Celiac Mom Seeking Recipe

Hi H.!
I am new to Mamasource and just saw your question. I am Celiac and a dietitian. I run a support group in NE Ohio. See if you can find a local support group to share recipes. I have a great pie crust I would be willing to share. Also, GF Pantry has a good crust, the box makes 4 crusts. I use crushed Pamela's pecan cookies or MiDel for bar cookies, which are always a hit. Don't fret too much about your daughter yet. Someone can always be a carrier to Celiac but never get the active disease. I have a 3 year old son and my mom has Celiac also so I understand your thoughts completely! My mom is the queen of baking, our group loves everything she makes, especially her Millet bread! Good Luck!

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I was also diagnosed with Celiac and have been gf for almost 2 years. You should join the "Silly Yaks" Yahoo Group. They are an amazing group of people. There are lots and lots of recipes. http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/sillyyaks/

C.
http://purelyvibrant.myarbonne.com/

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Hi There....this may sound weird but I guarantee you that people will love it and you will feel much better using it. Infact you have inspired me to using it again. This is a piecrust made from nuts, etc...- Y.

Ingredients:

1 cup pitted dates
2 cups pecans, pistachios & almonds mixture
1 cup almonds
2 TBS orange juice

Directions:

Grind the one cup of almonds (other nuts are too oily) in clean, dry food processor until fairly fine power. Stop grinding way before nuts start to turn buttery. Set Aside.

Put remaining two cups of three-nut mixture into food processor. Grind until fine enough that they just barley begin to get some nut-butter sticking on the sides of the machine

Add dates and mix a very long time. Mix will eventually start to ball up as the oils start to pull out of the ground nuts

Finally, with machine still running, add orange juice. The clumps of mixture will suddenly ball up in one solid, rich mass.

Put the set aside ground almond powder into strainer/sifter and shake powder over wax paper. Put entire ball of nut/date mixture in center. Press down. Sprinkle more nut powder over top.

Put another sheet of wax paper on top. Roll out with rolling pin into size big enough to fit pie pan. Pull off wax paper from top side of crust.

Sprinkle almond powder in pie tin. Turn date/nut crust over into pan. Pull off last sheet of wax paper. Gently press into pie pan, trimming off excess. Dust the rim of the pie crust with remaining almond powder.

Fill with raw pie mixture: apple-raspberry, pumpkin, banana-carob creme, California lime, etc.

A coffee/nut grinder can be used to grind nuts instead, then all other material can be run though Champion juicer for similar results if a food processor isn't available; but filling will not be as smooth

Try adding raw carob earlier on in the processing, for variety. Also, you can put spoon-sized balls of mixture into freezer for great candy.

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Hey there H.,
My daughter was diagnosed as gluten-intolerant, but is too young for the Celiac diagnosis. However, having to learn quickly, I have found some really good websites. My favorite has been glutenfreeda.com, they have really good recipes and an ingredient search list. Also GF-Zing, (just google this one) - it is completely gluten-free. Finally, karina-s kitchen, she is from Santa Fe and has a lot of good suggestions.

Namaste,
S.

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http://glutenfreeblog.blogspot.com/2007_11_01_archive.html

this is a gluten free blog that my sister has come acrossed. Also if you have a kitchen kneads store try them to see if they are carring gluten free stuff. The one in Logan, Ut is carring a lot more. Also on Amazon in hte grocery stuff they have a whole line of gluten free that you can order along with cook books. I found one of the cook books that I use for my 3 1/2 year old son "Special diets for special kids" they have 2 volumes out and they have a lot of dinners, breads, crusts, desserts and such in it. It is a hard diet to do, my son is on it to help with his "issues" and so I try to cook gluten free at least for dinner for me and my 3 kids. So far my son loves everything that I have given him and I have been able to get him to try new things (he has terrible food jags). Good luck I know there are more things out there now to buy that are gluten free and a lot of the resturants are getting gluten free things since so many people are having problems with gluten.

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H.,
I like glutenfreegirl.com personally. She recently wrote a book with the same name, and I found it inspiring. She is really excited about food and is married to a chef. They come up with great ideas, particularly around the holidays. Her blog has kept me out of a rut (trying to eat only the tried and true safe foods). Good luck.
L.

