Classmate Trouble???

Updated on November 05, 2010
M.L. asks from Corona, CA
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My 4 y/o son started a new preschool class in September where one of his new classmates, we'll call him "Bobby", seems to be getting in trouble every day. It never fails that at pick up time the teacher is telling Bobby's mom that it was a bad day. Every day at dinner time we sit and talk about our day and when we ask our son about how his day went first thing out of his mouth is "Bobby hit so and so", "Bobby had to sit in the thinking chair" or "Bobby was spitting". Needless to say this little boy is making quite the impression on my son.
Well last week upon pick up his teacher mentioned to me that "we may need to talk" so I waited for all other kids to be picked up and prompted a chat with her. I was informed that my son had too begun to be disruptive, (ie- pushed someone, yanked a toy away from another child and had to be put in the thinking chair). She said she had just wanted to give me a warning as to what was going on but hadn't exactly planned on talking formally to me that day, just say "we MAY need to talk"????? I thanked her for the info, mentioned the issue of Bobby, I then talked briefly to my son in her presence about his unacceptaIble behaivor that day and he apologized to her. We addressed it at home later that evening after my husband got home and againit was "but Bobby said ..........." He has been told he is no longer to play with Bobby.

My child is by no means a saint he is a typical 4 y/o that's full of energy, talks a mile a minute and gets into his share of trouble at home, but by no means carries on at home the way his teacher says he does there. What to do next??? Is it immaturity on my sons part that he is so easily influenced by this other child?
FYI He was in same preschool, different teacher for the summer program, he turned 4 the week he started this class, and this is his teachers first year heading a class, I believe she has always been an assistant. Thanks for all your wisdom mommies.

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M.M.

answers from Chicago on

You need to be a bit more specific than just say "Do not play with Bobby." Sit the child down and discuss the behavior. Make your child draw his own conclusion of what is good or bad. This is the samole of how it goes with muy 3.5 y/o:
-Do you know it is bad to take someones toy?
-Yes, but Bobby did that...
-Do you think that was a good thing?
-I don't know...
-If someone took your toy would you be happy or sad?
-Sad.
-So is taking someone's toy a good or bad?
-Bad.
-So, what Bobby did was good or bad?
-Bad.
-Do you want to do bad things to someone?
-No.
-What if Bobby does it again?
- To me?
-Maybe, or to someone else...
-I'll tell him it is bad.
This way the child will be able to evaluate the behavior for himself and will resist the bed infliuence.
Hope that helps.

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B.W.

answers from Rocky Mount on

I was a former pre-school teacher and then a kindergarten teacher and I cannot tell you how many "Bobby's" I have had in my classes that pretty much derailed and disrupted almost every activity we planned or tried to execute in the classroom. One year, instead of one child like this, I had about five of them going all at once. Considering the money I was making versus the work that I was doing, I'm sure you can imagine how it feels to be a teacher in one of these scenarios.....it stinks. However, people become teachers because we love kids, we love to teach them new things, we want to make a difference and be a positive influence in a child's life....among many other reasons. This Bobby sounds like he may not have boundaries and discipline at home and is probably not being parented very well. When he comes to school, the parenting then falls onto the teacher's shoulders because this kid does not have the structure and discipline learned from home. This is a tough issue because a teacher is really NOT the parent and if she spends most of her day dealing with poor behavior and having to redirect or discipline a child too often, it takes away from lesson plans, activities, learning moments, and one-on-one time with students as well. Kids will always act up but there is always going to be 1 or 2 who are consistently exhibiting poor choices and behavior due to poor parenting, lack of discipline at home, impulse disoders like ADD/ADHD that are not being tended to.....etc. It's always going to be there no matter what. This teacher you have may be newer but you've heard her talking to Bobby's parents and she also took the time to talk to you. She knows what's going on and is trying to communicate to the parents for help. That's what she should do. It is up to you to instill in your son that copycat behavior or "following" children that make bad choices is not acceptable in your home and never will be. Bobby needs to lose his luster real quick and needs to be an example of what not to do ......or consequences for your son need to be put in place at home. Are there any other mothers that you know and can speak to in the class? Are they having issues with Bobby too? If so, help this teacher out by setting up a parent meeting with the Assistant Principal or Principal of the school and let them know about your concerns with Bobby and that he has become a household name. DO NOT throw this teacher under the bus when you talk to her bosses. The issue at hand is the child and his parents....not her. Pre-schools and Private schools are funny because it is a numbers and dollars game. They need the numbers of kids to make money to support the school. Hence, it is often a struggle to get a Principal to remove a disruptive child from the school unless they really cause a ruckus. I know the system well and I've seen majorly disruptive kids be allowed to remain in a school for years if enrollment is lower than usual. Public school is different as they will take more action and have harsher consequences for the kids that misbehave. If you want action fast on Bobby and want to help this teacher and your son, take the issue up the ladder and if you can get other parents onboard, it will help. Tell the Principals that this kid is really presenting a problem and that you feel it is time for some intervention with the parents and the child on a higher level. Ask for a plan of action to be created and a time line on when to expect results. Also broach the subject of Bobby being removed from the school if things don't get any better within a specific amount of time. If you pay for this pre-school, you need to get action and have your child in a safe learning environment....not a behavioral free-for-all. You should then see some things being done rapidly to get control of Bobby and also get his parents doing the right things at home. Most of all, teach your son at home that there will be a Bobby in every class, every school, every job, and everywhere that he goes in life. That doesn't mean he saddles up with them and becomes a nuisance too. Lead by example.....not follow the leader. Upgrade your son's good choices and your ability to parent him correctly. Downgrade Bobby and his parents inability to teach their son how to behave. While his teacher is busy doing this all day in her class, you guys need to continue the lessons she is trying to teach at home. Keep communicating with the teacher and with your son....good luck and be prepared for all the "Bobby's" that are out there in the world. There are MANY!

