but the youngest) take care of their animals with me checking behind them - but the dog was here before the kids, and she is a tolerant old soul... my four year old has adopted her and feeds and waters her every day. The cats take advantage of the top of the refrigerator and a couple of shelves that we put HIGH just for their use, and the others live in their respective owners rooms - no younger siblings allowed.
Just from the description, I think if you wait 3 - 5 years, you (and your kids, AND your pet) will have a much better experience than if you force the issue now.
Animals don't like little kids. Some of them like adults, and they're willing to tolerate the kids in order to keep getting food and water - but no animal is going to endlessly tolerate getting their eyes gouged and their tail pulled without some recourse.
S.
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J.T. answers from Dallas on October 21, 2007
K.,
We had two cats and a dog when my son was born. He loves them all. He is two now and we have no issues with him and our cats. If he starts to aggravate them they just run for higher ground where he can not reach them. (nice thing about being a cat you can always get away lol.)We have two snowshoe siamese cats which to begin with are very docile. You may have an issue with the hair though. Most cats I think shed some. Hope this helps.
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A.O. answers from Austin on October 21, 2007
So, I am guessing this email will be ill-received, but it sounds to me that your family is not a "pet family" if your kids have trouble with dog boundries then they could seriously hurt a cat (that is much smaller). I don't know if it is about high standards, giving up too soon, or bad dog matches (3 times), but non-the less, that is a lot of pets to go through in a short time, and it seems to me that maybe you should wait until your kids are both over 5 and revisit a pet.
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S.D. answers from Tyler on October 21, 2007
Trust advice from someone who knows after the actual bite. Wait one more year and crate train a dog that is young with the children. Give limited supervised exposure for a few (3) months before turning them loose with each other. The 2 yr old will be over the terribles and the 4 yr old will be old enough to understand protecting sister. It will be worth the wait.
47 yr old grandmom who raised dogs and kids and still had a catastraphy
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A.J. answers from Killeen on October 22, 2007
i'm sorry you've had such bad luck with dogs. i don't think the dog's aggression has anything to do with your kids though. dogs should be able to be trained to tolerate kids playing roughly and invading their space, etc. have you thought about just getting a short-haired dog that doesn't shed hardly at all? i would suggest a lab, boxer, or bull breed. in my experience they are the best short-haired dogs for kids! we have a lab-boxer mix and a pit bull and they have no aggression towards our kids whatsoever. the kids can jump on them while they are sleeping, play in the dog food while the dogs are eating, get in the kennel with the dog, take toys from the dogs, etc. my 1 yr. old even bit our pit on the butt once and he didn't do anything! it is a matter of getting a dog that is bred to interact well with people, especially kids. and also, you need to make sure the dog knows that the kids are in charge as well, so the dog won't try to be their mom or dad you know? we let our kids lead the dogs around on a leash in the house to teach the dogs to obey them. we also have been teaching them a new command we phrase "watch the baby" so they know to calm down when the kids are around b/c even while playing a dog can knock a little kid down and hurt them.
when you are looking for a new dog (if you do) you need to bring your kids with you and look for aggressive signs. you should be able to touch the dog's rear end with no reaction. you should be able to open their mouth and stick your hand in. the dog should tolerate being hit by a little kid (b/c it takes time to teach a kid to be gentle).
i would suggest doing lots of homework on dog breeds and their interaction with kids before you choose another dog. i hope this helps! i never had dogs as a kid and i think dogs are such wonderful pets for my kids to have to teach responsibility, compassion, and leadership
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K.F. answers from Dallas on October 20, 2007
K.-
A cat will shed as well...won't that bother your allergies? My opinion...get an older dog from a shelter. In my experience (I'm a Pet-Sitter and dog owner) Puppies and small kids are not a good mix. Plus a puppies personality can change as it grows. With an older dog what you see is what you get. We adopted a Beagle from a rescue about 7 months ago and it has been the BEST DOG I have ever had. I have a two year old who does not always understand how to be gentle and our dog is wonderful with him. We looked in shelters for months and when we found our dog we spent a good hour playing with her to see how she would react to our son. Hope this helps, good luck.
K.
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S.C. answers from Dallas on October 21, 2007
I agree with the other moms who said to wait until your children are older. Some cats can be agressive. You can't necessarily tell from one or two visits to the shelter. Cats that have been declawed can bite when defending themselves.
We have two cats that we rescued a few years before our daughter was born. One hides when my daughter is awake (she's 3 now) and the other tolerates my daughter's active personality. But the one that tolerates my daughter has still scratched her a few times in defense. It doesn't matter how much supervision you provide (we're overly protective parents), the child can lunge at the cat within a moment and the scratch can take place before you can intervene. My cousin (who is now 35) had a cat claw get stuck in her lower eye lid when she was a toddler, so I monitor my daughter around the cats at all time and have taught her what is/isn't appropriate behavior.
Good luck with your decision.
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A.L. answers from Beaumont on October 22, 2007
K., I noticed that in a earlier post someone suggested Aussie's I have had 4 Australian Shepherds and I would highly recommend them. They don't shed that much and you can get them shaved if the long hair bothers you. We got our first one when our daughter was about 14 months and she chased that dog around. Mind you the dog was already over a year old and raised in a abusive home. But she forgave I guess because she would just sit and lick our daughter. Our daughter would climb all over her and pull her fur and ears and tail and pull her mouth apart and she would just lick her or roll over and let her play on her tummy. Since then we have had 3 more added to the mix and we now have another daughter and they all let her do the same. We also have a blue heeler mix and while she is loving I would not suggest getting one because while reading up I have noticed that they are ankle biters and well she does growl when she doesn't want to be messed with. But out of the 4 australian shepherd we have had...not a single one has EVER tryed to bite or snap or even growl at my girls and the 20 cousins she has....now the cats...wow yeah I wouldn't get one until your kids are older...Cats are cranky and will hiss and scratch and bite for no reason sometimes!!!
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