M.G. asks from Kyle, TX on March 28, 2010
Bullying That Has Crossed the Line.
My daughter has been the victim of bullying that has gone too far. For a while now, she has told me of a particular girl in our subdivision (this girl also goes to school with her), who yells ugly things at her and tries to intimidate her. I've been concerned, but not overly so, and have told my daughter to just avoid her when she can, and ignore her when she can't. However, my neighbor called me the other day to tell me that this girl and a group of her friends actually came to our house, knocked on our door, and tried to call my daughter out to fight. My daughter gets home before I do so she was there by herself. Fortunately, my neighbor was able to diffuse the situation. Afterwards, my daughter admitted to me that this girl has pushed her down and spit on her, and has slapped her in the face hard enough to knock her glasses off. When I asked her why she hadn't told me this before, she told me that she didn't think it was any big deal.
My question is, what can I or should I do about this? Obviously this is not a situation that will mend with time. I'm pretty sure I can find out where this girl lives, but I don't know how well received a visit to their doorstep will be. I'm not interested in punitive action, unless the situation escalates, but I do want my daughter to be able to go outside without fear of harassment. (In other words, I'd like to find a peaceful solution rather than having to involve the law, but I will if necessary.) As far as my daughter is concerned, we've already had a chat about self-respect, and I plan to put her in martial arts, both to teach her self-defense and to improve her self esteem. My real problem is what to do about this girl. The bullying appears limited to either in the neighborhood or on the school bus, rather than at school. Suggestions?
So What Happened?™
Well, as I had suspected, the story was not as clear-cut as was presented to me originally. I found this out when, just as I suspected it would, the situation escalated and the school called me, telling me that this girl had punched my child in the face.
But that's not the whole story...once I talked to the school, my child, and the other girl's mother, it turns out that my child had been doing her fair share of being ugly. For example, on a walk one day, my daughter had threatened to let our dog off the leash to attack the other child in her own lawn (the worst the dog would have done would be to lick her into a slobbery heap), and when the other girl's mother told my daughter to leave, she said several very rude/profane things to the mother. The mother also told me that her daughter had told her that mine had been the one doing the spitting, etc. It all came to a head when my daughter evidently made some VERY hateful comments to this girl at school, and the girl lost her temper (and knowing what my daughter said, I'm not surprised), and hit her.
Anyway, once learning the extent of my daughter's role in these goings-on, and after conversing with the other girl's mother about everything that had transpired, we decided that the best course of action would be to have the girls face each other and apologize. (The other mother was really nice, and her philosophy on things is very similar to mine.) Before they came over, I had a very serious chat with my child about the nature of the things that she had said to the other girl, and that bullying takes more than just a physical form, and how the things she was saying fell into that category. My daughter was truly remorseful, even cried a bit, and agreed that she had been completely inappropriate. When the other girl got there, I could see that she was in similar state. The girls very readily apologized to each other, and us moms made sure that they understood just how serious this all was. The girls agreed to end all hostilities and to be at least cordial, in school and in the neighborhood. My daughter (with my full support) also declined to file any charges...her comment was, "Mom, *I* was a jerk...why should she have to be the one to pay for that? I don't want her in trouble." I don't know that they will ever be buds (then again, who knows???), but I'm pretty certain everything is as OK as it can be between them now.
As for the school, I had sent an email to the principal (after posting my original question here) outlining my concerns that this was going to spill over into the school setting, and the response I got back was lackluster at best. She also basically shirked any responsibility for anything happening on the school bus. I also found out later that the other girl's mother had been trying to get in touch with the principal since the Monday before all this happened, and the principal never got around to calling her back until this incident occurred. Now they are wanting to basically throw the book at both girls, especially the other one. I'm not entirely sure what I'm going to do about that situation, but I am not happy at all with the school's handling of this. This is not the first time that I have felt as though my concerns went disregarded. It may be time to go to the school board.
Thanks to all of you who responded. It's so great to know that as mothers (and fathers), we have a place to go to get advice in a supportive environment. You are the best!
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D.P. answers from Pittsburgh on March 28, 2010
You're waiting for the situation "to escalate"? I'd be at the girls house YESTERDAY. She was knocked down and SPIT at.
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S.C. answers from Austin on March 29, 2010
This is a touchy one. First I would have a talk with the school about what happens on the bus. Then I would call the non emergency number for the police teen task force if you have one and ask them what you should do. A lot of times when you have a very aggressive child it is behavior learned at home. In very few cases are the parents unaware of the child's behavior.
You may find that the parents are very aggressive, maybe the child is being abused at home and her actions are stemming from that. Or maybe you have a budding psychopath in the mix.
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T.B. answers from New York on March 28, 2010
Your daughter was not just bullied...she was ASSAULTED!!! Go to the police station and file a compliant. They have to go to the child's family to investigate the complaint, sometimes they will ask you to go with them. This is an important teachable moment for your daughter. She is not to let anyone push her around--Verbally, emotionally, or physically!
