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Chasing Baby

I have had good luck in the past with feedback from all the mamas, so here we go again!
My son just turned 2 (july 2nd) and has started exhibiting some new behaviors that I don't know how to deal with.
He has started to pull the limp baby on me. We will be walking along, he will want to go his way or do something on his own while I have him by the hand, say, if we are crossing the street. All of the sudden,he pulls away, goes limp and will lay down in the road if I let him, and as soon as I let go to get a better grip on him, he's taking off, either crawling or running to get away from me. It is dangerous behavior that is starting to test my patience. The last two times I have tried to take him to the library, which he loves, have been completely miserable for me and the library patrons. He won't sit still long enough for me to check out books, squirming, limp baby, crawling fast to escape, crying when caught. It took three attempts to check out books last time on my own and this time was such a struggle that I ended up at the counter so that someone else could check out my books for me. I basically have to hold him in place to attempt to get something done, while he struggles, fights, cries, etc to get away. I can't look away for two second because he is GONE in a flash, then I panic and wind up chasing him all over the place.
I am normally a patient mom who feeds her kid before we leave the house, always packs snacks and toys, and really enforces the napping routine we have established. So, he's not tired, hungry, bored, etc, yet everytime I turn around now he is pulling the limp baby and or running away from me or my husband, and pitching a huge fit when caught. I feel like we are missing a step as parents to try and curb this behavior. We explain to him in simple terms that he is not behaving well with words I know he understands. I told him last time as he was doing this and crying in a dept store that he is not to act this way. It stopped for a minute, and then resumed when my dh took over for a minute.
The running part of this was kind of brought on by us. When he was learning to walk and liked to practice, we would take him to Northgate. Inside, bright lights, different people, open space to roam, lots of benefits. Now he thinks that unless he is confined to a cart, he gets to run around like a hellion. He thinks it is a game to run from us and isn't doing a great job of stopping when we tell him to. I am worried that he is going to run into the street and get hit, thinking we are just playing a game of chase. He is receptive and responsive normally and we have hammered home things like not throwing in the house, only outside, etc. and is good at following directions. Smart for his age and articulate, so I think he's very capable of understanding what is going on.
Please help me to deal with our little limp baby/escape artist before I buy him a harness and end up dragging him around in it.

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I think he is testing you to see how much he can get away with.

I suggest that you give him two options (every time you go somewhere). Either he can be a big boy and behave and walk with you properly, or he can ride in the stroller. When he pulls the limp baby trick, calmly pick him up, walk back to the car, get out the stroller, plop him in it and say "maybe you can try again next time".

Around 2 and a half, my son became obsessed with what big boys do... "big boys don't wear diapers", "big boys don't sit in carts or strollers", "big boys don't sit in highchairs", etc. It worked out well because I told him that if he didn't want to sit in the cart or stroller he had to walk with me and obey, and if he didn't want to sit in a highchair, then he had to stay in his seat. Worked (and still does) very well!

I know it's not popular but buy a harness. I did the same for my daughter about that age - she refused to hold my hand. Granted silly as it is - I don't think we once went out with it - we worked on all the training techniques as suggested and she's pretty good.

Still she's 3 and we do put her in shopping cart because she does like to run - her favorite place to run is Staples - she did it once now thinks that is all she does.

Working on training is really hard but the harness at the least keeps them from running off - say into traffic or at the mall. Believe it or not - he will eventually learn. That being said - limp baby - doesn't matter with the harness - if you are able still try to pick him up. I've seen red light work really well but all of these take time.

Good luck to you!

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L.,

As I read this, it seems that more than one issue pops up. So let's go with the obvious first: your son's desire to go his own way. I hate to say it, but this is most certainly the definition of the toddler stage--finding out one's limits, seeking independence and taking another step toward becoming their own person. Each child manifests this differently. Some kids are very acquiescent while others are 'suddenly' a whole other person. I've got a toddler myself and wonder sometimes at who he is. Toddlers are mercurial (their moods change constantly), and one book that might help you understand how *normal* your son's actions are is "The Science of Parenting", an easy-to-read book on human brain development and how it affects emotion and behavior.

Having nannied for years, I have worked with several children who do what you described. I have one word for you: bring a STROLLER with you. Everywhere. To the mall, library, even in the parking lot at the store until you get him into the cart. He has two choices: "You may hold my hand or you may ride in the stroller." When my son runs into the street (big game!) he is immediately popped into the stroller without a lot of discussion. "Little boys who run into the street must sit in their stroller while mama does her work." It has taken me a few months, but he's starting to get the message.

At that point, nothing more needs to be discussed. We parents often overtalk things. The idea is do what needs to be done. Yes, it sucks when our kids are tantruming in the stroller. Guess what, every other person in that store either has 1. had that screaming child at one time or another or 2.been that screaming child. Take deep breaths and remember that this too shall pass. It really, truly does.

