M.W. asks from Ferndale, MI on February 11, 2008
Discipline During Church
I have a 19 month old feisty little girl who thinks its sooo much fun to yell during church. My problem is that I need to teach when it is and isnt appropriate to be loud during church. We have a smaller church with no nursery. We also attend a pentecostal church (which can be very loud) So Im trying to teach her that during worship service and at times during the preaching its ok to yell out (when we do bc I cant expect her to be quiet when were yelling)but even then she will yell out and say "amen" or "yes" so she knows the difference there. but when its quiet or "alter call time" shes still yelling, or singing loud just for attention (bc of course EVERYONE looks when she is loud) so Ive tried time outs and taking her out and even a swat on her diaper covered behind (which im not sure is working) and I just dont know what to do. should I expect her to be quiet when we are? bc eventually she is going to learn that there is a "quiet time" but I just dont know how to approach this with her
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T.W. answers from Lansing on February 11, 2008
I think you are expecting too much from a 19 month old. I am not saying not to try to teach her, but you must give her time, it will take a while! Take some toys or coloring books to keep her busy.
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J.B. answers from Detroit on February 12, 2008
As a director of Children's Ministry and someone who loves kids I have a few ideas! Considering that you are at a church that praises the Lord with gusto, you don't necessarily want to quiet her to the point where she doesn't enjoy church or understand that Jesus wants to hear her "praise" - even if it sounds like babbling. So here are some ideas:
Pack a quiet time bag. Include coloring books, washable toddler crayons, toy cars that don't make other noises, stuffed animals, and other "quiet" toys. Hand it to her when it's time to be quiet and then pick her up and sway wtih her or whatever when you start to close the service probably wtih some songs. Have hubby scoop up the toys and put them back in the bag for the following week. She might not be perfectly quiet this week but she won't be yelling.
Whisper when you talk to her, she'll realize that you're being quieter....
Giver her a sucker! Suckers or crackers, but suckers work best and yes I realize she's a toddler but a sucker won't hurt her and you'll be watching her the entire time, and feed her during the alter time.
Pray before church, on the way to church ,and ask God to help your little one enjoy worship, know that He loves her and is excited to have her growing in her walk with Him and that she's quiet during the times she needs to be.
Smile at those people who are staring at your loud child, pray for them, and be confident enough in who you knwo God to be in and the value that Jesus places on kids to gently share with them that you know your little one is loud but you're so thankful that she's excited to be in church!
I would steer clear of too many swats or time outs because she's just little and she's seeing everyone around her excited about the service and the Lord - just what you want. While her responses might not make the big people happy, I doubt that God has a problem with it so try to keep it a little in perspective. Still encourage her to be quiet but I wouldn't stress too much about it.
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L.N. answers from Benton Harbor on February 11, 2008
She is not going to be able to grasp when it is okay to make noise, and when it isn't until she is able to fully 'get' the message during the service. Right now she is totally confused b/c sometimes it is okay to talk and sometimes it isn't. Punishing her for it is just confusing her more. You know the appropriate time to speak up b/c you understand the message from your leaders and are interacting with them...she has NO way of knowing that.
If you have no nursery, maybe this is the time to start one. God has very creative ways to show us where we are needed!
~L.
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E.M. answers from Detroit on February 12, 2008
This is tough because at this age (my son is 19 months too) they are exploring their boundaries and yelling is fun. I have read several books/articles that states that hitting or swatting their behind only teaches them that it is okay to hit, so I don't try to discipline this way (no judging here).
I am not sure that at this age they can sit through an entire church service and be expected to be quiet. Shame on the folks who stare because I am sure they have had thier own children in church before - God gave her that strong voice and she wants to use it! It is too bad there is not a nursery, perhaps you can start a co-op where every other week some parents volunteer to sit out of service and watch each others children.
I have tried to bring my son to service and he is just too "wormy".
Good Luck and God Bless
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S.J. answers from Detroit on February 12, 2008
Can I recommend a great biblical parenting book? It's called:
Shepharding a child's heart.