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P.L. answers from Chicago on March 29, 2010
I am a public school teacher in an inner-city, low-income, violent neighborhood. I have done a lot of research on bullying behavior. As you know, bullying happens in ALL neighborhoods, socioecomic situations, etc. I advise you do a few things:
1. Know that it is NOT your fault. Know that you are a good mom and you are doing everything you should be doing.
2. Know that it is NOT your daughter's fault. It doesn't matter if she "did something to anger the little girl," your daughter does not deserve this.
3. Research this. PLEASE read the advice from professionals. Even though some of the actions posted here may have worked for them and the advice was given with good intentions, a lot of the advice given here would probably escalate the situation. Here are some links:
http://www.safeyouth.org/scripts/faq/bullying.asp
http://www.aacap.org/cs/root/facts_for_families/bullying
http://www.targetbully.com/default.php
http://www.life123.com/parenting/tweens-teens/bullying/st...
http://mentalhealth.samhsa.gov/15plus/aboutbullying.asp
4. Don't be afraid to involve the law. Some states have clear laws against bullying. However, bullying itself is not against the law in some states.
I am sorry your daughter is going through this. Everything you described here is very "typical" of bullies and the victims. Most victims don't tell adults and it isn't because they did something they are embarrassed of. It can effect your child's learning, self-esteem, and success in school and life. I am glad you are taking the situation seriously and I wish you the best of luck.
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J.T. answers from College Station on March 29, 2010
It seems as if this girl may be a seasoned bully. She knows she will not get away with it at school so she is not doing it there. But, the school bus is another story. You can report that to he school and they have to do something about it. The bus is an extension of the school.
Going to her house would be a bad idea. That would most likely make the situation for your daughter worse.
Does your daughter stand up to her in any way? It is really hard to do that when there are a group of girls. I think martial arts are a great idea. Make sure you tell the instructor what is going on. They will be able to help her deal with the situation.
Good Luck, and do not be afraid to call the cops.
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J.J. answers from Houston on March 29, 2010
M.,
I had this happen when my daughter was in elementary school. It is tough to handle. Part of the problem for my daughter was that the other girl was quite a bit larger than my daugher was.I followed the young girl (bully) home one afternoon. I was very nervous about approaching her parents; however, I explained what was going on to the Mother gently. I didn't want to get excited and cause her to be defensive. I was pleasantly surprised at how well she took it. She promised me that I would not have to worry about it again and I never did with that child. Try talking to the parents and see if that will help to resolve the problem. If it doesn't, I would not hesitate to involve the law. No child should be bullied by another child.
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K.F. answers from College Station on March 29, 2010
Ok, I have a piece to say about this. We went through this with my oldest. My boys are very small. Bad genetics for boys I understand, not their fault. The much larger same age girl down the street and her little "posse" decided to intimidate him (and he had my other kids with him which are 11, 9, and 5). They were chasing them around saying they were going to kick their asses and what not. Well, I did pay her mom a visit. No one wants to think that their child is a bully. But I took all 4 of my boys and my sister who was also visiting my (she is 13 too like my oldest) and we all put them on the spot. I had just one My oldest son, explain in detail what had happened and the rest of them backed him up and even described the other kids that were in the group (that had dissipated by then). Then this girl showed a completely different side. Tears came down her face. We took that as our exit and took all the kids out to dinner. After we returned a couple hours later, we had a knock at our door, a teary eyed tweenage girl with her father and mother and a very well thought out apology. They never messed with my kids again. I told her that next time if there ever was one I was going to deal with it myself. The father reasured me that it would never happen again and told me her punishment was severe. She got several lashes with a belt and was grounded from her friends indefinitely.
It never hurts to speak up. Find this bully's parents and have a chat. But don't go in with the guns blazing, go in hurt and unsure of future actions. Take your child with you and talk to the parent without the bully there and let her explain to the childs mother or father or both what she has been experiencing. If these parents are worth their weight, you and your child will recieve a very sincere apology. Now not all bully's are alike. But it worked for us. But our bully's parents cared and had no idea that their child was acting like that. Just give it a shot. If it doesn't work, notify the parents, bus driver, police (should it get bad enough to warrent a restraining order), principal, teachers, etc. Do what you feel is right for your situation to keep your child safe.
Good luck and do email me and let me know an update about what happened.
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K.M. answers from San Antonio on March 29, 2010
Since the bullying is happening on the school bus as well, you can involve the school. I'm a teacher and I know at my school, this case would be taken very seriously. Your daughter deserves to feel safe, so I wouldn't worry about stepping on any toes.
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D.P. answers from Pittsburgh on March 28, 2010
You're waiting for the situation "to escalate"? I'd be at the girls house YESTERDAY. She was knocked down and SPIT at.
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Y.K. answers from Austin on March 30, 2010
Once your daughter was physically assaulted this issue crossed the line to requiring police activity. I would first speak with the parents to let them know that their daughter had physically assaulted your daughter and you will not allow such activity to happen again. You should also follow up with the school and the police. Everyone needs to be on notice that this type of behavior is not acceptable.
What advice would you give your daughter if you found out her boyfriend had pushed her and slapped her in the face hard enough to knock her glasses off? What about your best friend who's husband pushed her and slapped her in the face hard enough to knock her glasses off? Just because this bully is a female, instead of a male, doesn't change the fact that you need to take swift and deliberate action to protect your daughter. She depends on you to protect her.
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