J.D. asks from Toms River, NJ on April 10, 2008
Chickepox Vaccine (1 Yr Old) - What Experiences Did You Have?
My son had the chickenpox vaccine on Thurday. He seemed fine at first but over the weekend he slowly built up a new level of tiredenss, then by Tuesday, he got a fever and was very sick. The next day after that he developed a full body rash that looked like heat rash but wasn't, also a few pimple like spots, blisters around his mouth and sores inside his mouth/throat. (Today will be one week since the vaccine) His fever seems to have broke but This has been HORRIBLE. He's barely slept, eaten or drank anything and has been crying non stop. We've been doing everything we could to comfort him and give him nutrients so he didn't wind up with an IV in the hospital, suffering from dehydration. He has short spurts of energy and seems like himself, but then falls back into the disaster. I was told by an on call dr (over the phone) and a pediatrician who saw him yesterday (not our regular) that this was just viral and didn't have to do with the vaccine. She stated a virus, herpes around the mouth (non sexual of course)and tested for strep throat (which initially looked to be negative). My regular pediatrican said a rash could occur up to one month after the vaccine and the nurse who administered it said a "reaction" could occur ten days out - including a rash up to a month after. I also read on the CDC website similar information to this. I just can't help but think theres more to this "virus" due to the vaccine. I guess it doesn't matter b/c we can only do so much either way, but I just want some answers and understanding. Has anyone else experienced anything like this after the 1 yr old chicken pox vaccine?
So What Happened?™
Thank you everyone for your input. I think everyone understood ALL of my various concerns. Anyway - saw our regular pediatrician today - he confirmed its NOT chicken pox, its the coxsackie virus and very commonn (as most of you thought too). I'm glad the pediatrician put a name to it though and gave me some ideas on how to soothe the rash. He said keep him away from others for one more week but he thought it already looked as if he was healing. Overall his mood is better, he's eating, sort of sleeping well and he's having fun. We've still got a ways to go before being 100% but I can rest easy now and move on from this one. He does go to daycare two days a week so I'm ont surprised of him contracting something. I just was very concerned with the timing. Well, til next time! Thanks again everyone!!!
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L.B. answers from Rochester on April 11, 2008
I have two children who had both had this vaccine. My older daughter had the same reaction to an extent of what you are describing, and the younger wasn't effected at all. My older had a fever, was lethargic/tired and had an all over body rash. Which also included spots on her that didn't quite turn into blisters. This was maybe a week or so after she had the vaccination. Our pediatrician had told us that she had actually gotten a mild form of chicken pox. She had gotten better a couple weeks after the symptoms, but had the rash for probably almost a month. We were told as long as the spots weren't open blisters that she wasn't contagious. I don't remember her having blisters in or around her mouth- so maybe by coincidence your child has also a virus. The most you can do is just try and keep them comfortable. It will pass.
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M.N. answers from New York on April 11, 2008
Hi there - my two boys were vaccinated against chicken pox with no problems. Now I have a baby girl who reacts to every vaccination she gets with a high fever and irritability. I am wondering if I should not do it for her due to what I've been reading. I do know that when you vaccinate you should ask for "dead" viruses vs. live virus - otherwise complications can be much higher. I'm sorry your son is sick and I would definitely research vaccines before he gets them again - I see an alternative Dr. in Ridgefield who suggested I give my daughter supplemental drops from Germany that are supposed to help support her immune system when she gets shots. So far so good. If you are interested let me know and I will give you the info.
Good luck - hope your boy is on the mend.
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P.M. answers from New York on April 10, 2008
This sounds like the Coxsacki virus. Here's what I was able to find:
Signs and Symptoms
Coxsackievirus can produce a wide variety of symptoms. About half of all kids infected with coxsackievirus have no symptoms. Others suddenly develop high fever, headache, and muscle aches, and some also develop a sore throat, abdominal discomfort, or nausea. A child with a coxsackievirus infection may simply feel hot but have no other symptoms. In most kids, the fever lasts about 3 days, then disappears.