One reason our children limp out and struggle is because they are *biologically and developmentally trying to get away from us*. This doesn't mean that we are bad parents, this has to do with their own self-motivation for independence and autonomy. Give him opportunities to run outdoors, at parks and other open areas. Baseball fields are great for this.

Another thing to consider is precorrection. This is just the practice of explaining to your son what is about to happen and what is expected. I would advise against asking a twoyear old to make any agreement to behave. There is a reason that we must legally be 18 before we are on the hook for binding agreements. Nor do I think that punishment is the answer. Both of these techniques can blow the situation out of proportion, either by forcing a child to commit to actions in the future--(2 y.o. live it the present)or to take away everything good about the trip. Are library books a "reward" or just part of your trip? Making something exciting and dear contingent upon impulse control is truly making it too hard for your kiddo, and this will end up with misery for both of you. That's why I suggest finishing what you are doing and then leaving. The library is not unfamiliar with toddler meltdowns, and forcing our children to stifle their emotions (even ones that are unpleasant for us) will inhibit their ability to feel their emotions are "okay" later in life. Even at this age, we can provide empathy with boundaries in a way that helps the child feel secure and loved, even when they are sad or frustrated that they cannot run around or do as they please. "I see you are very angry and I need to finish up here." Respectful to both of you.

The other thing I would encourage you to do is to relax. From your description, it sounds like you are trying very hard to do "the right thing" for your boy. Remember that kids begin to give up naps at this age, so stay flexible and introduce quiet times when you feel the time has come. It's easy to become a bit rigid as parents when we are so worried about consistency that we forget that they are growiing and changing!

My best to you and your little boy!

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Your last sentence was your answer. You DO need to buy a child harness and strap him in every time you go public. I know there are people who freak out about this and think there is something wrong with it, but I believe that my child's safety is the top priority. I also went through this stage with my daughter where she wanted to take off and run away from me. The harness kept her in my vicinity, but I still had my hands free pretty much to do other things. In the beginning, there may be some balking from the child about it, but be firm and consistent. "This is the only way we are going anywhere, because Mommy loves you too much to let you run free when you dont mind." As your child grows, you will know when it is no longer needed, but those 2 to 3 year olds often do. You have to come up with a ready response to those people who will come up to you and be horrified that you leashed your child. I dont remember what mine was, but I recall being solid about why I was doing it. I loved my baby and did not want anyone to steal her or for her to get into a dangerous situation in that quick flash of time it takes for a toddler to take off. There are plenty of other people, generally Moms, who will support you and know that the child is not traumatized by being on a harness and leash. And you may still get the limp baby routine, even on the end of the leash, pick him up, keep going, dont take off the harness. He will get it soon enough that it is staying until you feel he is developed enough to mind you when you speak to him. Good luck, hang in there, those can be challenging years, but they set the platform for the rest of his life.

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What's wrong with putting a harness on him? Walk around for a bit with your arm in the air and see how it feels...it's not that comfortable and yet that's what we expect our children to do when we have to keep hold of their hand, because their arm has to go up in the air to reach ours. And think about this: a wrist to wrist hand holder actually gives the child more freedom to walk around but you're still totally in control. We always had our toddlers on hand holders (don't actually know what those wrist to wrist things are called, but that's what we called them) and they were NEVER a problem to take in public: mall, farmer's market, the fair, etc.
I know the majority of people who read this will think how barbaric to leash a child like a dog, but who cares? I think it would be scarier to have my child hit by a car than to have my dog hit by a car. And this will really throw those folks for a loop: we kept one hand holder hanging on the same hook as the dog leash, so when it was time for a walk, everyone could be safe and protected. And why should my dog have more freedom to move about than my child? I promise you this: if you can get passed the "What will people think?" stage, you and your toddler will be more happy and relaxed on public outings. And if the major downfall to having your child on a "leash" is that he'll be happy, calm, well behaved and a pleasure to take in public, then so be it!
Good luck,
MKS

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It's partly the age. Limp baby syndrome is hard to deal with, I totally understand. What I do is if we are out, just pick them up calmly as possible and walk out to the car, and go home. If we're at home, I just walk away very calmly. They only can be limp for so long, you'll eventually get them to do what you need them to.

One suggestion though, for the Library, If you look online at their websites, you can browse books there. I go to the county libraries, and my routine is, look online, select the books I want to look at and put them on hold.

The library notifies me when they've put a book on hold for me. Then, it's just a quick run in, look at the books, decide which to check out, and which to leave (if any). I check out, and return the books I need to. Makes it much faster, and more tolerable for my 20 mo old. HTH

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Hi L.,

I sure hear your frustration! Aren't 2 year olds loads of fun?

Seriously though, 2 year olds are at that age where they tests boundaries over and over again just to see if the limits that parents put in place still exist. They thrive on the security that comes with knowing that the boundaries are consistent, no matter what hijinks they try to pull. Thast's not to say that the stunts they pull aren't scary, because sometimes our kids will pull things that will give us heart attacks, but unfortunatly, that's all part of being a 2 year old.