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http://www.glutenfreeda.com/

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HI i happen to work for roses wheat free bakery and she has a couple of recipes on her web site ,,she has celiac herself and so does he children ,,she is located on 2901central street evanston ill 60201 ,,

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Dear H., My husband has Celiac and our two favorite things found are Pamila's mix which many things can be made with using the receipe book or on the back of the pakage and his favorite bread is from Gluten Free pantry Pantry brand aand is called french bread and pizza mix. I mix it in my bread machine, let it raise in the bread pan and bake. After cooled, we slice and freeze with waxed paper between each slice and he gets it out as needed. Super when toasted!!!
We find both of these at out local health food store but can probably be found on the internet. The pancakes and cornbread from Pamela's mix are better than my old receipes.

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pie crust flour... oh the hardest thing to make gluten free... BUT THERE IS HOPE!!!

I was diagnosed with Celiac in October of 2006... what a difference it has been going gluten free... it's so hard... but if you know what to look for it's not that difficult...

have you tried the gluten free pie crusts mix you can buy at Atkins? If you live in the OKC area you can get this at Atkins at 63rd and May or at the one over by Quail Springs mall just west of Penn on Memorial...

this is the best crust I have found and even though it isn't as smooth as a traditional crust, it tastes very very good... have my hubby didnt even notice that it wasn't my usual crust...

also... instead of using wheat flour to make your crust if you want to follow your recipe.... you can use fava bean flour or tapioca flour, both of which are very smooth textured... rice flours are a bit gritty but work... I also found that if I actually add an extra egg to the mixture that it helps it out quite a bit too...

Good luck dear... I feel your pain!!! Not being able to go eat at a regular restaurant any more has really put a big time damper on my and my husband's social life... but we get by... I am also raising my 6month old daughter on a gluten free diet... it will only help her int eh long run... everything being home made, i can be sure she isn't getting a ton of preservatives etc in her food... I hope you have a good support system cause you are going to need it... especially around the holidays when your in-laws are like well why cant you eat this... oh this wont hurt you... well its' YOUR problem not ours don't make us suffer for it... I have JERKS for in-laws... they could care less that me AND my nephew both have this... they actually GAVE him a wheat roll because they were concerned that he wasn't getting the proper nutrition... that was the last time they were ever allowed to watch him... he has a SEVERE allergy to eggs and peanuts as well as having Celiac disease... and they just don't get it!!!

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There are good recipes on pecanbread.com and scdiet.org.

-S.

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H.,
My live-in also has Celiac Disease and it IS a pain to find "good tasting" food. Hy-Vee offers a gluten-free list of products that they carry, at http://hy-vee.com/health/gluten_free_product>list.asp And then a Missy Petty from Hy-Vee (I believe she sent us that list above) has a NEAT list of recipes that are gluten-free. LOTS of GOOD sounding food and most of the recipes don't require a lot of "strange" food to make. Her e-mail is: ____@____.com

Also Omaha paper printed information on Celiacs with this website, csaceliacs.org and phone number ###-###-#### or 877-CSA-4CSA. Hope these help you out!

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My husband is celiac and my 10 month old daughter has one of the genes, so this is a topic dear to my heart. Check out Gluten Free Baking Classics by Annalise G. Roberts for great breads, cakes, cookies, etc. I've served the cupcakes to celiacs and gluten eaters to rave reviews! I also like to book Bon Appetit- Without the Wheat for some great, simple recipes. You might also want to check out CeliacChicks.com and the Gluten Intolerance Group for more info. Good luck!

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Vitamin Cottage Natural Grocers has many recipes for Gluten Intolerant people. you can reach them for recipes and nutritional support at www.vitamincottage.com they also have a nutritional coach on call that can email you the recipes and directory of everything in their stores or catalogue that is gluten free. great support program. been there done that. good luck.

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Hi H....I am also gluten sensitive. Try Coconut flour...it bakes wonderfully and tastes fabulous. You can order it from www.tropicaltraditions.com If you are looking for a great way to get your nutrition through a liquid 97% absorbable form please see my ad in the Mama Source ad section under ForeverGreen and FrequenSea or go to my website www.M..provibranthealth.com...I have steady energy all day and we now have an enery drink that is safe and natural go to www.AmplifywithAmpliFire.com for that.
Blessings...M. ###-###-####

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Hi,

You may not be seeking responses anymore, but I just found out that I have to give up dairy and cut down a lot on my gluten intake. So, I found the following free cookbook online:
http://www.vitalita.com/cookbooks.html

I have made a couple of things and they were delicious. It would be easy to add meat if you want, and probably dairy, too. It has a lot of good information about using gluten free flours. Good luck!
Also, I just saw yesterday at Central Market that they have put their gluten-free products all together on one wall.

