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Child Behavior

My 10 yr. old neice came to live with me & my husband about 3 years ago. I do not have any children so there is so much I don't know about raising a child. I have many questions but I'll just put this one out there for now. This is about discipline and her behavior. My mom & myself are the only 2 people in her life who discipline her. She seems to think that she is on the same level as we are(adult) For instance, this morning she left the hair streightener on, I told her to go turn it off, & she said "Well I had to turn it off the other day because some one left it on." She and I are the only 2 who use it, so she was trying to imply that I had left it on the other day. I know I didn't because about 5 years ago our house burnt down, so I am very meticulous about turning everything off. And I tried to tell her that just because I was bringing it to her attention to make sure she turns it off, that does not mean that she needs to try to imply that I had left it on too. It's like every time me or my mom tell her something, she tries to turn it around and say that we did something similar to what we are telling her not to do. But that is not the case. I don't know what to do about it. It drives me & my mom nuts. Aslo she will tell us some thing, then a few minutes later she will totally change what she had just said. And we'll tell her,well you just said so & so and she'll say "no I didn't! I said this.." Well we aren't total idiots! We know what she just told us, but she will try to convince us that she said something totally different!!! It is soooo frustrating. I don't know if this behavior is from her upbringing before she came to live with us or if it is just typical of tweens. Her life before she came to live with us was disturbing for her. If any one out there has any suggestions that may help us please don't hesitate to write me back. I am looking forward to any help I can get. Sorry this was so long, but I thought the more you knew about the situation the better you could help us.

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I want to thank you all for replying. You all have such great suggestions, I am considering the option of professional help. And to let you guys know, her dad is in the picture some times, but she really only talks to him about once a month. He does not send her any money or anything, but we told him that we would take care of her, he was having dufficult times and he is also an alcoholic, or I should say he says he is recovering. But he's done that before, went months without drinking, then just all of a sudden he's right back on it. My neice is doing better than she did when she first moved in. She has always had good grades in school, but no one has ever shown any interest. I get involved with ALL her school work and extra curricular activities. I have even entered her into a beauty contest last year that she wanted to be in and she actually won. Which I think was a great boost to her confidence. But when she first came she wouldn't even go to spend the night with any of her new friends. I tried to get her to spend the night with my oldest step daughter who has a daughter one year younger than my neice and they are all very close now and were pretty close then. But when I got there to drop her off she got hysterical and I had to bring her back home with me. Now she asks me all the time if she can go stay the night wiht so & so, and most of the time I let her,depending on the circumstances. But as far as her being so mouthy and talking back she is doing better but she still thinks she is on the same level as we adults are. She gets VERY offended if we are taking about something we don't want her to hear about. A few months after she moved in she and I sat down and wrote out a "action & consiquence" list, if she did "this" the the dicipline was "this" such as talking back and leaving her clothes on the bathroom floor she would be punished by not having TV in her room that night etc. She seems to do very well with the list and we also made out a schedule for her to follow everyday when she gets in from school. Which she does pretty good on that too, I have to remind her alot though, she seems to be very forgetful. (when it comes to chores any way) I'm just scared of taking her to a Dr. and it back firing. I'v heard stories of Phychiatrists really messing up some kids. But then I think about, well it just may help her. She has already lost the first 7 years of her child hood. She needs to just be a child for now. I can't seem to make her understand that though. I'm very confused as to where to turn next. I know all kids will talk back, that's not really the biggest issue. The biggest issue I have is that she thinks she is equal to me and my mother and my husband. We will get through this. And I agree with those of you who said this must be the job God had intended for me, and I love her with all my heart, it's hard but I guess nothing that is really worth something comes easy huh? Thank you all again for all of your wonderful advice. I feel like I have a new group of great friends that I can turn to with my problems and actually get some good advice and help. Thank you so much. I think I will start doing some research on the Dr.s in the area and see what I can find out.

