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Desperate Mother Wants to Send My Daughter's Picture to Men on Internet

My mother is, um, we'll say desperate. And that's being nice. I get that she's lonely, but she seems to think that having a boyfriend will save her life and make her happy and tra la la. Whatever. Anyway, she has a decent sized chunk in my 4 year old daughter's life, and has had me take pictures of the two of them together to put on her desktop...or so I thought. Yesterday she asked me to teach her how to print out those pictures of her and my boo-boo so she can send them to "a certain someone", that "certain someone" being someone she insists she is in a relationship with even though he supposedly lives in England and they have never met. I told her I wasn't comfortable with a strange man having pictures of MY DAUGHTER and she sniffed at me and gave me a very miffed "fine". Awesome. So I've pissed off my mother, which is great because she's a total drama queen.

It gets better. Allegedly this guy will be coming to meet her in a month or something, and she's already made statements that this guy's 10 year old is going to love my daughter because she really loves kids. She also keeps telling me how much I'm going to love this guy and how I can ask him this when he gets her and blah blah blah, and it's to the point where I want to scream. I don't want to hear about it and I certainly don't want my daughter getting attached to someone who
A.) could very well not even exist
2.) not even last long in my mother's life
III.) doesn't even live here

First off, am I being unreasonable by not wanting my daughter to meet this man until I have met him and am comfortable with him? Second, is there any way to get my mother to see things realistically? Background: this is her 2nd internet relationship in the last 3 years. She more or less forced her ex boyfriend on me and my family, which I didn't appreciate, and that didn't last because the guy was a loser. She wound up making him her number one priority within months of hooking up with him, to the point where she stopped being a mother and grandmother. Her relationship before that was a 9 month long marriage in 1999 to a man she had met through a radio station singles phone line and had known for exactly 3 weeks. She left him on my advice after he started abusing us (i was 17, my sister was 14 at the time). Before that there were several dates she'd bring over for dinner and to hang out with us, but those never lasted longer than a few weeks. Before that, there was an ex-fiancee she reconnected with him about a year after her divorce from my father. the guy wound up moving in with us, wound up abusing us (i was 11 when they got together, 12 when they moved in) and then she kicked him out (I was 13). Obviously her track record isn't so good, and it boils down to poor choices and desperation on her part. Is there anything I can say to her to make her see that hey, I need to not put all my hopes in this and maybe back off when it comes to my family and their involvement? How can I make her understand that I need to protect my family before I make her happy? Am I being unreasonable and selfish, as she has said? She's pointed out that it's not like I had a string of uncles growing up so she doesn't understand what my problem is. I'm not trying to make her feel bad or anything, I just want my family and my girls to have a healthier environment as they grow up. It's not like she's a bad grandmother either, but when she finds a man she's certain she wants, she expects him to become an immediate part of the family and sunshine and rainbows yay!

Also...I'm due in July, and if she has a boyfriend who is real and actually lives nearby, I'm concerned that if I need help with anything after the baby is born (I'm having a c-section, and no thank you, I would not like any information on VBACs) she's pretty much going to give me the finger because she has a man and he comes first. This concern stems from her inability to juggle obligations, and also from her refusal to be there for me after I kicked out my neglectful, lazy, overgrown child of an ex-husband and was struggling with all the emotions that come from a failed marriage. Her argument? Her boyfriend was more important that I was. Am I being selfish to ask her to be there for me?

I appreciate any advice and insight.

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What can I do next?

So What Happened?™

Thanks for all your advice. To the people who suggested therapy, I have been in therapy for a good chunk of my life. My mother refuses to go, citing one excuse or another. I wish she would understand that her refusal to work on herself is destroying our already unhealthy relationship.
My SO and I made the decision that my mother will not be alone with my daughter until we have met this man (if he actually does exist) and are comfortable with him, or until my mother has ended the relationship. We do not trust her judgment, and worry that even though we have made it clear that she is not to be sending pictures of my daughter out she will go behind our backs and do it anyway. I also e-mailed her links on red flags to watch for when it comes to internet dating, since the guy has already asked her for money. What she does with that information is up to her, I refuse to claim any responsibility if her poor judgment results in her bodily, emotional, mental, physical, or financial damage.
As for my mom being there for me, I'm going to stop counting on it after this. I'm fairly certain my e-mail is going to set off a lot of angry accusations about what a horrible, jealous person I am who doesn't want to share her mother with a man and doesn't want her mother to find happiness, as well as have my teenage years and my mental illness (I'm bipolar) thrown in my face. I'll also get a horrible guilt trip and I'm fairly certain I'm just going to have to lay low on contact with my mom for a while. I'm hoping my SO's family will be understanding enough to help a little, and I'm hoping to ask my friends for some assistance. Also considering sending my daughter to a daycamp this summer through the park and rec in our town, so she'll have a fun activity she can look forward to before and after the baby comes.
Thanks again for the advice!

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whoo.