- M.

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Hi H.-Have you heard of Bob's Red Mill? They carry some at Whole Foods, etc, but they also carry a whole line of gluten free products like cookies, cakes and "flour" mixes that you can buy direct. I know several celiac/wheat intolerant people who swear by this company. www.bobsredmill.com. they even have a book called "BEYOND RICE CAKES: A YOUNG PERSON'S GUIDE TO COOKING, EATING & LIVING GUTEN-FREE" They also have hundreds of gluten free recipes that people send in (click recipes at the top, gluten free category). Best of luck!

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Hi H.-
I just wanted to mention an AMAZING allergen free cookbook that I found. It is called 8 Degrees of Ingredients by Melisa K. Priem. All of the recipes and delicious and gluten/allergen free. I highly recommend it- and the book has been a lifesaver for my family. You can get it on amazon.com or target.com

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I've made a graham cracker crusr quite successfully using Mi-Del gluten free ginger snaps!

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Hello! Our son has Celiac and we have two other kids, so I know the drill of trying to make something everyone can eat. As for pie crust, that is tough. What I do is make a cookie crust out of either gluten free graham crackers, shortbread cookies or ginger snaps. It's tastier than any gluten free flour pie crust I have figured out on my own. The "Candy House" restaurant on 17th in Sellwood makes gf pies to order and cakes, donuts and bagels as well. They also sell pizza dough. So does "Market of Choice" in West Linn, and they have great gf cakes.
Most of the favorites for my kids are any of the Amy's gf stuff; mac 'n cheese, pizza, etc. I make tacos with corn tortillas often, enchiladas, stuffed baked potatoes, potato skins, rice cereal treats and gf brownies and cornbread - I've gotten really good at these. Trader Joes' brown rice pasta is very good and reasonable and all my kids like it. Good luck. :-) Don't get too skinny!

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You've gotten so many responses, that's wonderful! It took me a while to get through them, but I wanted to see if someone had already mentioned the following:

Mad Woman Foods - they have gluten free pizzas, tea cakes, and some other things: http://www.madwomanfoods.com/ - they are a locally owned company and most of their products can be found in area co-ops (Valley Natural Foods is where I found them!)

Bitter Sweet Bakery in Eagan - they also sell some of their products in local co-ops - but then they have their full service bakery in Eagan. OMG yum! http://www.bittersweetgf.com/

For cooking, I LOVE the Pamela's baking mix, and though I later found out that my wheat intolerance isn't - I still prefer making my gluten free crepes to pancakes any day!

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I was diaganosed with Celiac Disease back in 1997. At that time, a friend bought me a GREAT book entitled "Against the Grain"...it was a wonderful resource. LOTS and LOTS of insight into everything you can imagine! Thankfully, I no longer have the disease...My Lord miraculously healed me! : )

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Are you using xantham gum in your recipe? It helps make things stick better. Also, the all purpose gf flours are much better tasting than rice flour, soy flour, etc. There are gf pie crusts in the specialty stores. (Whole Foods, Wild Oats)They come in bags. They are pretty good.There is also a gf bakery in phoenix, Gluten Free Creations. They have some amazing food!! I use there all purpose flour for my baking. We have 2 gluten intolerant people in my family, one of which is my husband. I've been practicing for 9 years now. It's all about substituting gf products in your recipes. Xanthum gum is a must when baking!!

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You should try Pamela's Wheat Free Bread Mix. There are several alternate recipes on the package and one is for pie crust. So far all of her products that I have tried have been good. Good Luck.

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My husband is gluten intolerant and our whole family likes the Pamela's baking Mix. We buy it in the 4 pound bags when it's on sale at our food coop. It's a little expensive, but you'll learn that you can cut it with other things, like ground blanched almonds and flax seeds to improve texture and nutrition. Pamela's has a website too with lots of great recipes.