With that said, you may need to be a bit more clear on the expectations when you go someplace. For examlpe, when you go to the library, when it comes time to check out the books you can say to him "Mommy needs you to stand next to her while she checks out the books. If you run away, we will leave and the books will stay here." And be prepared to leave. Same goes the department store. Tell him if he runs away/doesn't hold your hand, you'll leave, then follow through. He's not going to be happy about leaving, and he'll let you know he's unhappy, but it's as necessary part of the process.

Be prepared for the behavior to get worse before it gets better, but he'll eventually get it. It just takes time.

When it comes to crossing the street, or similar street issues, my motto is safety first, and there is no compromise, EVER. If a child is unwilling to hold my hand or does the going limp routine, then I have no problem picking the child up and carrying him across the street even if he is kicking and screaming, end of discussion. I'm sorry if this sounds harsh, and I hope I don't sound like I am criticizing you, because that it not my intent, but I don't want to take the risk of my child getting hurt. You really need to be very firm on this with your child, and use a no nonsense tone of voice with him to get your point across. He needs to understand that you mean business on this.

Anyway, I hope this helps. Good luck! Enjoy your 2 year old!

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My son is almost 22 months and is starting the behaviors you've described. Frustrating! I did buy a harness (a little monkey whose arms and legs wrap around and buckle, and the monkey head peeks over my son's shoulder) and I use it occasionally - crowded days at the zoo, aquarium, and the airport. It lets me look "up" for those few seconds without fear of him disappearing into the masses. "Monkey" rides in the stroller basket when not in use.

It should be noted that the harness isn't a dog leash: if you jerk monkey's tail with your child attached, you will knock your child off his feet, backward. You will certainly earn dirty looks if this is the case. I have found that I actually get more smiles from strangers when my child is happy wearing a monkey backpack (enjoying his 3-foot circle of freedom) than I do when he's screaming and struggling in my arms.

My son is *slowly* learning that there are two options (even when wearing monkey): hold my hand/push the stroller, or ride. Sometimes neither of these is acceptable to him, so then he rides. Screeching, but safe.

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L.,

PLEASE!!!! don't buy one of those stupid leashes for the kids. These are little people, not some kind of pet to be jerked around.

That being said, his behavior can be changed, and fairly easily. If he doesn't listen and do as he's told he doesn't get his freedom. If he throws a tantrum, which he will, leave. This has worked for my now 5 year old, and is working on my 2 year old.

It goes like this in my house: stay with Mom and Dad or you go in the cart/stroller. If you throw a fit we leave the public area and go straight home.

Both of my kids love their freedom of movement and caught on quickly to what was expected of them. The other thing that works is red light/green light. Red: stop, Green: go, Yellow: slow down/walk, Purple: come back, Blue: Here comes Daddy to get you :)

Hope this helps,
M.

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I got a leash, for number 2 (of 4).

He had no sense of staying near mommy, and I was disabled by a back injury and literally *couldn't* catch him if he ran ... I had to hope he got interested in something and stopped. Obviously, not acceptable, safety-wise.

Interestingly, with both #2 and #3 (who had rebellion escape issues, due to her parents separating), only two(?)ish, maybe three, times of using the kid-leash and they didn't really try to escape anymore--because I was very clear that if they *did* try to escape, they would have to wear the leash again. And I did do what I said I would.

And I didn't use it to "drag them around," I walked with them holding their hand like I preferred, but if they dashed, then the leash--around their torso and my wrist--would stop the escape. Which was key from the safety point of view.

Now I am mostly recovered from my back injury and I just make sure I have a very firm grip on hands. Or use the not-as-looked-down-upon-but-it's-still-actually-a-leash method of keeping the runaway risk strapped into a stroller or a shopping cart. Same idea, really. (Really, it's a bit ridiculous to look down on a leash if you have ever used a cart or stroller as a containment device, isn't it? Kids hate them just as much, if they want to be running.)

If my older kids are being a problem (on a walk or in a store), I require them to keep one or both hands on the cart/stroller handle/mommy's beltloops--depending on the type of their inappropriate behavior (wandering off = one hand, grabbing stuff off of shelves = both hands).

If you do decide to try the leash thing, the current social taboo about them (and yes, you will get oh, so nasty glares--remember, if you choose the leash, that you are choosing it because you think it is the best way to keep your child from running into the street or getting lost in a department store, or whatever is the reason big enough to face the social scorn) ... anyhow, the current taboo about them means they are hard to find at stores that cater to people with strong aristocratic social assumptions (or who would like to think they have such assumptions ;) ). I found mine at Kmart, and it is a solidly constructed, carefully designed to fit safely on the toddler/small child leash.

OK, that's my countercultural Mamasource for today (sigh).
Good luck with solving the running away!

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