Before I get to the "yes you're right," I'm gonna say the one thing you are wrong about: you *are* expecting too much if you expect her to prioritize you or be there for you. Not because a daughter shouldn't expect that of her mother, but because clearly that is just NEVER going to happen for you. I'm really really sorry about that, but probably you will resent things less and open your mind to alternative answers and resources if you just admit that and let it go. (One of my proverbs to live by: Reality is that which does not change, no matter how much we want it to.)

But otherwise, you are crazy-right, she is ridiculous.

When I was dealing with my divorce negotiations, not only did all the books speak very clearly about how everything for both partners, no matter how angry anyone was, should be 100% (as much as each partner is capable of) About What Is Best For the Child(ren) ... but someone phrased it for me this way: I had to do as well as I could in the negotiation process, because I was defining a large part of the next 18 years for myself and the children.

What you choose to do, and the lines you choose to draw, WILL PROTECT YOUR CHILDREN (or won't!).

And a woman who has consistently chosen THAT poorly, will continue to do so unless she has made some radical changes ('sounds like she hasn't). The title of your query really suggests the deeper problem, which is protecting your daughter from abusers she would be taught (by Grandma) to trust.

Another piece of divorce-book advice that is very pertinent, is that the parental-type adults in a child's life should not even *introduce* the idea of a romantic partner until and unless that relationship is long term and looking stable. There are all sorts of scholarly and plain-speak explanations for the damage this *is guaranteed to do* to the child(ren) involved if their grownups ignore it ... perhaps having several 'relationship' books draw her the same line you are trying to draw might at least get her to stop blaming you for her issues. (Probably not, of course ... but it's worth a try, and you might feel better supported in your choice.)

I am so sorry your mom is so dysfunctional. When things began to really fall apart between my husband and I, I had to make a conscious effort to open up and move out into other "lesser" relationships for my support--letting go of my "ideal" (main support will be husband). It really feels like this is the same motion you maybe need to make now: she won't move with you to a healthier place, but you don't have to be trapped in her unhealthy one. You can move forward without her, and her judgments (condemnation or approval, neither are probably a good idea for you). Painful as it is, just let her go. Part of the reason things fell apart in my marriage is because I was making healthier choices (*hard* choices, growing choices) ... and even when it meant losing him, I would not renege on those decisions. I just wish he had trusted me and come along too ...

: (. It is a sad thing.

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Owwwww - how sad -- you are doing exactly the right things, A. --- she is completely out of line --- completely--- this is YOUR 4 year old - yours --- she has access to your little treasure only through you - so she needs to bite the bullet and accept that you and your nice man WILL make decisions and that's the end of it. You may find that she accepts your nice guys decisions better than yours ( not fair - but many women of that generation do accept men's ''''authority''' sooner than their ''''' childs''''' ( that's you) --- that isn't right---- but it might work. Other than that--everything you are doing is exactly correct- you are not selfish- unreasonable- you are a good Mom ( better than you had --- by a long shot -- how many men abused you?????? MY GOD --- she is so lucky you allow her access to the extent you do.) Regarding the new baby ( OH MY _ CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!!!!!) --- set up as much help from neighbors, friends- church communities - as though you knew for a fact she would not be available- and then if she IS available - it will be a plus -- sorry love- but that sounds like wisdom to me -- and no - I'd NEVER< EVER urge v-bac - --- not only is it none of my business- but as a special ed teacher --- I experienced -- as a teacher ---the effect of '''' v-bacs gone wrong'' -- no I'd never urge 'em --- never --- I know they sometimes work -- but I'd never risk it--that's just me--- .

Chicken old Mom
aka--- J.

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Oh wow, what a lot of stuff to deal with, and I do mean a lot. I feel for you.

First of all, you are NOT being unreasonable regarding your daughter and her photos. You have every right to be in control of who has access to her pictures, especially if the person in question is allegedly on another continent and a person you have not met. As you stated, your mom has a very poor track record when it comes to relationsips, and your daughter is YOUR daughter, not hers. You have every right to make appropriate decisions regarding her safety, and if your mom disagrees with those decisions, too bad.

You said your mom isn't a bad grandma, and since I don't know her, I can't say one way or another if she is or isn't. However, you are totally doing the right thing by wanting a healthier environment for your daughter than the one you grew up in, and I commend you for that. Unfortunatly, finding your way to that healthier environment may be emotionally challenging for you, because you may need to consider limiting the time your daughter spends with grandma, which may lead to hurt and unhappy feelings all around.

There is nothing wrong with you wanting to get to know your mom's lastest boyfriend before allowing him to have access to pictures of your daughter. Trust your gut instinct, because there are so many bad people on the internet. You are totally right, he may not be who he says he is, he may be dangerous, or he may not even exist. Who know?

Do what you need to do to be comfortable and to keep your daughter safe, and be ok with that. Your mopm may be angry and upset with that, but that's just the way it has to be. You are doing the right thing, really you are. Keep up the great work mom! :)

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You love your Mom because she's your Mom but it doesn't mean you have to like the choices she makes.

Your Mom has a history of male realtionships that were not emotionally or physically healthy for you and your sister. Her choices are now impacting your family.

I can't think of what you could say to your Mom to make her suddenly see the light. As harsh as it may sound, at this moment it's your Mom or your family; their emotional and physical well-being should come first.