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This is great news, I work at a restaurant called Flatbeads , one in Amesbury and The one I work at in Bedford mass, anyways, we are an organic restaurant that uses "Mommy's Dough" which contains no flour and is specificaly made by a woman w/ celiac the process is we make the pizza in a separate area there is NO cross contamination, we use a separate cutter separate trays etc.. we have sooo many customers that love how we are able to cater our pizza to those w/ celiac you can also purchase other products I think her website is mommysbead.com

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There's a shop in Denver called Deby's Gluten Free Cafe and Bakery. She uses a tapioca starch/potato starch/rice flour blend, I think, for all her baked goods. The website is www.debysglutenfree.net. I think you can do orders from the website for home delivery. Although my son is doesn't have Celiac disease, he can't have any wheat/wheat gluten, corn and a whole bunch of other stuff. It's a very restrictive diet prescribed by his naturopath and it's done wonders for him. He can, however, have most of the items in Deby's. I've tried the beef ravioli, frozen waffles and a couple of other things myself and I have to say they're really, really good! I'm pretty sure she has ready made pie crusts you can buy.

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I have found these "miracle noodles" and konjac flour. I ordered the variety box. I like them a lot.
You might want to check out the site. (also great for those who want fewer carbs in their diet without feeling hungry.)

* made of naturally water soluble fiber with no fat, sugar, or starch.
* contain zero net carbohydrates and zero calories, no gluten -made of a healthy natural fiber called Glucomannan.
* wheat & gluten free.
* Easily absorbs the flavors of any soup, dish, or sauce.
* are instant and come in a variety of styles
* have shown beneficial effects backed by medical studies for Type II Diabetes, Constipation, Obesity, and Cholesterol!

Servings per Container- 2.3
Serving Size - 3.0oz
Calories - 0
Fat - 0
Protein - 0
Carbohydrate - <1gm - only fiber
Sugar - 0
Protein - 0

Ingredients : Water, glucomannan (soluble fiber), calcium additive.

No soy, gluten, or wheat.

http://miraclenoodle.com/

As a favor to satisfy my curiosity...if any of you order these noodles, let me know. I'd like to know if I made a difference for anyone by giving out this info. Thanks!

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Hi H.!
I just came across this website, here on MamaSource, yesturday. She has lots of good looking recipes- http://www.elanaspantry.com/
Good Luck!
H.

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I wondered why my friend sent me this invite, as I am not a mom in a way, I am a step-mom with the kids all married and their kids married.
Then, I read this this morning. I am almost 73 years old, I found out about 1 year ago that I have Celiac Spue. When talking this over with my doctor, I from my health history must have always had it.
A friend from my church has it and he brought me a cookbook that isn't in print anymore, and I scanned it and made a copy or two. He said that this was the best one of all the cookbooks that he had.
I am still having problems with getting used to making things gluten-free. I know the Bob's Red Mill has wonderful products that are GF and some of the grocery stores are getting so that they carry his products. I haven't tried to make pie crust as yet, but I do know that I had to buy some Xanthan Gum to get my own recipes to work. I have always had problems using recipes, as love to make up my own. I make my own bread, but use Bob's Red Mill G-F flours and also the bread mix for many regular type breads.
The person who wrote about GlutenFreeGirl.com is right, I really enjoy her site, haven't bought her recipe book as yet, but it is wonderful to read and use the recipes on site.
Thank you for posting this post about CS.
B. C

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H.,

Regarding pie crusts. There are many crusts made by pulverizing pecans, walnuts and ingredients like dates. You will find them in cookbooks for raw, uncooked foods. They are delicious.

I use quinoa for so many different recipes. It is a seed but most people call it a grain. No gluten. Can be eaten for breakfast, used as a rice-side dish substitute and in soups or salads.

Best wishes

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lots of great recipe ideas! i don't have celiac, but i do have a wheat intolerance and my mother-in-law and sister-in-law have celiac. we'll see if any of my kids end up with it. 2 books that will change the way you think about food (thus how you think about celiac) are "the maker's diet" by jordan rubin and "nourishing traditions" by sally fallon. oh, a 3rd is "the cure" by timothy brantley. celiac is not that bad. yes you do have to make life style changes, but they are for the better. her quality of life is going to improve just because she will feel better! i hope she is encouraged by that and not discouraged b/c she won't be able to eat like she used to.
by the way, i have a great, easy, gluten free recipe for pb/chocolate chip cookies if anyone is interested. they are out of this world!
good luck and please let me know if i can be of any help.