S.R. answers from Detroit on February 12, 2008
For discipline issues with my 4 year, our developmental ped. has given us the best advise...consistancy. I was using all different from time outs to whatever but I would only try it for a short time and it didn't seem to work. We now do time outs consistently and it only serves as a punishment for 2 offences: hitting and throwing. He understands for those he has time out and we have to do less and less of them now. So good luck...if this helped any.
J.M. answers from Lansing on February 12, 2008
Been there, done that. Keep after it. You are training her and dont give up. Some weeks are going to be good and some weeks will be awful. I had three chilren under 5 by myself in worship. You are teaching them by example that worship is important and a joyful noise from the back of the church isn't the worse thing that has ever happened. Maybe it woke an older member up!! Don't give up, don't quit going. Remember Jesus said, "Let the little children come to me". He never said they had to be absolutely quiet.
Also in time, you're children will be more respectful in school programs, concerts and other adult activities.
R.K. answers from Detroit on February 12, 2008
I have found a few pieces of advice that work wonderfully for us as a family. My husband is a Pastor, so I fly solo on Sunday morning and I often joke that even though he's working, I'm working harder alone in the pew with our 22 month old daughter!! We're expecting #2 so I'm trying to get our daughter to be a little more independent in our church experience, but I still am very much involved....here's what has worked for me:
1) Decide on your expectations...what parts can she be moving around, doing an activity not totally quiet and what parts do you want her sitting and listening without making noise.
2) Come prepared. We have a special "church bag" she would love if she could do some of those activities everyday, but we keep them special for Sunday mornings (and the occasional weekday service). Soem of the "tricks" in our bag are an aqua doodle, color wonder markers, loads of lift the flap church books, other church books (that I can sit her on my lap and whisper in her ear on a difficult day, or she can look through a normal day). I try to keep coloring books and other materials christian themed, but the aqua doodle is Sesame Street. I also switch out another toy now and again depending on a surprise...we have a magnadoodle, etch a sketch...finger puppets...a few other random things. Lately she's been into stickers and using the pencils from the pews...I keep a notebook for things like that.
3) This is the best piece of advice yet!! We found a "special treat" food that she only gets on Sunday morning. It used to be the dehydrated fruit bits from Gerber, then raisins, and now...fruit snacks. She gets those only when she is sitting on her bottom facing forward during the sermon. This is when I want her to sit quiet and not distract others around her...so she only gets them when she's sitting quiet and facing forward. She starts asking for them as soon as we enter church and I tell her...not until (whoever is preaching) stands up to talk...this works great!!
4) We also sit in the front so there are less kids around to distract her and she can see what's going on. If she gets to loud I take her out, put her in a time out and then we go back in when she's ready to listen...I do NOT let her play when she goes out of church (only in the evenings when it's past bedtime...then she gets to play b/c it's too much of an expectation).
5) Finally...I explain what is going on in the service, I tell her we're going to sing next, do you want to sing with us? I ask her to fold her hands when we're praying...I explain that we need to be quiet to let God listen to the Pastor (usually daddy)...and I tell her when it is time to say sorry to God for all our mistakes etc. I think just a simple explanation can go a long way...I whisper in her ear a simple explanation of what's going on...
Good luck!! I think it's great that you get to worship as a familiy. This is a great experience for you child and for your family...just think, it will pay off, and sooner than you think. A child has to learn how to behave in worship services and it's easier now than when she's older...I've had loads of parents tell me they wish they'd done it earlier and not put their child in the nursery. Blessings on your worship!!
M.C. answers from Detroit on February 11, 2008
It is difficult for a child so young to understand how to behave in church. Sitting through a 45 minute service for a young child can be a long time, even for some adults, it's hard. Personally, I did not take my daughter weekly to church until she was around 4 years of age because I did not want to deal with the anxiety of bad behavior or disturbing others. I know that's not always possible though. If I did take her when she was little like for holiday masses, I would usually sit way in back of the church (quick exit if she got bad) and also made sure I had something for her to do like color, favorite toy, or have a kids book handy/snack available. Those things usually work.
hope this helps!
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