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A.S.

answers from Boca Raton on

If it were me (and I had it to do over again - mine are teens now) I would not have my 4-yr old in a "pre-school."

I would want our family to be the primary influence with my children at that age.

I recognize that this is not going to be a popular response but it is my honest opinion based on my own experience with my children (both boys). I have one child who absolutely detests school, despite being liked by his peers, and being a good student and a good athlete. I believe it goes back to being in a structured school setting way too early. This is harmful to some children. Boys in particular are vulnerable, at least imho.

Good luck.

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S.G.

answers from Jacksonville on

CherryJam is right on target! You need to use Bobby as an example to your son how not to behave. What is good vs bad behavior and how to treat other kids properly.

Of course it looks like Bobby is getting all the attention in school because he is in trouble all the time and that takes away from the other kids who are being good so maybe that looks like the better option to your son then. I also think the school needs to get Bobby's mom doing more with him because if Bobby was my child, he wouldn't be acting like this in school since September!!

Good luck!
S.

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J.B.

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We had this exact problem with my 4 year old about a month ago. He was actually SO much better behaved than I anticipated when PreK started in August! We had been rolling along in PreK and his aftercare until late September, and he went NUTS! I was getting calls left and right and having to go pick him up early from aftercare -he was having crazy meltdowns, tantrums, being destructive, etc. He has not been the easiest child, so I was very upset and really set forth trying to get to the bottom of the issue -especially since this came on out of the blue! We talked to him constantly about his behavior, punished him, etc. but then a friend of mine who is often in the class and goes to eat breakfast or lunch often with her daughter in that class told me about "Jack." Jack is actually a very special needs child who never should have been in that PreK class. He arrived with no IEP or any type of supplemental info for PreK, and I don't know if his mom's head was just in the sand, but she had to know something was wrong. Anyway -"Jack" evidently had melt downs and violent tantrums the likes of nothing anyone has ever seen, and this mother told me about him and that he and my son seemed pretty tight. I had heard "Jack" a lot from my son AND I had heard a lot about how "bad" he was.

We set about immediately talking to my son about this kid and telling him he could be and should be nice to him, but he COULD NOT follow his behavior. It was ALL about attention with my son. He is an attention hog -he gets plenty of it -but he didn't like "Jack" stealing his thunder in class or aftercare! We really stressed -and still do -that he needed to be a leader, not a follower of behavior and that he needed to exemplify good behavior. We told him if he MUST follow someone else's behavior to follow his friend "Jane's" who is extremely well-behaved, and then he would get "good" attention. This has actually worked. He got it pretty quickly! Luckily the child has been moved, so that helps, but it was all about attention and he just needed it drilled into him that we expect him to lead and not follow!

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S.G.

answers from Oklahoma City on

maybe see if he or "bobby" can be put in seperate classes?

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M.P.

answers from Pittsburgh on

MAke sure that you tell the teacher to keep your son away from Bobby. If your son has never acted like this in school and is just starting to now it is probably safe to say that it is Bobbys influence. Could you possibly switch him to another class? I hate when my kids get a troublemaker like this in class-I feel it throws off the while vibe of the class. Hearing another kid get in trouble all day is demoralizing to the WHOLE class-not just the bad kid.

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H.M.

answers from Dallas on

Both of my boys did that when they went to daycare. They will pick stuff up from other kids for sure. Just remember the teacher is one person to probably at least 7 or so kids. She can't have her eyes on all of them all of the time. Just make sure he knows there are consequences to his actions. And do make sure the teacher knows you don't want them playing together. I am sure they can't keep them apart all the time but tell her to keep them apart as much as possible!!!

Good luck and God bless!

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C.B.

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It sounds like your son thinks the attention "Bobby" is getting is pretty cool. You have to show him it's not. I would ask the teacher about his behavior daily when you pick him up. If it's not up to pare, then he is punished and has to spend the entire afternoon and evening in his room. He will get tired of that and will decide that Bobby's attention isn't as great as it appeared. Also, I would put a rule in place that when he's getting in trouble, he is not allowed to talk about "Bobby." He needs to learn to accept responsibility for his own actions, and not try to place blame on someone else.

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R.T.

answers from Dallas on

I have a 4 year old son myself. He is one of the Bobby's in his class. This Bobby has a sensory integration disorder and aspergers. He has great days, not so good days and downright horrible days. I am at that school constantly making sure that my son is integrating well in the classroom. It is a very painful process but it is the only way to prepare him for kindergarten. I am blessed that this school he is at is tolerant and is working with me to ensure that my son is successful. It is a team effort.

I am sharing the other side of it because it disheartens me when people and teachers no less suggest that you should get a poor innocent child kicked out of school. This kid deserves a chance just as much as your kid does. I realize that it is hard that your kid is having trouble, but I wanted to give you another approach. Have a formal conference with the teacher and director. Ask point blank whether this is a behavioral problem or something more. Ask if the parents are involved. Find out if there are certain triggers for Bobby. Educate yourself and your child on how to handle Bobby. The more information that you gain, and the more that the parents align together postively for all children in the room, the better the situation will get.

Please take this to heart, because there is always another side to the story and while the easier route is to remove the kid, I just don't see how anyone wins.

Sincerely,

Bobby's mom:)

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