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Unfortunately, I can't give you any recipes for pie crust however, I can suggest a book that I have found very helpful in feeding my husband. 'Breaking the Vicious Cycle' author is Elaine Gottshcall.

Hi-
My cousin has celiac disease and she was telling me how she uses rice flour + a combo of some other flours together to make breads & cookies. I don't have her email but I will call her & get it so you two can talk. She is an amazing baker and has 5 kids + 1 on the way so I know she can help you w/recipes etc...
K.

Market Street in Colleyville has cooking classes...I recently went to a gluten-free cooking class and bought a cook book...The Complete Book of Gluten-Free Cooking by Jennifer Cinquepalmi...She has another class coming up in March. I got to sample some of the recipes and they were really good. there is also a support group www.northtexasgig.com I haven't been to a meeting, but I met the director and I look forward to attending. Good Luck.

My friend was also diagnosed and has created a resource web site with recipes, articles, info, etc. Here is the web site: http://www.surefoodsliving.com/

Also see what is the underlying cause. There is something that suddenly make you celiac intolerant. My friend had it and another health issue. When the other health issue was fixed she suddenly was no longer gluten intolerant. The other health issue was causing it.

Also if you want gluten free skin care, makeup etc. visit www.upwithwellness.myarbonne.com

Gluten Free Toy for arts and crafts and for ages 3 to 100.
www.rockymountainsandcrafts.com

Whole Foods has some great Gluten Free items. Look up your local celiac disease chapter. There is usually a state wide chapter and there is a National Chapter.

Best wishes!

Try the gfcfdiet on yahoo and they also have a group for gfcf recipies too.

What about a graham cracker crust? Or try the health food store they might have some suggestions?

Hello H.,

I came across your request and I am awaiting test results that I could possibly have celiac disease. I went to the doctor because one day in the beginning of the year I had this terrible rectal pain. It went away but I still had many bowels movements sometimes even getting up in the middle of the night to go. I told my primary about it and she did a rectal exam and checked to see if there was any blood in my stool which there was not. I told her that since I just turned 50 I should schedule a colonoscopy just the same and she agreed. When I went for my consultation I told the doctor what was happening with me. He ordered the colonoscopy and some blood work. He called me before the colonoscopy and told me her was me to also have a gastroscopy because my blood work was high for celiac spue. I had no idea what that was. I had both tests and I am awaiting the results of them and a stool culture. I am just a bit concerned because he has reference me having diarrea several times and I have corrected him because I do not have diarrea I just have many bowels movements in a day. I told him that I was thinking that I am having gall bladder issues just because of some of the other symptoms I have. I am awaiting my follow up appt. to speak to him about testing on my gall bladder. I was wondering if you could tell me what your symptoms were that led you to the diagnosis.

Thank You and look forward to hearing from you.

C.

Hi H.,

You can try natural flavors like vanilla and cinnamon to the mixture of dough. Vanilla gives it the sweet taste that you are probably missing and the cinnamon gives it the perfect combination flavor of what a crust should taste like. I also put it in my pancake/waffle batter and other recipes. Try it and let me know if it works for you.
Good Luck,
S. Martin
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I have a gluten intolerance,have had symptoms for years but only was diagnosed about 6 months ago. My very best friend gave me a cook book for Christmas - "The gourmet guide for Gluten free living" I am sure there would be a pie crust recipe in there. I will let you know if I find one.
Also recently I made a chicken quiche and I used hash browns for the crust. Just butter your pie dish,thaw the hash browns and press it into the pie plate and pour the rest of the quiche ingredients on top, my whole family enjoyed it. I have a husband and 2 teenage boys.

Hi, lots and lots of recipes... Try Whole foods they cater to the gluten free world.. and have already made products..... M.

I have 2 daughters who are Celiac. I am terrible in the kitchen but my oldest duaghter just has a gift. Unfortunately for her, she has many food allergies (gluten, corn, and eggs, then dairy can only be done in moderation)So she has to be really creative.

Their is a series of books fro the Gluten Free Gourmet that can help a lot with bread s and dessert recipes.

Also, there is a company called Namaste- www.namastefoods.com
their products are a little spendy (someties I can find them cheaper in other places) so I don't buy them often, but for special occasions and treats I will indulge- their mixes are easy to make, free of all the major allergens and are very tasty.