Coxsackieviruses can also cause several different symptoms that affect different body parts, including:
Hand, foot, and mouth disease, a type of coxsackievirus syndrome, causes painful red blisters in the throat and on the tongue, gums, hard palate, inside of the cheeks, and the palms of hands and soles of the feet.
Herpangina, an infection of the throat which causes red-ringed blisters and ulcers on the tonsils and soft palate, the fleshy back portion of the roof of the mouth.
Hemorrhagic conjunctivitis, an infection that affects the whites of the eyes. Hemorrhagic conjunctivitis usually begins as eye pain, followed quickly by red, watery eyes with swelling, light sensitivity, and blurred vision.
Occasionally, coxsackieviruses can cause more serious infections that may need to be treated in a hospital, including:
viral meningitis, an infection of the meninges (the three membranes that envelop the brain and spinal cord)
encephalitis, a brain infection
myocarditis, an infection of the heart muscle
Treating Coxsackievirus Infections:
Depending on the type of infection and symptoms, the doctor may prescribe medications to make your child feel more comfortable. However, because antibiotics only work against bacteria, they can't be used to fight a coxsackievirus infection.
Acetaminophen may be given to relieve any minor aches and pains. If the fever lasts for more than 24 hours or if your child has any symptoms of a more serious coxsackievirus infection, call your doctor.
Most children with a simple coxsackievirus infection recover completely after a few days without needing any treatment. A child who has a fever without any other symptoms should rest in bed or play quietly indoors. Offer plenty of fluids to prevent dehydration.
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M.K. answers from New York on April 11, 2008
hi J.,
Sounds like Herpes Labialis,OR Coxackie Virus
My son had this( herpes labialis) and the doctor said it would last between a week to 10 days, and for me it lasted exactly 10 days,
This was not a reaction to the Chicken pox shot tho, its something they catch from outside , other children, ect.
Its a severe cold sore reaction, http://www.umm.edu/ency/article/000606.htm
NOW, I am personally not entirely sure thats accurate because
my oldest got herpes on his Cheek, and I am positive this was a reaction to the second chicken pox shot theyy receive at 11 years old.
http://www.understanding-herpes.com/?keywords=what+is+her...
And lastly Coxsackie virus, http://www.kidshealth.org/parent/infections/bacterial_vir...
Which I have an adult friend whom got this at the pool, you can get it from some one infected with it, or fecal matter on hands ect.. My baby also had this infection, he got it when he started crawling.
Hope these sites help
Good luck
hope the baby feels better, i know how horrible it can be.
M
EDIT: Just read the others comments,
I agree that most doctors DO NOT report these outbreaks, however it would be difficult to determine whether he contracted the virus or infection prior to the injection, Many of these viruses can remain dormant for up to 3 weeks,
ALSO you could have contracted it at teh doctors office from another infected child, who touched the door handle, or play things, ect..
Eg. I am a SAHM who would closely monitors her children,
i know that my child did not get Coxsackie from my home, However, we got to the super market, park, and for walks outside, Your sneakers can bring in THOUSANDS of germs, even if your hands are cleaned constantly, the mail man , garbage man, ANIMALS can all bring germs.
With my oldest son, who is 11 he is exposed at school, its difficult to monitor him there, he is exposed to a multitude of infectious material DAILY, Whats to say he didn't catch it from a friend at school without realizing he was infectious ect...
And the Herpes Labialis, for my started with swollen gums,
I waited 3 days thinking it could be coxsackie, and would get better, BUt it got worse, he was HOME for 2 weeks, we went NO where, HAD one playdate at our house, And went to the super market one time. I have no way of knowing how he got this infection, BUt I can tell you its horrible, and by tuesday of next week you should see improvement, If you haven't already please take the baby back to the doctors office.There isn't much they can do for her,it just needs to run its course.
VALTREX cream is for herpes which will be helpfull on the spots on the outside, so is herpecin.
I opted for the valtrex because I have 3 boys, and suspect i will eventually need it again, I prefer the good stuff.
Good luck
feel better
M
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M.B. answers from New York on April 11, 2008
I haven't read the responses you've gotten so far yet, but please make sure to report this to: http://vaers.hhs.gov/ 99% of the time YOUR DOCTOR WON'T DO IT FOR YOU even tho they're supposed to.
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