The pain in your letter is heartbreaking. Until you work out boundaries with your Mom nothing will change.

A., it won't be easy but who said life was easy? ^j^

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Lots of great advice here already.

I think...You should decide where the line should be, talk it over with your hubby/SO, and spell it out for your mother when needed.

It really sounds like you should just plan on your mother not being of any assistance for your next baby. If she shows up (without a man in tow), love her and let her do what she's willing to. Reach out to friends to line up help with childcare, etc. for after you've given birth. (Much easier for you to make solid plans since you're a C-section.) :)

~E..

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A.,

I'm so sorry to hear about your situation. My mother wasn't as extreme, but similar when we were younger. Something happened along the way that she doesn't talk about that made her change, but it didn't happen until I was almost out of the house.

Let me start by saying that I DO NOT think that you're being unreasonable in any way. From what you've described, it sounds like you mom has some obvious issues with men and how her brain was formed to thinking that she needs one, etc. I definitely agree that you need to protect your daughter first and foremost, and would not allow your mother to share pictures with of daughter, and I would not have your daughter meet them until you're comfortable with these other people. They very well could be great people, but they also might not be.

I can see why you doubt yourself, with the reality that you grew up in, but please know that you shouldn't ever doubt feeling the need to protect yourself and your daughter. You seem like a level headed person with good instincts, and you should absolutely always trust them! I've learned several times over again that my instincts are extremely reliable, especially when it comes to motherhood.

It's hard to know what to suggest on how to approach your mom with this to get her to understand, because I don't think she will ever understand. All I can suggest to you is to keep telling her that you love her, but you have to make the decisions for you and your family that you feel comfortable with and you hope that she can respect that, whether she agrees or not. I don't know that it will help, but I really think that's about all you can do. I hope she's able to see that enough to be there for you when you need help after your c-section. If not, hopefully you have someone as a backup that you can rely on.

I wish you all the best!

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Well, first off, you guys have a very historically complex relationship that would be really really difficult to give level advice on from this request. So, acknowledging that I don't really know what I'm talking about, here goes:

You started off with a completely legitimate worry about your daughter, but then you did kind of degenerate into sounding a little jealous for your Mom's time. And my only point in saying this annoying thing is that it's best to pick your battles when you approach her and choose your manner of how you approach her so that she doesn't shut down and not listen to your concerns. Bringing up past hurts doesn't really focus on your daughter - it only serves a purpose if you really want to have in depth conversation about your childhood to get closure and for that I recommend a counselor to help mediate. So - I would focus on your daughter.

For example: "Mom, I love you and appreciate the things that you do for my daughter and me. I want you to be happy with your life and comfortable with or without someone. I truly hope that this guy from England works out and if it isn't with him, than I hope you find someone special that treats you the way that we all deserve to be treated. Now that I'm a mother as well and can reflect on the memories I want to help shape my daughter's own childhood, I am going to have to create a few new rules where she is concerned.

1-If you want to tell people you meet over the internet that you have a granddaughter, that's fine. But I do not want any photos of her sent to anyone I don't know over the internet. They could wind up anywhere for a predator to find and she deserves better than that.

2-My daughter will not meet someone until you have been dating them for an X amount of time and it will be in my presence. They will not hang out with them without either of her parents present until we say it's okay. We are her parents and it has everything to do with her safety and emotional well being and nothing to do with you."

If you focus on your daughter and make it all about her and stick to your guns, I think your point will be made. I know you are nervous about her helping you after the c-section. But, it isn't really her job to help you. And while it would be something you want and expect from your mom or good friend, it isn't fair to tell her she HAS to do anything. You are both adults now. What you can do is something like this:

"Mom, I'm really nervous about needing help with my daughter and not being able to pick her up. I'm afraid she will think it has to do with the new baby and not understand it's because of the surgery. You are important to all of us here and I hope you understand how much we have come to depend on you and will need you during this time. You are indispensable, Mom. Can I count on you to be there for us no matter what's going on in your dating life?"

Good luck - it can't be easy and certainly emotional. Best wishes.

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Hi A....you are funny! I like you! I think we have the same sense of humor. Here's my two cents...noooooooooo you're not being unreasonable keeping your kid(s) away from strange men! Your number one priority is those kids, YOUR family. I think you just say "mom I love you, I hope this works out for you, but no." Maybe after some time passed and it looks like he does actually exist or have a "relationship" with you mom, it would probably be okay if you all met in a public place (like a big group dinner at Red Robin or something) but do NOT have him over to your house (or go to her house or whatever)...you already know all that. Sadly, I think your mom is trying to manipulate you with the whole "you're selfish" routine. She must know that on some level you think twice about those statements and that's why she uses them.

Have you taken a love and logic class? That stuff works on grown ups too! lol Just say "mom I will love you no matter how hard or easy you chose to make your life for yourself" and my personal favorite "I love you too much to argue."

Follow your gut...your mom's a big girl, you're not in charge of her life or happiness. Good luck!

L. H

PS married for 12 years and a sahm to 10 and 5 year old girls.

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