For anyone out there with dietary issues, I suggest checking out Wildtree products. They are all natural, with no preservatives, additives, MSG or food dyes added & they are peanut-free! They are simple & easy to use products that generally use only 2-4 ingredients from your pantry to prepare fast & delicious meals. You can order online or at a home tasting party. I urge everyone to take a look at the website to learn more about the company & it's products or to contact me if you have any questions. www.R..MyWildtree.com THANKS & GOOD LUCK!

I, too, have had horrible times with pie crusts. They're either too mushy or too crumbly. I, however, really like the pie crust recipe from "Cooking Free." Our guests couldn't even tell it was not a regular crust.

Hello H.,
Thank you for your post - I have celiac too and your replies have given me alot of links to websites I didn't know of. There are alot of mentions of Bob's Red Mill. If you get his rice flour, on the back is a very good pie crust recipe. It is a little sweet - perfect for pumpkin pies etc - but if you want a quiche or something less sweet, just nix the sugar ingrediant. It's soo good, my in-laws couldn't tell the difference. Hope this helps.

The best cookbook I have found:
Gluten Free Baking by Rebecca Reilly
all recipes I have tried were delicious.

Tinyada brand rice pasta: good texture, doesn't fall apart like other rice products.

Looks like you have a lot of good ideas from all the reponses! I have been gf for about 10 years and there was NOTHING when I started. My how time has changed. My vote is for the Pamela's bread mix. She has alternative recipes on the bag and so far everyone is good. THe bread tastes like wheat and everyone who I have made/served it to loves it - gf or not.

Just a side note, if you are not aware, you may want to check out Dr. Fine's website www.enterolab.com and perhaps have your daughters tested by stool and saliva. If they were blood tested there is such a high false neg associated with that test. My husband was blood tested and neg, then stool tested and very positive along with high levels of malabsorption. Just an idea if you are worried about their health. The sooner off gluten the less health issues later. Email me if you have any questions. It does get better - just a lifestyle change.
C.

H.,

Would potatoe flour work for you?

Good luck H...I am in the same boat but my daughters are 3 and 13 mo and may get it. I was just newly diagnosed..and its been really hard. Have you tried the already made pie crusts from Whole Foods? They have the best bread I can find.
Take care,
A. H.

My fiance mentioned to me that he thought I might have Celiac. How did you find out that you had it? Did you go to a specialist or your regular doctor? I would really appreciate some information.

I would like to know the recipes you find out, I know they are hard to find. They are still testing my daughter for celiacs disease.
D. B.

In this book she has a an apple pie with crumb topping and a REALLY GOOD PIE CRUST- I only use 1/4 cup of granulated sugar in the pie filling. This is a great Crust......

Gluten-Free Baking Classics (Paperback)
by Annalise G. Roberts (Author), Peter H. R. Green

Hi H.,

I am new to mamasource and I love it. I have a friend that suffers with celiac disease as well. I will ask her about a pie crust. I was also able to help Kerry with her condition by referring her to isotonic alternatives. They are gluten free and already in a digestible form. Let me know if you would like more info. Will get back to you with the pie crust info.
take care.

H. there is a grocery store in Atlanta and Charleston etc.. called Whole Foods. You may have heard of the store as they are growing and carrying a lot of Gluten free products. Almost everything in their bakery is gluten free and it tastes wonderful. They might even have some recipies for pie crust on their website. Either way if you could find one of the stores you would be able to buy almost anything Gluten free.
M. C

I have been GF for 10 years. I avoid most baking mixes because they have a strange flavor. I recommend amaranth flour for softening baked goods. I've found that including some of the more expensive GF flours (amaranth and teff) in a mix with rice flour in recipes can really improve GF baked goods. I don't make pie crusts so I don't have any specific advice.

I recently discovered an AMAZING GF bakery in Kent http://www.haleyscorner.com/......this is not a hippy, specialty restaurant. They have eclairs, scones, cakes, pies, breads, and pizzas to order. Their prices are also amazing. Anyone would love this bakery, whether GF or not......a definite treat for people that are used to things tasting like a GF version rather than just a baked item. Their pies had checker-board crusts and looked beautiful and stable. Perhaps the owners would share their secret?