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I understand what you are going through. When I moved in with my now husband he had a 7 yr old that is now 11. His mother has lost custody of him except 1,3,5 weekends because of her poor decisions. I think the most important thing for kids, even at the tween age, is consistancy and having a routine. They really like to know that you are going to be there and that everything is always the same. This has made my stepson much more comfortable at our home that his mothers, he rarely wants to go there on her weekends. If the routine is going to be changed in anyway, I let him know. I think he also responds better to my requests to do things, when he feels like his actions are helping everyone. He likes to feel like he is part of the decisions. When he does do well we generally give him for responsibility , like letting him use the stove and oven, rather than buying him gifts. The responsiblity makes him feel proud and is long lasting rather than a quick present that he almost immediately forgets. Again, it is that consistantcy thing. His mom consistantly buys him things he does not need and he expects it. I rarely buy him anything that he does not need, so the few times we buy something or go for ice cream ,it is a treat rather than an award. I think it also will take time for you to show your niece that you are not going anywhere. I think it took me 2 years or so before my stepson really thought I was not like his mom's "friends" who move in and move out in the same breath. And that I would always be there for him. He actually spends more time with me now than either of his parents and we have a very good reletionship, but as I said it took time and I had to prove to him I would stay and take care of him forever.

good luck, it will get easier.

Hi TJ B,
It is difficult for your neice as I am sure she has learned that she can not trust anyone. She must feel alone. When she is defiant, it is her defense mechanism, it keeps her safe and helps her to keep a distance between herself and others. Even if the environment you have provided for her were the most nurturing and affectionate ever, she may be uncomfortable because she may in the back of her mind think that she will be abandoned again. I am not sure she knows how true relationships really work. There are disagreements but after proper communication, there is a mutual understanding.
When you approach her with situations, try to not make it confrontational because that will bring her defenses up and she will not understand the true nature of your discussion. Explain to her that you had a tough experience, that your house burned down because of this fire hazard and that you are trying to keep everyone safe. She is a person and I'll bet she will respond to an approach that respects her as a person who matters. It will help her self esteem and help her to realize that you are on her side. This can be a beautiful thing for this child and may turn her life around, thank you for seeking help in working with her. This must be your soul's mission.

Hi, I am a mother of three. 13yrs., 9yrs.and 6 months. The 13yrs. and 6 month old are mine, the 10 year old is my step daughter. I have had similar problems with my stepdaughter in the past due to the fact that her mother was never a strong influence in her life and now she only gets to see her about once or twice a year. When she does get that opportunity the daughter pretty much runs the house. There is no discipline there, nor was there any before I came along. Me and my husband have custody. We have been together since just before she turned 3. The only thing I can suggest is to take her to counsling. We did this with my 9 year old and it helped her alot. She used to be very difficult and spoiled. Now she is easier to handle and talks to us a little more. It will never be easy with a child that has such a hard history. You just have to be patient and do the best you can. I doubt you are doing anything less than any other mother would do in your situation. Just stick to your guns and keep trying.

It is my thinking that because your niece has been through so much, she probably feels like she has earned the right to be adult like. She needs to understand that although she may have had to be independent, she is not now. She is a child and you are the adults, which means she does not get the luxury of arguing with you. Talk to her and recognize that she has been though a lot in a few short years, but things are very different now and instead of being combative, be happy and appreciative. She has a second chance at a real family and her attitude does not help the situation at all.
Hope this helps some.

I know where you're coming from, however, I went through the same thing with my biological daughter. I think its a preteen/teenager thing. I've had to seek professional help because I was really growing to dislike her. The lies and constant trying to make me feel like I'm imagining things were getting the best of me. The counselor helped me to learn how to communicate with her and vice versa. We kind of help each other through our tough "PMS" times now. Has she started her period yet? We are 80% better now since we've been going through counseling. My best advice to you is to seek professional counseling before you lose her forever. One of the main reason why I say this is related to her background. You'd be surprised to hear what she's feeling. Good luck.

You and your mother are the adults and she needs to be reminded of that often!! When she back talks, stop her mid sentence and remind her that she is a child and while her opinion counts in some situations this is not one of those times.

For instance with the curling irons, after she made her comment, you should have told her, that's fine, go turn the irons off. I also think you should be cognizant of the things you and your mom and your husband discuss around her. She should not be privy to adult conversations, whether it is about bills, her mom's situation or whatever. Children really do have a place (and I know that sounds harsh) and right now that place is not as an adult.

Her behaviour is disrespectful and if you don't nip it in the bud now, when she is 15/16 it will only be worse.

Good Luck

Read every John Roseman book you can get your hands on. You have got some catching up to do. Good Luck

Dear TJ,

The book that has blessed our family the most regarding parenting & discipline is Tedd Tripp's "Shepherding a Child's Heart." We love how it goes past 'behavior modification' which can often by skin deep, and cuts to the heart (the attitudes) of the child.

Also, some great friends of ours are Christian Child Psychologists. They are wonderful people, and have helped many tremendously with parenting. I believe I've posted their info in the business listings - Tom & Jill Stevens.

I pray you find the help you need.
Blessings,
R.

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